Animal souls

It's not uncommon to hear people say that animals must have souls because clearly their dog, cat, horse or whatever has a distinct personality, emotions they can understand and relate to and so on. But if that's the case where do you draw the line? At cattle? Reptiles? Fish? Insects and other invertebrates? Amoebas?

we just don't know<br>if you truly realize that, and what it implies, then all you can do is try your best

Same applies to humans and proto-humans as well. I asked the question a few times and the answers are always like "oh, god gave them human souls when homo erectus or homo sapiens appeared". Yeah, well, these species didn't pop fully formed into existence, it was a continuum over generations whereas you'd think an immortal soul is a fairly yes/no thing.

>>4780568
I think people say "soul" as a way to describe something they're attached to. You can raise a calf as a pet and you'll see a soul in it.
People claim certain animals don't have souls to justify killing and eating them.

>>4780568
Souls dont exist. Neither does the hebrew god.

Animals have varying levels of cognition and comprehension. The less of each, the more convenient it is to eat them. Cattle farmers can slaughter cows in the same pasture as the others without issue. Dog farmers have to keep animals bound and caged, preferably individually, prior to slaughter, because the dogs often attack the butcher if they do not just try to escape. Which animal are we going to eat?

>>4780609
also cows transform stuff we cant eat into food we can eat, dogs cant survive on grass

>>4780568
No animals have souls. Souls are a human trait and almost certainly angelic trait, allowing for one to have free will, AKA gives you the ability to make choices. Animals are more "automatic" and cannot sin, therefore they have no soul.

>>4781170
There is more of an argument for animal free will than for human free will because we are the only animal with a split brain, only half of which can speak (including to itself)
>but muh religion
Recounts total non-history, shit that provably did not happen, and calls it the word of god. It was made up by schizophrenics who thought the man in the sky told them to cut the tips of their dicks off.

>>4780568
Even rocks and inanimate objects have souls.

>>4781171
We get it reddit religion bad, you can fuck off now you have school in the morning.

>>4781170
>Souls are a human trait
Where are they stored?

>>4781287
>Even rocks and inanimate objects have souls
Based and shintopilled

>>4781287
>we get it religion bad
Yes it is, because it causes people to just make ahit up about the nature of reality and claim those who disagree are out to get them. Religion is a schizo empowerment and normie distraction tool.

There are no souls. We made the word up to describe something that isn't there, like a child making monsters from shadows. The universe is purely mechanical. Grow up.

>>4780568
As stated in genesis man was specifically created to have dominion over and steward all animals.
I personally view that each animal is special, beautiful, and created to praise and honor the god of heaven and earth. And it is my job as a human to steward that properly.
That doesn’t mean le veganinsm, as God is the first hunter, as he killed two beasts to provide clothing for Adam and Eve, providing that as an example that we are permitted to utilize our dominion over creatures to fill our needs. I do believe we should flee from unnecessary taking of life even though we are higher beings than animals.
The word of god never speaks on afterlife of an animal, but my personal belief is that heaven will appear as Eden, with all animals existing in harmony.

The practical transalation of my beliefs makes it so animals should be honored, and cared for. But as humans we are permitted to consume, domesticate, or leave alone to any animal we should choose. However we should always pray and ask for guidance before commiting any such acts with an animal. And give thanks after the fact.

>>4780576
If you want to go by a biblical timeline. Souls were given to man the second they were created.
Scientific timeline. About 50k years ago. When art started showing up in caves, gravesites were created, jewelry was worn. There is no explanation for all those behaviors appearing at once other than humans being granted souls and dominion.

>>4780609
>>4781171
>>4782517
Le tips fedora
I am praying for you, that you may be accepted into the everlasting fold of Christ

>>4782832
Nothing stated in the lieble is fact. If the bible is the word of god, every error is either not an error, or the bible is not the word of god.

Given all of genesis, exodus, numbers, etc is rife with total non-facts the book of matthew contains ancient political slander, and the entire new testament is a fictional biography written 200 years after the schizo priest died, either your god is playing an overcomplicated trick, or your priests simply made it all up.

Only ONE religion on earth actually aligns with proven facts
Buddhism
Simply because it does not claim to know anything about anything where it might be incorrect, and asks that you don't either.

>>4782832
>be christcuck schizo shilling your dick cutting, woman stoning, goat torturing, nature destroying religion on an animals board
>write tldr post because you're fat and wouldnt get up from your chair anyways
https://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4eve<wbr>r/1998/9803.Ferraro.fat.html

>>4782832
If you want to understand how fucking stupid your religion is
>The word of god never speaks on afterlife of an animal, but my personal belief is
You are stating something based on a specific translation, and adding your own opinion, and hoping your imaginary god is ok with it.

