This is my new friend. He fell through a hole in my bathroom ceiling where the plumber was fixing the pipes (that he chewed). I named him Ryan the Rat.

And here is my pest control being a useless piece of shit and making friends with Ryan. Ryan seems to lack all sense of self-preservation.

I eventually caught Ryan by the tail with a thick pair of shorts and released his dumb ass outside. I'm sure he'll be back in the walls by tomorrow.

Ryan seems like a well-mannered young man - very cute.<br>Have a bump, and a little critter of my own.

Reminds me of this dumb fuck Robin fledgeling that fell down a hole that leads to my basement window and I had to grab him and put him on the ground while his mom was trying to kill me. He them promptly ran and got fell into one of the other holes that leads to the my basement windows. I fished him out and put him way further out and I haven't heard any birds chirping in my walls since so I think he's good.

>>4803025
If it weren't 2am I might have tossed Ryan into my carrier and gave him some food, but alas, I worked a closing shift tonight and I wasn't in the mood to feed a rat invader.

>>4803020
Look at that luxurious long tail!

>>4803017
Get rid of him for good or enjoy your disease

>>4803062
Oh come on. It's not the Middle Ages. What diseases is a rat in Central Florida going to carry? It wasn't rabid, it was acting too normal. I already have fleas in my house (thanks cats). What's it going to do, spit in my mouth and give me bubonic plague?

>>4803064
>What's it going to do, spit in my mouth and give me bubonic plague?
Don’t tempt them

>catfaggot home absolutely teeming with vermin
imafine my surprise

>>4803064
>What's it going to do, spit in my mouth and give me bubonic plague?
Yes. Plague is endemic to North America. Prairie dogs carry it, and as a result it is more than possible that any given rodent might as well. It's a wild animal, not a pet. If you want to trap it humanely, then do it. But do not just keep it around for the epic social media points.

>>4803122
Wouldn't you expect a cat home to not have any vermin?
>>4803123
I'll take my chances. You're a bitch.

>>4803127
>I'll take my chances. You're a bitch.
You're the one treating a wild animal improperly. This isn't a fancy rat, enjoy being bitten or scratched - especially when you sleep. Rats view sleeping humans as food.

>>4803017
Hey buddy, can you post more of Ryan?

>>4803127
>Wouldn't you expect a cat home to not have any vermin?
No, because cats don't catch pests, but do attract them.

>>4803017
Kino. Keep me updated on future Ryan developments if he doesn't leave or die.

>>4803020
We told you cats dont get rid of rats

>>4803127
The idea that cats get rid of vermin is part peasant “observation” (from the people that thought flies were spawned from aether) one part really shit science (one garbo study where a naive rat ran from cat piss).

The best any combination of animals can do to rats is make them spend less time scavenging at any given food source and make them hide more. And the funniest fucking thing, in the context of /an/ console wars, is you need to have a dog or your cat does literally nothing instead of just almost nothing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar<wbr>ticles/PMC5291527/

>>4803291
Cats will kill vermin that moves through their territory, they wont lead a crusade to locate and exterminate them. If they have the intelligence of a rat and a place to hide away it's obvious the vermin will survive.
My first floor apartment was roach free for years while my cat was alive, a few months after she died we got a roach problem. She would also hiss and scare away other cats and neighbours that passed close to the veranda

>>4803064
easy
leptospirosis bite, organ failure. Jeez

>>4803127
Natural selection periodically gets rid of people like you

>>4803122
>Cat hating tourist can't even type properly
Lmao

>>4803306
What most likely happened is the roaches started rushing around looking for food because they no longer had the predictability of the litterbox and her food dish. Roaches aren't instinctively afraid of cats, nor do cats actually keep roaches out, because the bugs typically live in walls and behind/under appliances and electrical boxes where cats can't get them.

Roaches are, however, very good at staying invisible, remembering where one specific food source is, and getting to and from that without being detected. When that food source is removed they start an automatic random search pattern.

In other words: You always had roaches, and they were mooching off your cat and living conveniently out of sight like they have evolved to for billions of years.

You can sort of do the same thing with mice - take away whatever they've been scavenging and they start showing up all over the place, but mice are a bit smarter so sometimes they simply leave in the direction of a higher probability of finding food.

>>4803306
Cats primarily kill weakened or stupid subadult rodents and injured/parasitized songbirds. In turn they spread the same parasites to humans via fecal matter. It's not effective pest control and you'd get rid of more rats with basic hygiene and common sense.

"Ratting cat" is an oxymoron like "personal protection husky".

>>4803122
a cat owner definitely fucked your mom

>>4803127
You’re playing with fire dude. This isn’t le friendly rattoid that rat people on this board go on about, it’s a wild rodent with a known reputation for disease. It’s droppings and waste can also make you sick
>>4803277
>but do attract them?
Source?
>>4803409
> injured/parasitized songbirds.
Source?

>>4803444
she wasn’t when she was with catchad ;)

>>4803447
catchad is pretty butch but please remember she was still born a woman

>>4803017
Is he jewish?

Looks like a rat.

>>4803242
>>4803285
I released Ryan outside. Tbh he's probably already back inside the building. But here's a bonus pic - Ryan's brother Marcus the Mouse dropped through the hole this morning. Here's his little tail as I was transporting him outside. The hole in my ceiling still isn't fixed so I might have more friends to post for "epic social media points" as some retard above said.

>>4803478
Ryan is NOT jewish. He didn't try to steal my wallet or clip any coins. He was mostly just interested in my countertop and my cat, and scared when I snatched him up.

>be cat person
>rodents rain from your ceilings
Clearly the cat invited them in and proved its goodwill by showing them its favorite book
“to serve rodents”

>>4803488
Nice digits
Rats are only raining from my ceiling because the dang condo association won't pay for an exterminator. Luckily I have experience handling small angry animals.

>>4803838
Honestly I wish I'd kept that rat. They could have been epic friends. Maybe he makes his way back into the building and I can catch him again. I won't make the same mistake twice, he's going in my cat carrier next time.

>>4803017
If I saw that thing in my house, it would be crucified within the hour.

>>4804059
And that's why you're not a true follower of Christ. All animal life is sacred, excepting those that we sacrifice for our proto-jewish rituals or whatever, I dunno.

>>4803020
small dogs like do a much better job ratting than cats

>>4803409
>cats don't eat bugs
retard of the year

>>4804081
Well I don't want a hyper-reliant second girlfriend in my house. I prefer cats.

>>4804059
Based.
>>4804081
Seems unlikely. Source?

>>4805012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pl<wbr>32vI-wik

my parents had a little terrier-looking mutt at their farm
the first time she saw a rat she pounced in at max speed and instantly killed it
no training nothing

then she received praise for it and realized she can turn in dead rats for treats and she became an absolute murder-machine

>>4805062
That’s a cool story but regarding that video Terriers were literally bred for killing cats. I was more so looking for proof that small dogs in general were capable of that across the board unless that’s not what you’re saying

>>4805097
I would assume that a chihuahua for example would react similarly, they are yappy chasey little things
same for most others

anyone know what rat this is? found on the battlefield on ukraine

>>4805221
 That's a dormouse.
 And there is no such thing as "ukraine". Just stolen Russian land.

>>4805270
dormouse don't have the "eyelash" like the black fur around the eyes on the webm and russian people came from ukraine. the term slav means slaves from kiev.

>>4805221
That's a shrew. Very cute. Probably disoriented from a CIA bullshit forever war.

>>4805284
>anon learns the concept of different species

>>4805270
>>4805286
Both hohols and vatniks need to go.

>>4803064
>bubonic plague
I got boobonic plague once. That's the version where you grow boobs everywhere. I had frontboobs and backboobs and overboobs and netherboobs (in fact, my netherboobs had netherboobs) and all manners of boobs but no boobies. I wanted a dancing, blue footed bird to grow on my armpit or something but no such luck.

>>4805660
> That's the version where you grow boobs everywhere
sounds like the transgender fantasy

>>4805270
>Just stolen Russian lan-ACK!!!!
Looks like the drone boys got another vatnigger!

>>4805702
lol
No, it was just part of some elaborate joke from back in school. The joke involved Cher, a Mormon girl who smelled like Cher, the ostrich this girl turned into, her slave Tony, a cherry coke commercial, hummus, Japansterdam, peanut butter, retarded half-cousins, 9/11, frittata as birth control, suicide by peanut butter, religious penguins, Gondwanaland and urinal cakes (horrid pastries that they are), among other things. Once you come down with boobonic plague, walking becomes impractical as your feet are now boobs so you must smoopwaddle instead, which makes sushi-lying and Episcopalian-farting very difficult.

I've never actually seen a rat in my life other than pets. I only started seeing mice around covid. Before then, I'd never seen one and I'm in my 30s.

>>4805916
Well cut a hole in your bathroom ceiling and one might "drop in" for a visit.

>>4805925
Putin himself said it had nothing to do with NATO though??

>>4806071
And if the shitbag says snow is white then he is lying about that, too.

You cannot trust anything he says up to and including that Ukraine is Russia's.

Everything I said still stands regardless of any sequences of sounds come out of him

>>4803064
Bathe your cats and use talstar on the exterior, never a flea again.

>>4805925
Nato didnt request those nations join, those nations requested to join since they didnt want to deal with Russia like Georgia and Ukraine do.

>>4805918
Funny you say that. Part of the basement ceiling caved in a few weeks ago due to a leak. No rats but, and this is likely unrelated, we've had moths and fruit flies in the house since.
Hole is patched up/ceiling fixed (did it myself!) and got a new roof (paid someone, I ain't doing that shit myself) so I doubt any rats will come in that way anytime soon.
>>4805925
You're fooling no one, Boris.


What is a hivemind like?

Anonymous

>>4803452
Like a fish in water. You probably don’t even realize it.

>>4803452
>humans are not a hivemind
refute this, you can't

>>4804154
We pick up on so many seemingly nonexistent cues from other humans that it's insane. When you amplity it even further with serotonergics it's so evident that a layman could mistake it for telepathy.

>>4805163
>We pick up on so many seemingly nonexistent cues from other humans that it's insane
true but that's not what I meant, I meant it as in how humans are just like [spoi]sheep[ler] or NPC's and basically are just autonomous robots. the way people don't think and just do is what I mean

>>4805163
>amplity it even further with serotonergics
what does this mean

>>4803452
Go to a big sports event like rugby before a match begins and wait for the anthems to start singing. You will notice that despite their size the crowd will sing almost in unison, and if you join in you will feel this sensation of being part of almost like a large body. A longing. Before you know it you are mimicing the rest of the crowds behavior emotionaly. This is an example of deindividuation or crowd conciousness. It is a natural psychological quirk ingrained into the human psyche and can be addictative. It was utilised heavily by facist and national socialist movements in their rallies like the Cathedral of Light, creating this deindividuation and a singular purpose or shared indentity.

>>4803452
Aphantasia, but with an unspoken group approval and participation.

>>4805203
Elaborate? This is dangerously close to 'I am the only free thinker in the entire world because I don't talk to anyone else' shit.

>>4803452
we are a hivemind compose of special cells, neurons.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar<wbr>ticles/PMC7305066/
>“split-brain” refers to patients in whom the corpus callosum has been cut

>>4805598
based Fascists tapping into the natural desire for belonging

>>4805655
All multicellular life is just varying complexities of siphonophores.


Cat issue, any advice?

Hey, this is my first post here. So basically, we have a cat named Moonlight, she's always been a bit solitary but has always been nice to the other cats. A few months ago, I moved into a place with a relative who has two more cats, making a total of 6 cats. (Well, one of them died, but we replaced him shortly after, but she was acting like this before that) <br>Again, Moonlight was mostly fine for the first few weeks. Then all of a sudden trouble starts. She starts to hide herself in corners of my room or under my computer table, whenever any of the other cats get close she gets extremely angry and often growls for multiple minutes until they get far enough away. This initially started with just her getting angry at one of the newer cats, but quickly extended to all of them. She also doesn't come upstairs, at all, and that's where the food is. I'm pretty sure she's lost a bit of weight because when I checked she was a bit lighter than usual. Not like dangerously, just a bit thinner, so I brought her down some food. I don't really know what to do. Should we just give her away to someone else? I feel like that would be a last resort. I also read about something called "Feliway" which can apparently calm anxious cats, but I don't know enough to really know for sure. She's about 8-9 years old, I think.

you could try feliway, or going to a vet and getting some actual anti-anxiety meds to help her gain some weight. though older cats tend to slim out anyways, it would be good to get her weight loss checked out. a total personality change is often a huge flag for concern, but seems like she got into a spat with a younger kitty and is now defensive. moving into a new household with so many cats can be super stressful, especially for a senior. again, id speak to a vet to make sure she's in good health & discuss anxiety meds or remedies if she's all healthy.

can you keep her in her own room? or does she still get upset if there's another cat at the door? unfortunately considering giving her away to someone where she'd be the only cat would be an option, but could also stress her out to the point of illness if she's been with you all 9 years of her life.

>put animal in a building with 5 other cats and a number of humans
>deprive it of fulfilling most if not all of its natural instincts
>feed it industrial pet food slop
>probably neutered it too
>all for your own pleasure
>"why is the animal acting weird?"

>>4802060
Poor Moonlight probably needs some space and solitude like an introvert would, but has been totally depleted of its will to put up with FIVE other cats bugging the shit out of her.
>Should we just give her away
wtf

just let her outside
>>4802112
>>4802586
this

ffs why don't people just stop at three cats?<br>even just one is trouble enough.

>>4803139
>just let her outside
But why? I mean we did have an inside/outside cat years ago before we had any of our current cats and while he did enjoy it over time he would stay out longer and longer and eventually just stopped coming back home. I think that's just kind of a thing that happens and since then we haven't let our cats outside at all. I'm sure he was happy out there, though. Plus you never know what can happen. Just letting a cat go outside to roam doesn't guarantee it will come home unless it's taken time to familiarize itself with the surroundings

>>4803175
>stopped coming back home
that means it hates its home unless you mean like for 1 day lol
1 day away is normal

>>4803178
Man this was years ago, probably like 5 or 6 at this point I dunno. But basically we had an orange cat named Garfield back then. When he was fairly young we had started letting him go outdoors sometimes. He did like us considering that he was always happy to see us. But as he got older he started to go outside for longer and longer periods and sometimes only return days later, until eventually he stopped returning altogether. I don't think he disliked us, I think he just liked being outside too much and felt happier out there.

>>4803178
No it means something ate it. Cats are prey. Anyone who lets them out is an idiot or hates them.

>>4803259
>cat went out to get milk and never returned
anon I hate to break it to you but either someone snatched your cat or he had an accident...

>>4803139
>just let her outside
euthanasia is more humane

>>4803279
Naw man cats enjoy fearing for their lives, getting sick, and becoming dog poop in the most painful and prolonged way possible. It’s natural so it must be good and they wouldn’t beg to be let out otherwise.

Then again maybe they just want to murder songbirds and attack other cats?

>>4802060
You can't just force cats to live together. They are typically not social with each other unless they grow up together. One of the other cats probably bullied her away from her food. Feed her separately away from the other cats.
>>4803175
>>4803259
Female cats don't roam nearly as much as male cats, but cats will always come back to where there's food. Somebody probably stole your cat or he got all of his nine lives taken off the census by something.

>>4803178
Nah even 1 day is pretty long. Mine usually go out to stretch their legs for a few hours then are back to eat and drink and sleep.
>>4803259
Sad to say it but he likely died. Had something happen with the brother of my current oldest. Almost 10 years later and we still don’t know what happened but probably the same

>>4803159
they’re only trouble if you don’t reach them right

Cat update: Haven't changed anything but she does seem to be calming down a bit, getting closer to some of the other cats she's more familiar with and going upstairs more, often leaving her spot. This is a positive change :)


>be on vacation with mom as little kid
>me: is that a duck?
>mom: I think it's just a bird. It doesn't have webbed feet
>bird actually lifts one foot flamingo-style and looks at it

Actually weirds me out thinking about that.

Thank you bird feet awareness anon for brining joy on this day

>>4662152
I thought a lot about the utahraptor foot today, time to print myself the sticker.

>>4663145
Cassowaries have nice feet. I don't like Ostriches feet.

I have to trim my parrot's nails but she always bites me when I do and makes me feel bad about toweling her. I dread thinking of the parrot foot

>>4663146
It's very cool, Bateman, but that's nothing...

Look at that subtle colouring. The tasteful thickness.<br>Oh my God. It even has a water droplet

>>4662304
And I'm a tits guy, nice to meet you !

>>4661807
should've posted this around Halloween

>>4663295
This bird looks like it has a taste for young flesh and ill gotten riches.

parrot feet and vulture feet are similar tbqh

>>4663201
Ever tried training her to willingly allow a trim like this vid?https://youtu.be/ZM1tqXw3Aq0
That highfive trick is like a magical gateway to build on for learning stuff.
There are some good resources out there for desensitizing skittish dogs to having their feet manhandled for nail trims that’ll work well for parrots too.

If she already fucking loathes the sight of nail clippers, would getting her used to a handfile instead, or an electric dremel with a safety cover, be novel enough to work better for you?