But his original word was in hebrew, which rather clearly refers to animals as having the same word for soul/being as adam. If a lack of explicit statement means animals do not go to heaven... at no point was it explicitly stated that women received souls. Then you have the catholics, pilpulling over the different ways 15 different writers referred to the soul to try and imagine a technicality where animals only have a "spirit" and only humans have a "soul" engaging in something that borders on the same gnostic heresy they once murdered people over (so much for that covenant, ah but wait, technically in a translation of the translation which is divine because if it were not god would surely smite it although god does not surely smite other heresies thats our job well actually actually but if.... what a schizo clusterfuck).

>Scientific timeline. About 50k years ago. When art started showing up in caves, gravesites were created, jewelry was worn. There is no explanation for all those behaviors appearing at once other than humans being granted souls and dominion.
There is an explanation for those behaviors. Significantly advanced brains developed to accumulate enough culture that the culture became widespread and frequent enough to begin reliably making it into the archaeological record. Elephants also have gravesites, just because their brains got good enough and have been that way for long enough for them to maintain a culture. It's a lot like how wolves pass down prey preferences and hunting techniques, just with more layers of thought.

>>4782832
>Scientific timeline. About 50k years ago. When art started showing up in caves, gravesites were created, jewelry was worn.
Neanderthal buried their dead and probably used pigments and clothes. Did they have half-souls or something?

>>4782832
This.
>>4782851
It never speaks on if angels live in heaven or someplace else either. The Bible is a how to guide on spiritual salvation not an answer key on everything.
>>4780568
Genesis states (hu)men were kicked out of Eden, later a donkey speaks to a king, and throughout the Bible it states that you should care for animals (do not muzzle the ox in Leviticus, Genesis ofc and Christ stating you should save an animal from a pit even if on the Sabbath day). No where does it state that animals don't have souls, Genesis heavily implies it, and common sense says they have certain level of understanding and thinking.

Yes animals have souls. Not sure if insects do or not. Don't know where the line is drawn.

>>4782839
Bible is all true, sorry :/
>>4782840
Ad homonym
>>4782851
Divinely inspired Translation + personal revelation = based takes
The Hebrew references the life/being, not the natures. Flesh and spirit, Bible only references animals being creatures of the flesh.
Also Elephants or wolves don’t make art, not saying animals cannot have empathy, that their that they have not been given the godly gifts of creation and dominion that humans have
>>4782893
Yes. No I will not elaborate.
>>4782908
There are quite a few descriptions of heaven seen throughout the Bible. Most of them including angels.

Either all animals have souls or none do. Every creeping thing (ie bugs) are always lumped in with animal descriptions.
Would ere on the side that they have some form of metaphysical existence, whether that is a soul or not I do not have those answers
>>4782960
Yes, will elaborate if you ask

>>4780568
If that animal bonded with a human, it goes to heaven with that person. If that animal didn't bond with a human, it goes to the heaven of its species.

>>4780568
All mammals have souls, simple as

>>4782839
>it’s the buddhist schizo again
you know they preach about souls too right

>>4783017
>"Either all animals have souls or none do. Every creeping thing (ie bugs) are always lumped in with animal descriptions."
Yes good point. So I believe bugs do have souls.

>>4782832
Based, blessed post
>>4782840
Malding redditor

>>4784946
Thanks brother. Based In the gospel of Christ is the only way to be based. Glad we have some Christ followers on the board for celebrating gods creation.

>Thanks brother. Based In the gospel of Christ is the only way to be based. Glad we have some Christ followers on the board for celebrating gods creation.

i think animals may have souls but would you suck a log of shit out of andy sixx's ass?

>>4785151
Because god made animals and nature.
And Christians pretty much invented the science of biology

>>4782832
Based

Christ is King, God created everything and we must protect it

>>4785171
>>4785178
Because muh epic Greeks looked at stuff and were almost right! The invented, le science!!!!
Cmon, if your going to claim that at least go as far to say Assyria and Babylonia originated biology.
It wasn’t until Saint Albertus Mangus came along that biology became what we know today. And practically every single discovery of actual significance in the field was Christian, the Greeks and their 4 humors can take a hike.
>>4785179
>brainlet atheist cannot understand concepts said by god about himself
>always has been
>always will be
>before all, I am
It really is not that difficult to understand far reaching concepts like that. Where did god come from shouldn’t even be a question. It’s like asking where did the hot soup of particles before the Big Bang come from.
>>4785180
Begone heretic
>>4785177
Amen, go in peace brother

>>4785151
I think one of these guys recently got rangebanned from /his/

>>4785163
>>4785171
>>4785193
Greeks didn’t invent “biology” but they did pioneer the roots of zoology, taxonomy, and the science of classifying organisms, it can be traced back to Aristotle’s wide breadth of work on the subject, including Historia Animalium, where he established that organisms can be recognized as “groups” when all members possess the same set of distinguishing features - for example, all birds have the universal characteristics of wings, beaks, feathers, and so on. It’s about as close as we have to the first scientific definition of species.