Feet (A) Goshawk, (B) Red-tailed hawk, (C) Peregrine falcon, (D) Great grey owl, (E) Osprey.jpg

>>4665620
i want a job by those tbqh
>but razo-
dont care

>>4663389
Thanks for the bideo anon, I will look into that trick. I've tried many different tools but she's a rescue and is very afraid of a lot of different shapes. Picks up shit quick though so I think the highfive and some desensitizing training is the way to go.

Screenshot 2023-11-15 at 16-26-18 https __external-preview.redd.it_8eE8sBSBQpg4X64xjswh7hXsLX1RR_dRlDOaf9hty64.jpg auto webp&s 3d051cda7d8ffb9ff985c95165f394dd430e4c9b.png

>>4663333
nah, parrot feet are 2x2, vultures are 1x3

>>4673331
So, those are the feet of the last remaining terror bird.

At least one nigga busted a nut to this thread

anyone actually bust a nut to real bird feet?

>>4680417
No, you're the only one to do that.

>>4661807
I don't necessarily think about bird feet but I think of the word "zygodactyl" sometimes. What a great fucking word that is.

>>4662304
Holy hell look at that bounce lighting!
you could make a cornell box outta those stompers

>>4680417
The claws are nice, but I don't consider myself a foot fag.

>>4689568
>I don't consider myself a foot fag.
Because you're a talon fag. (And that's great!)

This is the last thing a shitty little vole sees after it peers out from its shitty little hole in the ground.

>>4689622
Can I invite him to my place to catch the mice?

>>4661807
I don't remember making this thread

>>4708154
My bad, I didn't know this guy existed too. He looks nice, I like him.

Screenshot 2023-10-09 at 13-18-08 https __preview.redd.it_g1o4x9ne50q71.jpg width 1080&crop smart&auto webp&s ba726c86ba2ed8c5d165074513b10d1dd4cfde70.png

>>4662089
>implying the birds can't hear you
lmao
they just often prefer to ignore it, but they can definitely understand most languages.

>>4661807
>>>>>>>>>>>80 day old thread
You people are really dedicated to thinking about avian feet

>>4717831
What a strange texture, I wonder what it feels like.

Which are better<br>Lobed feet or webbed feet?

The Albatrosses, along with the Swans, are one of the very few Birds that will carry their legs and feet above the tail

>>4756161
They're as blue as my big, beautiful balls.

>>4688023
Thick legs and webbed feet that can grasp a railing : What kind of seabird is that ? Some swan or goose ?

>>4757381
Great White Pelican.
Pelecanus onocrotalus.

>>4762235
i wish that branch was my shoulder

>>4762409
It was for me often with a Harris Hawk.

I don't know anything about bird feet. Is this an eagle or a hawk? All I know is that the guy who had it came from the Turtle Mountain tribe, so I think it's a young eagle maybe since it's so small.

>>4717996
>Lady Deathstrike if she a birb

At least 1 total wierdo [spoiler](other than me)[/spoiler] lurking ITT is fapping to all those t*l*ns RN

>>4774602
dont be ridiculous, no one jerks off to t*lons

Screenshot 2024-04-21 at 00-35-41 african-jacana.jpg (WEBP Image 1200 × 900 pixels) — Scaled (58_).png

Great White Pelican<br>Pelecanus onocrotalus

>>4662304
what's the evolutionary advantage of having oddly colored feet?


When it comes to cat simulators, there are such acclaimed gems as Stray and Little Kitty Big City. What do dogs have? That's right, nothing. It's because dogoloids are profoundly worthless people who love to boss others around, but aren't capable of anything worthwhile themselves. L.

>>4801345
Because an accurate dog simulator would likely involve eating 1-2 roaming cats a day, killing some libturds let alpaca for sustenance, and destroying a chicken farm.

We let cats roam because their freedom is meaningless. They were born submissive to our will.
Dogs are competitors when they are not friends.

just stay on /v/ with the rest of the redditors, there's nothing for you here

>>4801356
>so low-T that a dog is considered competition
ngmi

How will I continue to live without some goyslop dog video toy for children?

>>4801345
Dog movies have always been highly successful and culturally relevant pieces of art. Cat movies? Nope. Nothing.

>>4801345
we just love our falseflag console war threads don’t we folx

>>4801374
Dogoloids wish there was a single dog movie one percent as good as The Last Wish

may not be many dog simulators but theres probably more dogs in games than mangey cats

>>4801378
You need to be over 18 to post here

>>4801369
Without advanced technology, with man reduced to a spear chucking caveman, wild dogs are a legitimate competitive threat to humanity. The reason they've persisted for over 40,000 years is because this is the only way apex canines and apex primates can coexist, otherwise one of them has to annihilate the other. And as you can guess, together with dogs, we've annihilated most of the wolves on the planet, neanderthal style. It just so happens that joining forces with another apex predator makes us OP because our senses are dogshit and we're more skittish and afraid of being injured (humans are among the slowest healing animals and can lose limbs to popped zits, while dogs can recover from major fleshwounds without aid)
>neanderwolves: but i am larger and more robust, i am based and trad, my brain is even bi-ACK
>heckin reddit doggo: grug have slightly better social skill and more friend hehehehe

So yeah a dog simulator would be a tragic horror story. Just imagine an actual cro magnon man, transported to the modern day, freaking the fuck out, being paranoid and violent like he naturally would. Killing pets and livestock for food, attacking people who walk towards him too quickly. There's a moment where someone shows him kindness and he recognizes it, but the illusion is broken when a group of modern males pursue him making loud noises so he runs, hides, and flanks them with an attack. They catch him and put him in a cage. Then he's killed and his body used for science.

Now replace the caveman freaking the fuck out with a stray dog, same thing

dog chads we cant stop winning<br>catcels on suicide watch

>>4801388
>>4801382
Legit makes sense because of the unique ways a typical "dog person" and a typical "cat person" approach their pets

"Dog people" by default view their pets as wholly separate from themselves and more like a buddy, a separate part of their life. A dog is interacted with and shows their own will to power to confirm that they are in fact an individual. Dog people have, since the beginning of time, seen dogs as individuals. Dog people also don't like ALL dogs, they like THEIR dog and their friends dog, like no one likes ALL humans unless they are a deranged liberal that would make excuses for hitler if they weren't told not to by The Experts.

"Cat people" by default ARE their cat. Their ego is tied up in their cat. Hence why the trademark of a cat person is that they dislike dogs (they prey on cats) and believe cats have at least one magical or superior quality, often secretly related to the cat persons own self image. Rather than being another person the cat is an ideal, an ubermensch - although in practical reality it is a horrendously dumb animal - that's just how cat people tend to view them. The cat is "the familiar", a magical container, a symbol, its owner has placed part of their own soul inside.

Therefore, when a dog is in a video game, it is a separate character you interact with, and can be an ally or the enemy. Separate dogs can fill each role.
When a cat is in a video game, it is the player's self insert, and it is always the hero.

That's just how dog people and cat people expect it to be.

>>4801386
Humans had already begun driving some megafauna species to extinction prior to the domestication of the dog. Dogs definitely helped speed things up, but I think we still would have been alright without them. There were also many parts of the planet without wolves that humans ended up inhabiting so no competition there.

>because our senses are dogshit
I feel like this sentiment gets overblown on this board. The raw data we gather from senses like hearing or smell isn't as robust as a dog, but our intelligence allows us to combine and interpret limited data better than other animals. Plus our vision is actually really good for a non-avian predator, better than felines or canines in all areas but night vision.

>>4801460
>>4801506
Those look aggressively bad

>>4801762
WolfQuest is a 10/10 on Steam.

In the 90s there was P.A.W.S. for Windows 3.x.

>>4801345
Cats lost round one of /an/lympics while dogs are still going strong in round two.

>>4801391
Why did you waste time typing out this schizo wall of text based on shallow observations and generalizations

>>4802384
Dogfags are incredibly insecure, why else would they buy an animal used for defence?

>>4802384
Dogfags are incredibly intelligent and observant of general social trends as dog ownership trains them to be, or else they would be incapable of managing a pet with the intelligence of a small primate. These shallow observations insult you, but they are effective.