>>4785142
you can almost smell the room this was made in

>>4782832
I hate religion threads usually but you're okay

>>4782832
Laughing at all the retards "this"-ing this post

>>4785307
>"This is literally you, dude."
>"Uhhh, ermm, uuuuuuh, YOU'RE GROSS!!!"
Thank you for conceding :)
TradLARPS stay LARPing.

>>4785203
Wow! You made the same post twice, and then added an insult. Do you want a gold star?
>>4785305
That brings me back to my points that practically every other culture and religion up to that point had done that. Babylonia was renowned for their grasp of genectics in creating livestock, Assyria and Persia had cataloged different kinds of beasts. And heck, even the Pentateuch, which scholars agree even if it was not written by Moses, predated Aristotle by at least 200 years and mentions “Kinds” in that regard.
I have no opposition to the fact that humans are generally curious and extremely intelligent. But my argument is that until the church started funding research of the natural world, all news was old news at that point. Science as as we know it is a Christian institution no matter which way you slice the orange.
>>4785390
Thanks bro, truthfully I really don’t like them either and try not to reply to them as it generally turns into name calling and slander. But i believe all people are deserving of at least a chance to express their points in a productive way. And also I feel that since this thread is on topic to /an/ and specifically addresses animals and pets in the afterlife, it is appropriate to discuss religious topics and how they are relevant to the board.
>>4785393
Thanks for the (you)

>>4785447
Did you make that ‘meme’? Unless you did I don’t see why you’re offended. Not even Christian but it just reeks of seethe

>>4785461
>That brings me back to my points that practically every other culture and religion up to that point had done that.
Not nearly to the same consistently detailed extent and not nearly as accurately. Yes, the idea of naming and classifying stuff has taken place since the dawn of communication (“don’t eat those berries, they’re poisonous”) but Aristotelian taxonomy was literally in use throughout all of the Medieval, Renaissance, and Early Modern periods because it was so efficient. Hell, lots of his distinctions, like vertebrate and invertebrate, are still in use today, and it wasn’t until the Early Modern period that taxonomy became advanced or original enough to replace the works of Aristotle with Linnaeus, not touching the rest of that because I didn’t argue anything about it, just pointing out this stuff started out definitively with the Greeks.

>>4785461
>Thanks for the (you)
You're welcome, troll, I know attention gives you fulfillment.

>>4780568
All things have souls, even rocks and rivers

How do you retards not get tired of the same disingenuous "jokes" day in and day out?

>>4782832
The fedora/reddit defense is ridiculous. You're demanding others believe in obviously fake shit. That's all of it. There's nothing special here. It's just as bad as cutting off your penis and demanding to be called a woman. Nobody is gonna shame me into accepting their gaslighting. Not religious retards who can't cope with the world without their fragile beliefs, not crying guys in drag, not corporations telling me I need their product, not politicians saying I should be terrified of trivialities. It's all fucking bullshit. All of it. You're a bullshitter. You're shoveling it out in paragraphs of nonsense. Calling out unironic liars and manipulators is not cringe, it's a public service. So take the le fedora papering and shove it up your ass.

>>4786751
It's one guy arguing with himself.

>>4785638
how did Balaam's donkey see the angel, and why did god grand the donkey the ability to speak to Balaam in Numbers 22:21-39 if animals have no souls?

>>4786855
I have no problem with atheists at all, one of gods greatest gifts to humanity was that of free will and you have the right to pick what you believe. Heck, I was atheist for a good majority of my life. I have no demand for you to convert to my religion, just an invitation.

Le fedora tippers are the type of atheists who demand everyone to convert to their religion, especially when it is uncalled for. Such as in a thread about souls..

Everyone had faith about something. Many choose to put your faith in the current scientific agreement. Even more choose to put their faith in gods or a Big G God. Meeting any beliefs with aggression and schizoposting about trannies is not really a public service.

Praying for your soul my friend

Souls don't exist. Everything, rocks, bacteria, animals, humans all share the same soul.