Cat people on the other hand are >>4802408 what they say dog people are. Most aggression in the "console war" is from cat people. Cat people famously wrote and worship numerous essay length insults against dog people, such as hp lovecrafts "cats and dogs". Because, again, although those observations appear shallow and may be insulting, they are overwhelmingly accurate and functional. The dog is necessarily an inferior because the dog person views them as separate and thus they are rationally, an inferior. The cat is an equal because the cat person projects themselves onto the cat and they are thus an equal with their own avatar.

just observe how quickly you will be accused of hating cats... say, you speak this
>cats belong inside. they are just an animal they do not know the difference. you are just shortening the lifespan by letting them out. keep them occupied indoors.
This does not insult the cat, it is a simple observation.. but it does insult the cat person because they project so much of their ego onto the cat that they have also assigned it their wanderlust and dissatisfaction with orderly society. So, the cat person says in response, with a wounded ego, "why do you hate cats so much you FAGGOT dogFUCKER!? CAT WEBSITE GO BACK"

>>4802418
Is this is intended as a parody, 10/10

>>4802408
>an animal used for *defense
Most dogs are incompetent as guards and only make a surprised noise if they notice someone coming towards the house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP4<wbr>9ZCEQEFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL_<wbr>-iJHB3o0

>"defence"
Of course a bongoloid is a dog hating cat worshiper. You fags have a weird sort of cat religion over there where you believe the cats somehow saved you from the plague despite academic observations revealing cats have no effect on rat populations. I've seen screenshots of terms from british cat rescues where they require that the cats be allowed to roam, and brits apparently have laws protecting roaming cats to the point that they will put down a dog for eating a cat but not a rabbit or a fox despite the ethical equivalency - as the british do not believe their cat is an invasive, trespassing pest and everyone is obligated to love cats to the point that any offence against a cat should be considered as if it were an offence against a person. Odd coming from people that believe tearing apart live badgers and foxes is a sporting activity!

Truly, there are
"people with cats" (normal, rational, exactly like everyone else)
And then there are
"cat people" (feline worship cult)

>>4802424
>is this is? this is this? this this that? duhhhhh number slash number
nigga got hit with thoughts so profound he had a stroke and threw an error code

>>4802427
Quite based. Britain also has the office of cat in chief, and the current one has survived five PM's and two monarchs while having a higher public approval rating than any of them.

>>4802432
>kwoyt based innit
>brittin also as the office o the cat in chief
>current ones survived five prime ministahs an two queens
>love me that bugger

>>4802432
Cancer
Imagine being britsh and living there
Its like some sad, cat infested, parody of itself

>>4802435
>Dayum nigga whats wit dem cat faggot foos bein all dumb n shit, animals an animal cat aint no diffent from a fox no way no how shit dog if you want your cat alive dont let it hop the fence onto mah fuckin property homeboy got fuckin damn dont want no cat turds in my corn patch son ya hear my pittie will eat it my wifes husky will eat it my son been shootin cats to keep his classmates n shit outta the crosshairs boy we all gon git it ,git yer cat on yer sidea the fance damn nigga DAMN no cap aint no tolerance for this NAP transgression nigga vote trump fuck islam hope israel wins and kills all them jordanian terrorists now. fuckin muslims hate my fuckin dog and like cats i aint got shit for that shit fuckin shit damn nigga read your jesus shit.

>>4802437
Nothing cat-infested can ever be sad.

>>4802442
Biden also has a cat btw. Cat chads run this planet.

>>4802452
Biden is more of a dog person but sucks at it
Trump hates all animals
We need to retvrn to obama

>>4802442
Authentic dallas-fort worth dixiebabble

>>4802442
Shockingly accurate, this is how american dogfags actually talk

>>4802474
This is just a map of womens liberation and urbanization = multiple cats per home and poor education = 5 pitbulls in the backyard

In the end the own is actually on cats. Pets for useless childless faggots. Dogs as always are more of a social stratification thing than a social decay thing.
Cats ALWAYS = decay, child replacements
But dogs are ALWAYS a question of which where why how and how many. The dog person bell curve dares to widen in all directions. The cat person bell curve is tall and narrow - perfectly inoffensive - stagnant - useless. Dogs find themselves among physicists and day laborers alike whilst cats consistently accompany poets and authors - inoffensive and useless.

Large minds (dog people) will get this. Small minds (cat bugmen) will short circuit and fall back on meme-babble.

>>4802499
dangerously true desu
it takes more bravery to be a dog person because your associations run from the bottom of society to the to top. falter at all and be a stereotype in the eyes of a passive aggressive cat fan even if you are perfectly average. meanwhile the average cat fan is some midwit who wrote a shitty novel and called themselves intellectual for it.

>>4802499
How come the poorest states are all dog-dominated, buddy? Dog is definitely a social stratification pet. If you get one, you get knocked off the ladder.

>>4802510
Why are you asking a question I already answered in the first few sentences? Clearly this has more to do with womens lib, childless urbanites, and proximity to racial diversity than anything else. The cat is a binary, the dog is an open ended question.

>>4802510
look at a racial demographics map and realize the poor useless people in the south might need a little more from their child replacement than two big eyes and a high pitched noise. meanwhile the useless and poor coasties who live paycheck to paycheck even on an inflated wage for a “social media managers associate” need to cram as many substitute babies into their apartment as possible and nothing else.

the master class of man keeps a single dog and never something so useless, inflexible and dirty as a cat

>>4802510
You already got your answer
Untermensch = several dogs or several cats, depending on severity of the decay of the family unit (cats lean more towards antinatalism and spiritual poverty, dogs lean more towards fiscal poverty)
Ubermensch = single pet

Owning more than one pet per household is generally subhuman behavior.

>>4802432
Based Brit’s
>>4802447
That would be america
>>4802457
>obama
Gross

>>4802526
> Owning more than one pet per household is generally subhuman behavior.
That’s quite the statement. Most people own more than one pet if they own any at all.

>>4802510
>>4802499
This exchange demonstrates a major difference between Dog Person Thought and Cat Person Thought

The t person is more shallow and sees a contest where they hope to best those god damn dog people. On average, on average.... VICTORY! Indeed the cat-type does love their averages. The cat person's mind instantly orients to how they could dislike dogs and dog owners, and justify that, and they need an average to do so. Their ego depends on the supremacy of the cat and therefore themselves as their ego is the cat itself.

The dog person starts thinking about it in terms of the socio-economic situation of the average person who owns multiple pets, asking multiple qestions, delving deeper and deeper into the possible implications of a simple statistic. The dog person alone will grow as a person and mature to this point:
"Your data is insufficient to make any conclusions"

The dog person is primed to adopt this approach by the diversity of dogs - the engram of superficial similarity and deep currents of diversity is already impressed upon their brain. The longer they stay a dog person, the more The Details become their god.
>Which breeder which bloodline how socialized when by who how which training method aversives or no how severe details please DETAILS!
The engram of uniformity is impressed upon the cat person's brain by their adoration for a uniform animal. The longer they state a cat person, the more The Average becomes their god.
>a cat IS JUST A CAT because cats are cats THATS IT!

This is why the IQ bell curve of dog people seems to be a great U. A world rich in details enriches great minds and numbs small ones.

>>4802530
Statistically exactly half of humanity is "subhuman", and up to 90% could be called sub-midwit.

>>4802543
Dumb image
>samuel clemens
Notorious dog person
>schrodinger
Dog person

I like the one where all the cat people are well dressed, clearly urban homosexuals better

>>4802543
As a bird person this hits nail after nail

Cat people took “brevity is the soul of wit” the wrong way
Dog people span from janitor to lab tech to head researcher and they all ask too many damn questions and try too hard

Dont hire dog people unless you want half to quit, half to try and get promoted over you, and half of the latter half to call the feds on your business

>>4802574
so did hitler. you’re not a nazi, are you?

>>4802427
your posting style is so fucking retarded, and you repeat the same schizophrenic garbage over and over again. this is not the first time you seethe about bongs either. i hope some pitbull will rip out your neck soon, so you'll stop polluting this board with your mind numbingly retarded schizo walls of text

>>4802671
ok but hes right

cat worshipers are fucking cancer
>NOOO CATS ARE APEX PREDATORS AND SMARTER THAN DOGS AND CLEAN AND THEY NEVER NEED PICKED UP AFTER!
fucking retards. your outdoor cat is a PEST. i WILL kill it before it shits in my garden again.

>>4802697
he’s not right, nobody says that and you’re not going to do shit, faggot

>>4802994
hes right. cat worship is a real problem.

see: TNR.
dog people would never.

>>4802474
Holy shit there are places with more cats than dogs????

>>4801345
So is it decent to kill some time with? I heard the cat's jumps are pretty shit in favour of some BotW-like climbing mechanic to get to higher places, and something about being a cat that can jump 3 feet just sounds kinda lame lel.

>>4801384
Not that anon and technically, yeah you're right, but you can unlock playing as a white version of the canine warriors on a new file after beating the game and meeting certain requirements. IIRC there's a shiba inu, spitz, boxer, tosa and pointer, and you can switch freely between all the appearances you've collected. I know it's not perfect but fuck it, I love Okami.

>>4803521
That’s pretty cool. I should give it a replay myself sometime

>>4801356
I snapped a stray kitty's neck to mercy kill it after I kicked it so hard it struggled to move and started squealing and hissing. I didn't read your post past "1-2 cats" by the way

>>4801345
genuinely feel sorry for anyone who didnt play 101 dalmatians on the ps1 as a kid

>>4801356
>T. doesn't have friendly dogs

>>4804592
because of the king? I would've chosen yoshi's island if I picked a Mario game

>>4804592
That's a tanuki. They fly with their giant ball sack.