>>4787078
so we’re all collectively going to hell? that doesn’t sound fair

>>4786855
>The fedora/reddit defense is ridiculous.
I mean, there’s definitely truth to it

>>4786938
>Uncalled for! how dare you!
Christianity actively lies about simple, proven facts like the age of the earth, the origin of life, and even relatively recent history, and there's nothing in scripture that actually disallows the OT punishments. You people really are an active threat to facts, civility and the ongoing abortion bullshit in the US is just you showing your true nature.

What's next, flat earth and young earth creationism in schools? Stoning faggots is also currently allowed, as turn the other cheek referred to interpersonal disputes, and thou shalt not kill translated properly only refers to unjust, unholy killings.
>Even more choose muh yahweh!
It's rather well correlated with poor intelligence. Again, you are an active threat to simple civility. It takes very little for the religion of peace to start say, tracking women who try and skirt religiously motivated abortion laws to punish them for daring to voluntarily terminate a mere zygote.

Sure, philosophy is dead, but christianity is no substitute. You are, if the atheists and nonchristian deists drop your chains, as bad as islam and eager to return to violent fundamentalism.

>>4787094
>there's truth to it
The actual truth to it is christians are statistically more likely to be poor and obese than atheists.

>poor
>fat
>dumb
>violent
>want to track down and punish women who terminate brainless fish-things instead of creating children they can't care for
Yeah. They're cancer. I don't care if their answer is "so you'd rather have fags and trannies!" because it seems every other church is ok with those when they feel like turning the other cheek.

>>4787105
I'm sorry your mom dragged you off the xbone once a week anon.

>>4787102
>>4787105
Who mentioned abortion in this thread? LMAO.
I’m sorry that the nes you read has painted Christians in such a bad light to you that you need to make the mother of all strawman to even begin to argue with me. Not once have you asked my beliefs to infer anything about where I stand on any of those topics you mentioned. Simply stating that I’m a danger to civility and life because of the big bad Christian you see on social media.

I really have no hard feelings towards you, and would even love to debate some of the topics you have mentioned. But I have a feeling that I would be met with more strawmen and your own personal opinions about a people group you haven’t even done any research into let alone know.

I honestly can say you are blinded by hatred, and i feel sorry for you, and will continue my prayers for you. So that you may soften your heart and be able to view others for what they are. People. People who have lives, and jobs, and kids, and families, and problems, and every other thing that you experience. But so so different. People don’t just wake up one day and believe something that you “know” to be crazy. Their whole life led them to those things.

TLRD: people are more than just walking opinions. And you have become a bigot, the exact thing you claim to hate, because you can’t see that

>>4787168
>bold of you to assume i follow my religion!
>b-bigot ;_;
Anyways, the point is, you get hostility when you shill christy creationist nonsense for a lot of very good reasons, fatso. It's been a genuinely evil influence in life for a lot of people. Keep that shit on /x/ with mothman and the cosmic death fungus.

This is a thread about comparative neurobiology.

>>4787178
Read the Bible.
Provide me sources for what you said. And in sure I could provide you red verses (stuff Jesus was specifically attributed to saying) to either clarify or fulfill your problems with god.

If you really want to understand and argue in good faith I’m all for it. But all I’ve seen are strawmen and whining.

>>4787182
Stop preaching your shitty cult on /an/ schizo

>>4780568
Everything comes from souls.
>Reptiles? Fish? Insects Amoebas?
All of these have group souls meaning many individuals from the same soul. Millions of insects can be one incarnation of a soul.
This is a well known topic, mediums/psychics often talk about it and I am one of them.

>>4787192
It keeps getting dumber

Bro, "soul" is just humans guessing something has familiar intelligence and emotions

>>4787181
>>4787178
So nice you replied twice.

Funny you should mention evil, from your point of view, what is good and evil, and why has Christianity fallen on that side of your coin?

>>4787193
People who have no clue use various definitions. Soul is perfect and untouchable.

>>4780568
Everything has a soul. Dogs have a soul. Plants have a soul. Little bitty bacteria have a soul, for their entire 24-hour lifespan. God created life, and gave everything a soul.

>>4787105
Heres some actual stats. Who could have guessed the group that rejects the infinite brilliance and beauty of the creator kill themselves the most? You are no better than the fags and trannies to be honest

Here's a little secret. You don't need religion to be a violent human hell bent on the subjugation of others. Religion is an convenient excuse for violence, not the cause of the violence. By pretending to believe something that you don't really believe, you can justify whatever violence you like. And once you have enough power to wield more violence than your enemies, you can drop religion altogether and simply have religion-neutral thugs willing to kill for you.