>>4804585
Has never been playable, which is a shame. Better him than that useless fuck Roll.

>>4802418
this dumb cunt really thinks outdoor cat tards are the only cat owners that exist. that anecdote kinda looks like this:
"tell a dog owner not to keep their dog chained up outside in all hours and all weathers with no interaction besides MAYBE feeding and watering and they'll call you a fascist trying to control their property."
yeah, that's how retarded you sound.

>>4804798
>>4804879
NTA but there is a dog in the game

>>4801356
Coyote sim sounds pretty rad. When's the release date?

>>4801506
Why does her face look like it belongs on the sharty?


It's more like a cow feeds three obese people, leftovers are thrown out, and starving people trying to reach the dumpster to eat scraps are gassed.

>>4804125
The vegans should look half-way between the healthy meat eater and the skellingtons

>>4804125
Grass is inedible. Cow meat is edible. Cows turn worthless grass into food.

Yeah because those other people would be eating the inedible parts of the crop that the cows eat like the stalk, right?

>>4804133
>>4804136
Cows eat basedbean meal.

>>4804140
Why is the word S O Y filtered?

>>4804140
>>4804141
But the plant in the image is obviously wheat so what is your point?

>>4804143
Humans do eat it but most of it is fed to livestock.

>>4804125
One cow for one man? My nigga getting ready for bulking season

>>4804141
because sóynigger reddit mods are assblasted about a word
(for this board) imagine them filtering the words toxo or dogfucker or anything along those lines. just imagine them trying to make the site better to use, could not be me

>>4804141
that one slur really annoyed them above all others. You can guess why.

>>4804129
Good thing the cows turn the crops to fertilizer too.
It is almost like this system was formed around herbivores eating plants and then predetors eating them.

>>4804125
Vegans don't even understand their own points anymore.
This is either implying that cows somehow provide less nutrition than the food we give them, which is just false, period. Learn biology.
Or it is implying that meat is too expensive for the poor, which has slightly more ground, but still not much, chicken and white fish (ironically, some of the healthiest meats) are almost as cheap as vegetables, and are certainly cheaper than the insane dietary gymnastics you need to perform to go vegan and not turn into a malnourished ghoul.

>>4804125
Animals have been and still are the biggest oppressed group of sentient beings in history. It is not wrong to use the word "holocaust" in describing what we do to them.
One doesn't have to like animals to understand that their exploitation is a crime.
Become animal activists, anons.

hi,where do you guys find the best and most trustworthy scientific papers on animals??

>>4804201
>implying that cows somehow provide less nutrition than the food we give them, which is just false, period. Learn biology.
Are you stupid? Every subsequent link a food chain consumes more energy because everything in that chain has other life functions. You put 15 million calories into a cow you get maybe 500k out of one. Not even a vegan but Jesus you have to be dense as shit to not see that it's a lossy compression.

My question is how do you make a cow into a riceball? What is the smaller bread? How do you make yogurt without a cow?

>>4804217
>How do you make yogurt without a cow?
i think it's supposed to be oatmeal

>>4804217
Anon, I want you to go outside and grab a handful of grass and shove it into your drooling, shit stained mouth, chew it, and swallow. Now do this repeatedly for a few weeks, if you're a normal human, and not a bovine with a multichambered stomach, you will die, because humans are generalist omnivores, not ruminant herbivores.
Now I will grant you this: if we are assuming that these cows eat nothing that isn't human-grade food, you would be right. And honestly, I don't know enough about agriculture to verify this, so if I'm a retard, then so be it, but from a biological perspective, no, there is only nutrition to be gained.
This is why predation is a thing in the first place.

You stick to eating like medieval peasants if you want, I'll just enjoy my succulent beef

>>4804125
>he thinks we feed cows the human-edible grain

>>4804140
The meal that goes to become animal feed (whether it be s o y, wheat, bean, oat, etc) is always low-quality crop that is considered too low-quality for human consumption, and/or the stalks, the chaff and the stuff humans don't eat anyway.

>>4804227
Who gives a shit you incoherent retard? Your statement was wrong. That's why I replied. It has nothing to do with access to other food sources or the 1:88+ predator to prey mass ratio or how that differs in omnivores or how none of this applies to commercial agriculture.

>>4804238
I feel like you're trolling at this point, but I'll bite, the whole "lossy" conversion you mentioned is invalid because humans cannot digest fucking grass and plant roughage. Sure, in terms of pure numbers, there is of course energy lost in converting grass to cow meat, but when it comes to practicality as us humans, there is only energy to gain.
If you can't understand it at this point, there's no easier way I can break down this very simple information.

>>4804248
I do not care. The statement you made was wrong. Your attempts to correct for it or change/add context do not matter to me. It was a offensively stupid post that is all.

>>4804217
The difference is that you would have to consume an insane amount of the shit we give cows to get the same 600 cals you would from eating one steak.

>>4804248
well they could, theyd just have to eat their own shit afterwards
>>4804217
youre really fucking stupid the calories given to cattle are calories humans CAN NOT ACCESS, just like we do with pigs, chicken, and some fishes, and i guess crabs and shrimp too, and what do you know, these are all animals that eat GARBAGE, things we cannot digest, thats literally the whole point of animal husbandry, converting garbage into usable food

>>4804140
YOUR cows do. I eat grass fed.

Vegans ride cock. Yes. All vegans. No exceptions
ALL vegans are malnourished
ALL vegans are either intellectually dishonest narcissists, wannabe religious nutjobs, or legitimately dangerous antihumam psychos

Just eat a grass fed steak and be normal.

Reminder vegans focus on cows because they have no point

They say “the meat industry” with massive incorrect generalizations because they have no point

There is NO RATIONAL REASON TO BE VEGAN
The rationality is a facade that doesnt hold up. Veganism is a religion. Its also called jainism, with the hard parts like not being a compulsively masturbating drug addicted consoomer, cut out.

t. feeds chickens grass clippings and kitchen scraps

>>4804264
>I eat grass fed.
Get your point but all beef cattle are fed supplementary feed when kept inside during the winter.

>>4804268
>he farms cattle where there is a winter too harsh for them to live through
Just get chickens they’re cheaper

>another screeching over vegans thread
see you at the bump limit

>>4804266
Can chickens actually get considerable nutrients from grass? I always assumed they needed to eat soft shoots, seeds, bugs, etc. Shit with more readily available nutrients.

>>4804271
They can live fine, it's for pasture health. A wet winter plus a whole herd of cattle will render any field a muddy mess in a month, and unless you have 5+ fields of at least 50 acres containing high-quality grass to spread your herds out across 3-4 months of winter, its better for your pasture, and your cows feet, to keep them inside.
Unless your beef is US ranched beef (not purely grass-fed anyway) then your beef is kept inside in the winter. That's not a bad thing by the way.

>>4804266
Correct. They are religious nuts who play pretend intellectual to satisfy their narcissism.

>>4804266
The point is ending animal abuse

>>4804327
>the point is [i am a pseudo religious nut who ascribes excessive moral value to all animals but i am in fact a virtue signaling coward who is afraid to justify his arbitrary morals by adhering to a real religion]
With no god above only man and man’s has moral value, by the order of natural selection
You must be vegan for religious reasons or you only have an opinion not a moral position
There is no such thing as morality without religion. Only natural selection.

>>4804336
True. No god to say otherwise = its a simple fact that i am maximally fit by eating meat. I will live longer and stay in peak condition for longer with less effort and be more robust in any climate and any economy.

One shipping halt and vegans outside of self sustaining jain temples and subtropical hippy communes either stop being vegan or starve

Vegans MUST justify their position with a religion that gives animals spiritual value. Without that they are just resources my species uses. Chickens are food. Dogs are second class citizens.

next they’ll say just eat dirt directly, the whole point is outsourcing my calorie production, i don’t care if it’s 1 level of outsourcing or 2

>>4804125
Pyramid is more stable than a pillar.
/thread

>>4804348
Eating dirt? That's so unethical, think of all the microorganisms that could eat that dirt, you're basically letting all of them starve! You should be getting all of your nutrients directly from the sun.