Those who hurt others in the name of religion might technically really believe in their god, but they don't really care about their god - they're so selfish that they'd take any excuse to hurt the people they hate. If their religion told them in no uncertain terms that they were not allowed to subjugate those they hate, then they would not follow that religion at all, or would willfully misinterpret or branch it off entirely.

>>4787349
>those Muslim suicide rates
Holy shit how??

>>4787428
It seems be from the 80s and doesn’t say what countries it’s from

>>4787349
Not gonna lie the graph is a little suspicious dog.
Source:?
Sample size:?
Rate per 100k:? (Of total population? Sub catagory?)
Total:? Of what?

>>4787716
>>4787428
Agreed sussy graph
>>4787719
More straw men, dude get over it, just because your life sucks doesn’t mean every one else’s does. There is actually a proven correlation between believing in a higher power and reduced rates of depression and suicide.
>>4787721
>>4787724
LMAO dude is talking about Jews.
Jesus came and fulfilled the old law, abolished stoning, and put two commandments in place rather than 10.
1: Love god
2: Love your neighbor like yourself
You are talking about talamudic Zionism, not Christianity.
>>4787727
>Suicide correlates with high intelligence
You are missing a few steps there bucko
>high intelligence correlates with pride
>pride correlates with godlessness
>godlessness correlates with depression and suicide
There, fixed it for ya

Also about that whole president pope thing. Again, I’m babtist, pope is not a mouthpiece of god. Would rather have someone who doesn’t claim to be something their not in office

>>4787756
>bla bla bla im fat listen to me ramble dont look at what people actually do
Hail Satan

>Animals have so-
*Proves you wrong by existing*
Your move, you overemotional round eared meatbag.

We used to have these threads on /x/. Now it's just /pol/-lite.

The first thing we must do is define what a soul is.

To me the soul it's consciousness: I think, therefore I am. All matter/energy is conscious to a varying degree. In fact, it always varies depending on what one is doing or not doing. For example, my consciousness may be lower while I drive home but higher when talking with a person. As such, there is a base level consciousness and a max level based on species or corporeal composition. As far as we know, Homo sapiens have the highest degree of consciousness/soul both base level and max level: I wish I had better terms, but these will have to do. Other forms, such as our cousins like Chimps, Bonobos, Pongo also have great levels of consciousness and potential compared to something like a rat or a bearded dragon. The two aforementioned creatures do not need high levels of either base or max consciousness because their lifespans are too short and they lack the general purpose to "evolve" a soul/consciousness: That doesn't mean that they couldn't just develop one for teh lulz. The same goes for a lot of Homo sapiens, but that's more of a learned behavior: Monkey see, monkey indoctrinated, monkey do. I draw a lot of parallels between the lack of consciousness/soul and the concept of "Princess Syndrome" or "Little Emperor Syndrome". A person "suffering" such and forth has very little need to develop a consciousness/soul as all their needs and desires are immediately met with no logic, honor, or empathy: There are Homo sapiens among us that are akin to insects in regards to their level of consciousness/soul.

To answer succinctly, all energy/matter has a soul/consciousness. The degree of strength of such depends on corporeal composition, and in certain species, the battle between nature v. nurture. I do not draw a line. But I do have more compassion/respect for creatures that have a base level consciousness near or higher than mine because I am flawed.

>>4787789
My favorite /x/tard theory was that eating other lifeforms was how you grew your soul and meat eating parents would pass on a little soul to their offspring, which meant vegans were NPC factories

>>4787756
>>high intelligence correlates with pride
>>pride correlates with godlessness
Wrong, the most prideful people in the world are blacks and they also have the lowest IQs

>>4787756
>believing that ending your life on your own terms results in eternal hellfire lowers suicide rates
Yes, by preventing the people dumb enough to believe that from dying.

If people werent that dumb we would have never had lynch mobs and witch hunts either.

>>4787791
>/x/tard theory was that eating other lifeforms was how you grew your soul.
Anon, that's just Chinese culture. I say this with no bigotry or hate. In Chinese culture, it is said that the rarity the animal and inflicting suffering/pain not only improves the taste of the meat, but also releases more qi (chi/energy) for the eater leading to beneficial effects. It's why the Chinese peoples continue to eat live mice, torch/cook dogs alive, and feast on bat soup.

>>4787721
And they would do the same without god too. Religion is a convenient excuse for hatred and violence, not its cause. The hatred embedded into their book is not pulled from some religious aether from which all hate derives. The hate comes from raw instinct.