>>4804125
Veganism is just a diet choice that is based purely on personal preference and emotions regarding the concept of eating animals and animal products. If the idea of eating animals and animal products upsets you and makes you feel icky, you can go vegan. Assuming you live in the west you're privileged enough that you can make that choice.
But to pretend that veganism is objectively the most moral position to take is incorrect, to put it bluntly, by every measure.
>If everyone went vegan-
Not everyone can go vegan. Some people have allergies and natural deficiencies that force them to rely on animal products to get everything they need to be healthy. Not to mention that there are entire communities across the world that rely on animal products just to survive and there is absolutely 0 way you could ever get them to stop.
>Ok well not them- but if everyone in the west who hasn't got allergies went vegan then-!
Then what? Animal agriculture would still exist to support the people who couldn't so what's the point?
The issue is the overconsumption of meat, from an animal welfare perspective, an environmentalist perspective as well as a health perspective. The healthiest way to live is to limit meat consumption to a few times a week, and buy locally.
But vegans are such insane narcissists that there isn't an in-between for them, there CAN'T be because then everything they've sacrificed and all the people they pissed off was all for nothing. So they keep pushing and keep lying and keep coping and all they're doing is pissing off more and more people.

>>4804266
But your image does agree that cows are inefficient compared to other potential sources of meat. So even if you're not vegan you should be able to come to a consensus on that and look for alternative livestock to feed humanity. only obstacle is traditionalist retards who can't accept change.

>>4804268
This is another thread where Americans think the whole world has their insane fucked food system, cows in the winter eat dried grass here, and are mostly raised on marginal land which cannot support agriculture

>>4804125
If its for food then that is a reason...

>>4804429
>cows are inefficient compared to other potential sources of meat.
Not that anon, but not really. Cows are very efficient at turning inedible food and land into tasty, nutritious and calorically dense meat and milk.

>>4804436
That's the same here as well. As it is in most other western countries. Dried grass (hay) is a supplemental feed, and no farmer on earth would sacrifice arable land for cows.

>>4804125
I would rather become a skeleton than a Chinaman.
Verification not required.

>>4804445
Literally every single thing cows can live on is also digestible to more efficient livestock. There's no actual reason to farm them - they are a luxury product, not a staple. People eat them because cattle have historically been one of the currencies of nobility and they feel manlier and more successful with steak on their plate. Way back when, a single bovine represented years of hard labor or a single great feast so the cow was a meaningful symbol.

However, the meat itself does not confer great abilities - it actually makes you less healthy and less functional than eating predominantly white meats.

>>4804125
1 healthy person vs 3 malnourished slaves only fit for menial single purpose labor

Society already figured this out back when peasants were fed gruel and nobles owned and ate from game preserves. Plant foods are foods for livestock. Including human livestock. It was basically innate knowledge, even then, that meat is required for optimum brain function and no amount of supplemental shit can make you anything but a slave caste "human" on a plant based diet. Your brain will always be missing crucial nutrients. Your reasoning abilities will always be impaired. Vegans will always be more prone to crippling mental illness than normal people eating a healthy omnivorous diet ie: mediterranean standard.

>>4804125
crop fields kill uncountable animals, why the double standards? the lack of b12 in vegans makes them retarded

>>4804202
animals we eat were created for the sole purpose of feeding us

>>4804476
What “worldwide” does isnt inherent to eating meat. You say eat grass fed not starve. But vegans are too b12 deficient for reason. You are a slave race.

>>4804144
That's because most of the harvested crop is waste product. Chaff, stalk, etc. The shit humans can't eat. Furthermore, not every harvest is made equal, and sometimes the actual crop itself is just shit quality for reasons outside of the farmers control, making it unsuitable for human consumption.
Reducing livestock would not end this issue. In fact, more crops would have to be planted to make up for the gap in our diets.

>>4804477
What does this reply even mean? I don’t see a coherent argument here.

>>4804455
>There's no actual reason to farm them - they are a luxury product, not a staple.
There are still reasons to farm cows. Cows milk has become a staple and beef is still very calorically dense for what you put into them.
But I agree that we don't need to farm as many as we have. Overconsumption is a huge issue.

>>4804486
Raw? Sure. But as an ingredient? Plant milk doesn't do the same things and goat milk isn't a good substitute. Dairy will never leave the West, you're wasting your time and your effort trying to argue against it.

>>4804125
To be more accurate alter the bottom half so the people have very little or extremely thin hair.

>>4804125
did you get banned from /ck/ again ?

>>4804485
Goats do most things cows can do they don't need as much water, land, food, or specialized equipment to process. They also largely eliminate the need for fodder because they be grass fed almost anywhere but a desert and you'll still find wild ones there. They scale a lot easier personal farms. I would say wasting diseases are little more common in goats/sheep than madcow but it's not as much of a nightmare to destroy a herd of goats. So as far as milk and meat ruminants go cows are just wasteful for the sake of preference.

>>4804125
the other two people should simply not exist. you could say billions must die.

>>4804336
>There is no such thing as morality without religion. Only natural selection.
You don't need a "religion" to have a philosophy, and the moment you start trying to qualify it otherwise is the very moment you start playing fast and loose with the definition of "religion". You don't need to say dumb shit to dunk on vegans anon.

>>4804340
Well that's not necessarily true. Humans have been eating mostly grains and vegetables for the vast majority of history. General health goes down when things like meat and fruits are unavailable sure, but a delayed shipment on quinoa or whatever isn't gonna kill anybody.

>>4804689
Every livestock needs fodder at some point in their lives, but goats IMO are a little more inefficient. Especially when it comes to large-scale meat farming.
Goats can't be processed for their meat once they hit sexual maturity, including females and wethers. This means that any old goats that no longer breed or produce milk are literally deadweight. This is not the case for cows. Dairy cows past producing age can be processed for beef and the difference in taste can't be detected by the layman.
This makes large-scale goat farming impractical.
While yes, I do agree that goats are a far better solution for personal and hobby farms, cows will still be required even when the average westerner stops being a fat fucker and eating meat seven times a week.

You know all this vegan cope is shit because of the simple fact that as soon as lab grown meat comes out and is widespread we'll suddenly see the vast majority of these "veganism is actually healthy" go away except in crystal using hippies.

>>4804125
Death of a person is murder. A cow is not a person. They are destroyed or harvested but not murdered.

>>4804141
A mod's keyboard got insulted, so he added a wordfilter so s o y board became basedboard.
I'm not kidding.

>>4804752
Lab meat will never be viable, just like solar or wind, unless you break the laws of physics

>>4804823
I think you'll need safety scissors at the arts and crafts table.

>>4804125
The actual solution
>Depopulate
Humans have an abnormal population density for their size
Every single meat eating animal has an astronomically low population density. Something like 0.001 Individual for Square Mile
Meanwhile Humans in New York have a crazy density like 56,000 individual per square mile
This is unsustainable for the earth that is limited on resources and everyday third worlders keep on breeding like rats and cutting down wilderness to build their own homes.
Meat farms are inhuman and overcrowded because otherwise the market wont keep up with the demand and billions of people will be meat deprived and become malnourished
I suggest that all countries on earth enforce China's two child policy
and that no woman can have more than two kids in her lifetime with the exceptions of child mortality

>>4804828
white countries already breed under replacement.

total halt to all immigration and foreign aid = automatic global 1 child policy, no dystopia required.

>>4804859
This. If you want to crack down on overpopulation, the third world is what needs to be focused on. The fact that India and China already have populations that number a billion is absolutely ludicrous.

>>4804125
>why it gotta
Not reading the rest.

4804278
>screeching over vegans
Other way around champ.

>another low effort veganoid bait thread that will get 300 replies
Is it worth reading so far?

>>4804449
>>4804727
So true.
>>4804740
> Humans have been eating mostly grains and vegetables for the vast majority of history.
Source? As far as I know we’ve ate a healthy mix of everything for most of the time “humans” have been around

>>4804897
NTA but he said history, not prehistory. After agriculture become a common practice, it's been pretty well known that the lower castes (most people) had poorer mainly grain filled diets when compared to our prehistoric hunter gatherer ancestors. This can be seen in how our stature shifted to be shorter (something that's only recently shot back up) and by how much of a religious and historic significance bread or rice or corn has in any society. History has been fueled by grains.

>>4804217
>You put 15 million calories into a cow
Again, calories from a source we can't digest, and the waste that comes out of the cows' asses is sold as fertilizer.
I actually rototilled cow shit into my garden a few days ago

>>4804125
the reason is that meat tastes good. if i could only eat plant based slop then eating would become an unpleasant chore rather than something enjoyable that i look forward to

>>4804951
Spicy sweet chili Doritos are vegan.

>>4805217
>vegans are totally healthy bro just eat this gross processed crap

I've always been told that livestock are raised on inedible fodder grown on land that can't support anything substantial for humans, it's making use of otherwise useless land

I've also been told that there's more than enough food for the entire world and that it's just a matter of getting it where it needs to be, so we need to focus not on veganism but transportation and infrastructure

Meat eating is inevitable but that doesn't mean we shouldn't produce less. Your big mac SHOULD be made our of bugs.