>>4787767
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god is like the core teneant of Christianity. Christians can do bad things as well as those who claim to be Christ followers and atheists, the difference is Christians are accepted into the fold of Christ, and forgiveness on their sins. Just because someone believes in something doesn’t mean they are perfect no matter what that belief may be.
>>4787796
Bell curve. Intellegence isn’t the only cause of pride. The blacks godlessness leads them into fornification and murder.
>>4787798
Catholic/muslim belief. Nowhere in the Bible does it say suicide is a ticket to hell.

Also I said depression. Not suicide. so even if people did believe suicide=hell that wouldn’t explain the lower depression rates.
>>4787791
Reminds me of the one where they say the only way a person can have a soul is if a woman orgasms during conception. I bust my gut reading those threads every time.

>do animals have souls
Depends on your theology, atheists (being the kings of midwits) don't believe in souls at all so that's a given. But

>Christianity
No
>Judaism
No
>Islam
No
>Hinduism / Sikh
Yes, animals have souls. Some animals are more revered than others like cows.
>Buddhism
Don't believe in eternal souls but animals can become enlightened

>>4787870
We got a world religions major here guys!

>>4787721
If you didn’t say Bible I would’ve sworn you were talking about Muslims because they do all of those things already but I think I can venture a guess that you don’t feel the same way about them

>>4787724
>the crusades
Now I’m very curious what you think the Crusades were

>>4787799
>I say this with no bigotry or hate.
I do. It’s patently retarded and deserves to be called out as such.

>>4787789
>Now it's just /pol/-lite.
Better than leftypol-lite
>>4787791
>>4787831
Kek based /x/

>>4786938
No you retard, having faith in the scientific process is not the same as having faith in god. One frequently yields accurate predictions and results, and has dramatically improved our lives, the other is cringe larpers who cry about their dad working for nintendo in every dispute. See, this is why your lying is such a fucking brain parasite. You don't even know what faith is. You're incapable of understanding because you're totally mindfucked. I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow. I have faith that gravity will keep the Earth together. I have faith in my friends and family, that we'll look after each other. I have no faith in religion because it's all straight bullshit which feeds on the lives of humans and only pretends to give things in return. Praying is the ultimate parasocial activity. At least trying to get into a streamer's pants has greater than 0 probability of success. People who put their highest faith in obviously untrue things are either idiots, crazy, or scammers, and in a more perfect world we'd be teaching kids how to defend themselves against the manipulation tactics of religions (skills which are useful against many kinds of scammer).

This thread was made by an idiot and you are an idiot. You don't get any respect just from being all cordial and claiming we're on equal footing. We aren't. You are pushing bullshit, your beliefs are simply wrong, and this thread is off topic. There are no souls. It's make believe. Fuck off.

>>4788107
I could say the same about prayer. I genuinely get results from reading the Bible, pondering gods word, and praying. But you wouldn’t know since you have never tried with genuine intention.

Would also like to say the faith is exactly the same. You have absolutely no proof for anything that happened pre invention of the camera. You choose to believe that history as you know it isn’t some completely made up fabrication. Or even as far as to say that the universe did not come into existence in it’s entirely the second you were born. Sure, you have evidence supporting the contrary, but you could never 100 percent be sure of it. Your worldview, wether you like it or not, is based entirely on trusting what other people say. Supported by what you can observe. And that goes for everyone.

I completely understand where you are coming from though, I grew up in a genuine cult. And because of that i was atheist for quite a while, i believed as far as people who make their kids go to church should go away for child abuse. But there was always something missing in my life, so i tried all forms of spirituality from paganism to x tard crap. Then one day I was in a situation that I didn’t think I could get out of. And out of instinct I prayed and gave my soul to Christ. From that day on I haven’t felt any of the anxiety, depression, hatred, fear, or doubt that I did when I tried any other form of belief system. Seeing my life before and after god could single handedly prove to me he is real. But he has given me so many other miracles to show me how loved I am!

As I said earlier in the thread. I’m praying for each one of you who feel such sting hatred toward the idea of God and his followers. That one day he could reach your heart in the way he reached mine

>>4780568
Of course they do. They're alive aren't they.

>>4787831
Now you're just making excuses for yourself to sin.
>Duuuuh, we do bad tihngs but it okay cuz God sed were gud guiys!11 :)))))
Hail Satan.

>>4788107
>>4788133
Tldr
>nooo stop bullying my bronze age cult that's diametrically opposed to animals and nature!
HAIL SATAN! ALL BOW TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD TO EVER EXSIT, LUCIFER!