>>4805220
you say that and then go to town on hotpockets, quit larping

>>4805348
You've been told correctly, both of these things are true. :)

>>4805354
the make it out of shrimp and you got a deal

>>4805427
You could say blob fish and it would still be a better cut of meat than what you're getting at McDonald's. So long as it tastes like it's full of salt and fat I'm happy.

>>4804279
Depends on how tough the grass is. Their cecum can actually ferment it a bit if the pieces are small enough, but they aren’t getting ruminant-levels of nutrition out of it.

>>4805447
>>4804279
Meant add that you’ve got the right idea; tough plants are only a minor source of nutrients.

That's why there's a reason why people buy meat. Do you think that people buy meat for no reason, just to throw it into garbage right after buying it and without eating it? By your own definition it's not murder unless you're wasting the food.

>>4805461
>Do you think that people buy meat for no reason, just to throw it into garbage right after buying it and without eating it?
holy strawman lmao

>>4805463
You could as well say that vegans buy food for bad enough reasons and that also causes plants to die.

>>4805348
we don’t need anymore overpopulation

>>4805470
>uhm plants can le feel pain and le scream!
it's not the gotcha you think it is

>>4804125
You get hundreds of pounds of meat from one cow and the bones can be used to make broth.

Top is natural bottom is bullshit.
We are supposed to be on top of the food chain.
We are NOT supposed to eat processed seeds. Let birds eat seeds then we can eat the birds and their eggs.
Embrace nature and our domesticated animal friends. We domesticated them for a reason. Milk and eggs are natures steroids.

>>4804217
>Nooo stop complicating evolution
I'm not even a carnivore but fuck, let's just kill ourselves and be fed to lesser lifeforms then, since that's better by your definition.

>>4805354
Anybody who eats bugs should be euthanized

We are heterotrophs. Everything we consume (aside from the handful of trace minerals we need to survive) either is or was at some point alive. The same can be said of absolutely every single thing on the planet that can be considered an animal, and quite a few things that arent, too.<br>Suffering is part of existence, and we all have to inflict some set amount to continue existing, the only difference is in how many layers of abstraction you want to hide yours under.

>>4805549
Why not? If the vegetarian argument is based on ethics, then why are some forms of life more valuable than others? If it is immoral to boil a lobster alive but not spinach, and both can feel pain, why the distinction?
The fact is life is a web of energy transfer built on suffering and death, and there's no escape unless you want to make yourself photosynthetic.

DannyElfmanGuy

I would be vegan if I was capable but I can’t due to health issues. The slaughter industry is awful and huge liars that don’t follow laws.

Anonymous

>>4804125
I can sympathize with vegetarians to a certain extent. The idea that if you can avoid killing to maintain your diet, you should. Alright. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but I can at least consider it a legitimate opinion that I can't naysay. Personally, I like to keep in mind that despite our intellects distinguishing us, we humans are still ultimately animals as well and it's fine for me to be an omnivore without crying about it like a pussy.
That being said, yeah, I really wish we could restrain some of the really disgusting hellscape shit the meat industry does. I'm fine with eating meat because in my mind the transaction between man and beast should be something like "I will guarantee you live a safe and happy life, and in exchange I will cut that life a little short for food."
Sounds fair.
Right now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. Eating meat is fine, but I don't believe we need to hellmax and torture the animals for maximum productivity. If meat needs to be more expensive in exchange for limiting the cruelty of the industry, so be it.
Being a vegan on the other hand is just performative and retarded. There's no possible issue with eating cheese, eggs, and drinking milk.
You can say you won't monetarily support a torture industry, fine, then just buy some more ethical products. You can't eat meat without participating in killing something, but you can definitely eat cheese without killing something. The idea that keeping animals for their produce is "exploitation" is just an absurd idea. Communism applied to anthropomorphized animals, so two childish and retarded ideas packed into one. A chicken isn't going to sob and freak out because you harvested a non-fertile egg, goddamn.

>>4806009
>you can definitely eat cheese without killing something
Hypothetically, yes, but realistically, no.
>A chicken isn't going to sob and freak out because you harvested a non-fertile egg, goddamn.
Of course not. The female chickens aren’t the victims. Even if you have backyard chickens you paid a fee to have the male chicks culled. And even the female chickens are culled when they stop laying eggs.

>>4806009
> Communism applied to anthropomorphized animals, so two childish and retarded ideas packed into one.
You hit the nail on the head, yes. No surprise they’re often followers of both.

>>4806020
I won't say you're wrong, but notice that you're bitching about the industry, not the principle of the matter.
A vegetarian can make an argument about how eating meat is always wrong, in principle.
A vegan on the other hand?
Only complaining about the industry.
You can be against the industry and also not be a vegan. So what the fuck is the actual GOOD argument for veganism?

>>4806043
Hens wouldn’t naturally lay 300 or more eggs a year, we have bred them to do so. Wild red jungle fowl only produce around 10 - 15 eggs a year and will lay in clutches, rather than producing an egg almost every day. This means we have bred these hens to produce up to 30 times more eggs than they are naturally designed to do so.

This is very unhealthy for them, since it depletes a lot of vitamins and minerals, including calcium, which is taken from their bodies to produce the egg shell. This why osteoporosis and broken bones are such a huge issue within commercial egg farms.

However, this loss of nutrients can also have an impact on backyard hens, with egg binding being an issue where an egg becomes physically stuck inside a hen, which can ultimately lead to her death.

One of the best ways to protect hens from nutrient deficiencies and health problems is to feed their eggs back to them.

Other health complications exacerbated by a hen’s excessive egg production, include egg yolk peritonitis, where the yolk of the egg gets stuck in her body and becomes infected by bacteria, such as E-coli. When peritonitis becomes widespread, it almost always leads to death. Egg laying hens will also suffer from prolapses, where the cloaca, the area of the body where the egg comes out, is pushed outside of her body.

Hens will often eat their eggs themselves, without their owners having to break the eggs or specifically feeding them back to them.

>>4806086
youre still bitching about industry
and we bred hens to do this before industry was even invented

>>4806086
Again, I can't disagree with what you're saying. That's all right. But it's the meat industry's evil, not an implicit moral good of the diet.
As I've said, I'm not a vegetarian but I think they have a good moral argument. I just don't think that vegans do. I'll give you an allegory to demonstrate how I feel.
Imagine you're the type of person who likes to order pizzas. You order 4 pizzas every week, even.
One day, someone tells you that you should stop ordering pizza because every time you do an eskimo man slam dunks a baby seal into a wood chipper.
End allegory.
You're telling me that by participating in the meat-eating industry I'm supporting the eskimo slam dunking a baby seal into a wood chipper.
I'm saying that I can eat the pizza while not letting the fact that some eskimos are psychotic be my own personal fault. I agree that they're correlated, but they should be uncorrelated and there's still an easily foreseeable realm where I can eat guilt free pizza.
Also, I smoked a bunch of pot between that post and this one.

>>4806097
>>4806100
Why is being against the dairy and egg industries not a good reason to be vegan? Is being against the pug industry not a good reason to avoid buying a pug?

Bitching about morality and animals is a purely RELIGIOUS talking point. Animals are not naturally moral agents. Naturally they are resources and only humans are important, for making more humans and supporting existing ones. In order to have rationally consistent morals beyond this simple instinct to survive and reproduce, you must develop a delusional extra-natural truth. A god or spirits.

So tell us, tranimal worshipers, from which scripture do you preach this animal souls bullshit from? Chickens are just a noisy, wiggly resource. Meat plants that bear eggs.

>>4806262
this

non delusional people only care about zoonoses risk, CVD caused by prime beef overconsumption, and resource efficiency. the animals can “suffer” for all we care because they dont have minds to experience suffering. they arent human. and if they did they wouldnt be relevant anyways unless they fought for their own rights. but because they dont, they are not relevant. just objects. property.

>>4806262
>>4806263
Veganism is definitely stupid, but so is roleplaying anime villain speeches about how you're a douchebag.
There's a middle ground between being a vegan pussy and whatever chuuni shit you guys are saying. It's honestly sort of embarrassing. We all know you two don't actually think that shit, and that's for the best because the kind of person who does believe that shit is a Chinese level bug psychopath.
You can eat meat without talking like Sephiroth and pretending to be a supervillain, goddamn.