>>>/pol/

>>4788133
>Would also like to say the faith is exactly the same. You have absolutely no proof for anything that happened pre invention of the camera. You choose to believe that history as you know it isn’t some completely made up fabrication. Or even as far as to say that the universe did not come into existence in it’s entirely the second you were born
You say this, and you are on a nature board, which means you should know exactly why this is wrong

What's next, young earth creationism? Oh yes you are THE guy who shills it here.

>>4788262
Nope, everyone sins. Jesus just offers to take the punishment of the sin for you. Very simple concept to understand if you aren’t retarded
>>4788263
How is it opposed to animals and nature? I believe animals and the natural world are gods perfect creation. And us as man have corrupted it through sin and hubris. I’m not telling you to stop attacking or asking questions or anything of the sort. In fact I encourage you to, because I know that what I am defending is true, and that god can provide the proper letters to my fingers to hopefully reach someone who has questions. Even if the people I’m replying to have profound mental disabilities that lead to horrible reading comprehension.

Here’s a soulful creature that god told me to let him live another day to bring the thread back on topic

>>4788268
I have chosen to ignore your TL;DR in favor of complimenting that beautiful fish, and I do hope you either devour it, release it, or keep it in an aquarium.

>>4788268
>christians at the door: le god le christ le jesus will save you he is all loving he is love *vague schizo nonsense*
>christians once you let them in: god allows us to make toadlines. stop putting mere spirited beasts above your brothers in christ or you will be sentenced to a psychiatric monastery.
HAIL SATAN

>>4788268
>blablablabla im a pseudo-moralistic control freak only interested in throwing my weight around and making up rules for everyone else to follow but myself
Hail Satan.

Animals have souls alright

The same souls as us, thank brahma (christians are hindus that mistakenly believe krishna is agni’s son, pay them no mind, they are schizo pseudo-hindus who stole civilization from pagans, the redditors of history. Read your vedas and begin the journey towards truth)

Hail shiva (aka satan, who is not bad at all but a logical part of reality)

>>4788271
They preach peace but have a history of war - against nations, against brothers, against nature. Always the justified savior, never an aggressor, in their own mind.

Convert to shinto buddhism if you actually like animals and nature.

Do the mites in my dog's ears have souls?

>>4788286
Those are reincarnated muslims who were cruel to dogs because they believed dogs in homes scared the angels. Now the dog is their home and they will never attain a higher form until they realize the error of their ways.

There would normally not be so many, but yknow, gaza

>>4788288
That would explain why my dog got a bunch of ticks in early october.

>>4788270
Thanks, yeah I love sunnies, little guy went to swim back with his friends. If I were to keep a sunfish for aquarium use again it would be a Lepomis megalotis var. ozark.

>>4788271
>More strawmen
You are actually delusional

>>4788278
Rules are for everyone. Nobody can follow them because of the natural evil of humanity. But rather than embracing that evil I choose to reject it.

>>4788282
>>4788284
>>4788288
Ahhh the X tards have arrived

More sunfish in the name of Jesus

>>4788359
This >>4788284 is more or less true, what you preach isn't what your "brothers" do across the wide world, so you're either a retard or you're a new age pseudo-christian deist (or worse, gnostic) and no one really cares about your spiritual ramblings. Anyone can believe anything and it doesn't really affect the world unless multiple people believe in the exact same living authority and form a far reaching mob, ie: marxists, westboro, mormons, israel. It also has absolutely nothing to do with animals and nature - in fact, this entire thread should probably go on /x/ with the bigfeet and mothmen.

Attempting to preach religion outside of /x/ and /pol/ (from a historical standpoint, most religious laws are artifacts of historical political struggles, down to jews and their mixed fabric autism being related to inter-tribal disputes) should be bannable, because no matter what you believe, your beliefs are inherently a rejection of someone elses beliefs and inherently offensive. But maybe it's too funny to watch .

>>4788364
>no one really cares about your spiritual ramblings
You cared enough to write a series of gay novellas about them over a period of four days. Seek help.

>>4788409
I did? Me, that "Anonymous" guy? But wait, that's you too. No one feels strongly about religion. It's not like most belief systems are mutually exclusive and yours in particular contains clauses that require that all other belief systems be rejected and classified as manifestations of evil or anything. No way would there be a debate if you brought up religion. That never happens.

You've been talking to yourself this whole time.

I maintain that all religion topics belong on /x/ and /pol/.

>>4788413
Just because the IP counter is gone doesn't mean we can't tell it's you, benchod bastard.