>>4806509
Remember that this is 4chan and a lot of this performative combativeness is how you get attention but yes they get carried away with it

>>4806509
>six million anime references no one understands + racist against the chinese
Doesn't "china level bug psychopath" just mean "intelligent"?
>china: less emissions and environmental destruction per capita than america, majority against eating dog meat and consider it a manifestation of residual maoist contrarianism, redpilled on fags and trannies, racially homogenous

>america: pig torture capitol of earth, shot all their wolves and leveled all their forests so they could larp as cowboys, actively shooting coyotes to protect an invasive species (cats), actively fighting against efforts to ban a dangerous dog breed that kills 3x more people than all other dogs combined, driven more species to extinction worldwide than the residual maoist TCM craze could given 2 centuries, cuts the tips off their sons dicks without anesthesia because in theory if they grew up to be an amoral slut who refused to use condoms they would transmit fewer STDs, all gay/trans, mutts

>>4806100
most eskimos are in fact psychotic

>>4806525
china has notoriously bad animal welfare laws dude, you’re going to lose this argument if you’re trying to champion them as caretakers of their environment

>>4804152
I remember it started when some mod on /g/ got assblasted because he posted his keyboard and someone mentioned the word ONIONS which is how we got here now. By the way, I like cows.

>>4804125
>why don't you eat the grass yourself

>>4804125
Tell that to the rabbits, gophers, groundhogs, and baby deer that your train threshers kill by the thousands every year at harvest time.

>>4804125
It's called having wealth, faggot.
>lol just be a medieval peasant who eats bread instead of meat
Yeah no.

>>4806905
Mice are also killed in the production of hay and silage.

>>4806254
You can be vegan for literally any reason. It's a personal diet choice, you don't have to justify it to anyone.
Now if you try to preach that being vegan is inherently more moral than other diets? You're wrong and also retarded.

>>4804740

Not true humans have eaten red meat longer than anything else. The vast majority of human history included tens of thousands of years, with many of them being an ice age where the most successful hunted megafauna as thier primary livlihood.
The mammoth is red meat just like a cow.

Eventualy the megafauna were wiped out, and man domesticated a surviving red meat to replace it, the auroch. The cow has been part of humanity and the best civilizations since before 6,000 bc. Basicly since the last megafauna ran out. Mesopotamia and earliest recorded farmers raised cows.
This provided the red meat replacement humans lived on for thousands of years hunting megafauna and were evolved to needing.

To eat and drink milk you have to keep cows pregnant or they stop producing milk. So you get an excess of male offspring that must be killed anyways. Milk and egg production is all about killing at least half of the population early on since you just want the females.

You have to go before megafauna ice age times to ape ancestors to get to a time humans mainly ate plants. Humans began eating plants because it was cheaper and stretched resources as populations got larger.
The selfish elite would stretch this further depriving others of the best meat so they had more for themselves.
Eating grain was cope. Grain was originaly grown to feed animals and make brews of beer to go with steaks.
As humans started to live in unnatural density they began eating the animal feed and found they could sustain a larger population on it, and it was selectively bred for higher calories.
But more of human history was spent as megafauna hunting red meat eaters than as grain farmers.

>>4806905
Ummmm but that’s different because uh uh UHHH it just is ok??!!!
>>4806949
Even “medieval peasants” regularly ate hare and deer and what not


Is there ANY possibility that Rhea and Emu could cross-breed? I suspect their hypothetical hybrid would be ideal as livestock.

>>4802618
Why not? Any research on the subject?

>>4802631
no u

>>4802608
Unless it results in real life chocobos in the worlds first mountable birds I’m not interested

>>4802667
Emu and cassowary can't fucking crossbreed viably and you think that two extrordinarily distantly related ratites could? God I fucking hate you so much I just wanna stick my nails into your eyes and tear out your jugular with my teeth.

>>4803060
ratite relationships are not very well studied and change frequently. Beyond that, a closer relative being unable to breed with a desired stock but a further one being able to is not unheard of. It would be really easy to cite a study to disprove it, but there have been no attempts so far, is what I'm gathering.

>>4802608
There's a guy on YouTube that removes wasp hives then feeds the larvae to his birds, he has chickens, emus and rheas
As you'd expect they can't cross-breed

>>4804255
that doesn't seem very rigorous. Surely it would have to be artificially induced.

>>4802608
you could make a hybrid in the lab

>>4804275
>Hundreds of hybrid fish were created, of which about two-thirds survived over one month, and about 100 survived for one year
Ignoring the fact that it was a literal genetic freak accident using fish which would not be compareble to birds, this is not a good example of creating hybrids.

>>4806934
There's not very much study on bird crosses though so I think the baseline analysis of "pure distance in time doesn't always mean incompatibility" is relevant.


What is the minimum size cage for keeping an indoor cat?

>>4803661
Bad bait. At least try to sound genuinely curious and not just throwing it out there. See above >>4803663

This seems like a sensible way to keep a cat<br>Better than turning your entire home into a filthy cat cage

>>4803867
What about the height
>>4803869
Nothin wrong with a bit of toxo farmin

>>4803728
>Bad bait
>just throwing it out there
the average IQ of the users of this site is so low it literally doesn't matter. bots throw the entire fishing rod in the water and still bait countless retards
It's best to just ignore to save yourself headaches

>>4804190
So this is what they mean when they say they’re 80 percent water…

>>4803661
>>4803869
>>4803873
just let the cat roam dumb dumb
>nooooo111 it will get killed lol lmao L cat W dog
only soicats get killed by dogs
picrel is the superior cat, the caraval

>>4805910
A caraval is a ship. That's a caracal.

>>4805920
are you stupid? thats a caraval. its a mix between a serval and a caracal. though that in the image could also be a servacal (caraval is female serval and male, caraval, servacal is opposite)

>>4805926
Are they sterile?
What would a male caraval and female servacal give?
What about a female caraval and male servacal?
Is the world ready for this?

>>4805910
>>4805926
Actually pretty cool. Where can I get one

>>4806008
>Are they sterile?
only the early genration males
>What would a male caraval and female servacal give?
>What about a female caraval and male servacal?
>Is the world ready for this?
lol idk
>>4806040
>Actually pretty cool. Where can I get one
theyre pretty expensive. ive been larping a lot about having one but thats just a dream i guess
i couldnt find any prices but i think theyre like 30k each if you buy them and 6.5k if you breed them yourself (tho youll have to get 3 of course)

>>4806067
> but i think theyre like 30k each if you buy them and 6.5k if you breed them yourself (tho youll have to get 3 of course)
Yeah, I definitely don’t have that kind of disposable income (well I do but I’m not spending it on a pet)
Oh well…


squit

Why did god evolve us to feel immense physical discomfort and physical irritation for days or even weeks non-stop any time one of these little faggots pokes us for just 3 seconds?

G-D didn't evolve you to feel those things - instead, you're doing these things to yourself and "evolving" together with nature to experience this discomfort.

>>4806998
Ah, so you are saying god layed down the foundation and we are to blame for evolving into wussies over bug bites. Thanks for the clarification anon.

>>4807000
No - you can actually blame G-D (PBUH) for everything. Don't worry because it's not your fault.

>>4807001
>G-D (PBUH)
What is this cryptographic cypher?

>>4806993
Mosquitos rarely bite me for some reason and when they do the bump only lasts a day at most. Sounds like God™ wants you to suffer which means you deserve it.

>>4807023
No, GOD just knows OP is stong enough to fight tougher battles than the rest of us.
>ONCE HE HAS CONQURED THE MOSQUITO BITE, I SHALL MAKE HIM DEFAULT ON HIS CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS AND GIVE HIS DOG TURBO CANCER

I would think that mosquitoes that are the least annoying would outbreed the ones that are. If there were a mosquito mutation that made its bites harmless, humans would ignore mosquitoes.

Wait, did humans actually evolve to react to mosquito bites, specifically because we'd just stand around and let them devour us if the bites didn't itch?

>>4806993
You don’t have it bad until you live on an island with a near completely flat topography that can effectively house breeding grounds for them anywhere on it

>>4807005
an ancient tongue from a primitive peoples whom used to have relations with goats
>>4807060
that could make sense, but most of the danger of mosquito bites comes from bacteria and parasites that infect them so it’s a wonder why they haven’t evolved an immune system able to repel that stuff


Your cat deserves better. <br>Your cat deserves Fancy Feast

>>4807082
>your cat deserves better punishment for their sins


>>4804955
that is a soicat
>it is forced to shit in a box
>it is forced to eat slop
>it is forced to roam in a fraction of its natural terretory
>its hunting abilities have been crippled
>its reproductive capabilities have been brutally disabled
>it can only run 30km/h
>it can only jump like 1.5 meters vertically
>it has KEKED genetics

compare that to the superior caraval
>it refuses to eat slop
>it catches 30 small animals per day
>it can jump 5 meters verticaly
>it can run 80km/h
>it can take a coyote in a fight
>tame, will still kill you if you trap it inside
>blesses stray cats with its superior dna every day
>its terretory is 50*50km in size
>it has triple the biteforce of the soicat
>it always wins in the mating contest
>it has unKEKED genetics

>>4804978
cucked* fuck that stupid filter

>>4804978
>it has KEKED genetics
That sounds amusing. Maybe being an cat is the way to go.

>>4804986
you know exactly what i mean >>4804979
your cat is a soicat