>>4788416
>>4788413
>>4788409
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>>4788359
Samefag

What's wrong with this retard Anonymous? Why is he replying to himself?

>>4788419
>>4788416
Stop speaking indian dude we got it, you like your god vecna or whatever better

Religion is super-natural (outside of the realm of nature, exists 100% inside of the subspace vortex caused by the human gestalt subconscious) therefore it belongs on /x/ - supernatural

>>478813
Anything you can get from the bible you can get from other studies without the viciously twisted biases and reproduction programming. The true purpose of the bible is to spread its meme, not inform. It contains some basic teachings as a delivery mechanism for the intended payload.

You cannot actually understand what I'm saying because the bible has anti counter-memetic mechanisms as well. It's pretty insidiously crafted, ironically through a process of evolution. The ability for Christianity to fragment and mutate gradually with relatively minor squabbling sets it apart from earlier, stricter religious where deviation is more strictly protected, and is largely responsible for its greater success over time.

You are host to a memetic parasite. The trite trash you're spouting in those last paragraphs is you itching at sores to relieve psychological stress, shedding particles of your infection to potential new hosts. It's pretty horrific shit. Realize the zombie you've become.

>>4780568
Anima is the Latin word for soul.

>>4788284
>convert to eastern philosophy I dont actually understand but my own poor understanding of it leads to believe this is what it is
ok

>>4788282
>>4788413
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>>4788428
thank you sir very thankfulness sir please do the needfulness and do not eat the beef cow praise vishnu

>>4788284
But enough about Islam.
>>4788288
If anyone deserves such a fate it would definitely be muslims so that makes sense

>>4788364
Name one heretical thing I have said that far. I’ll wait.

Also keep in mind I’m not catholic like the billion times I said before.

Agreed >>4788413 that this thread now belongs on x or pol. I still stand that OP and my first few posts were on topic from an, until a bunch of cringe atheists decided to derail. As you may note I’ve tried tying animals and their souls back into conversation with no avail

>>4788440
Look what you did atheists. You bought the x philes into our board

>>4788268
>Jesus just offers to take the punishment of the sin for you. Very simple concept to understand if you aren’t retarded

Except in reality, it's usually "Join the cult and follow the rules so you get paradise/avoid eternal conscious torture after you die."

And Jesus is supposed to be God incarnate so the need for punishment is entirely arbitrary.

Now I get why it's necessary to have religion and how it inspires people to improve and gives them meaning in life, and the theology of why God can do whatever he wants to us, et cetera.

But this smug insistence that "It's so simple guys, why don't you just believe?" is to be ignorant of your own history and common sense.

>>4789054
"A religion" (unquestionable dogma with a logical dead end, which confuses the brainlets and initially appalls the humans before they go "oh, right, i dont exist in a void") is needed for the low IQ and mentally ill. As you can see by starting a debate on veganism, people like autists will construct 9001 divergent systems of batshit insane morality without it. Also see: economics. Economics is an unrelated area of religious debate.

However, a specific religion? We don't need that debate here.

>>4788133
You get results from prayer like a gambler gets results from their "strategy".
Religious faith is FAR different from healthy faith. Healthy faith comes from mutual trust, and religious faith is one sided. Both my friends and scientific assertions can be interrogated and judged directly. I have a 1:1 dialogue with them without any power dynamic. I am not servile to either. I decide the control over my cognition any evidence has, and none are invulnerable to falsifiability.

Religion takes way more from you than you realize because one of the first stages of infection involves beating your mind into submitting fully to it without question. You did suffer abuse as a child, and your mind was forever broken in a way which makes you crave submission to a higher power. This is not healthy, but I'll admit Christianity is far from the worst thing such a broken mind can lean on. Christianity is no different in fundamental structure from the cult you were in as a child though. It has less awful late stages than most, but Christianity pulls the same manipulative tricks and mental molding of children into lifelong dependence which you suffered.

Let your crutch of blind faith carry you, but don't spread the infection. Enjoy the remission in silence.

>>4780568
 1. Animals have souls. (Genesis 2:19, 9:10, Ecclesiastes 3:21)
 2. The fate of mankind & animals is the same. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

 3. God makes a covenant with them post creation but before the last day. (Genesis 9:8–17) Animals that God’s promised before and after the time of Noah must be risen for the blessings of this covenant to be realized for them.

 4. God makes another covenant with them on the Last Day. (Hosea 2:18)

 5. They pray to, obey, in some animal-way worship God. (Job 38:41 Psalm 104:21) Balaam's Donkey could see & obeyed the preincarnate Jesus. (Numbers 22:21-39) Thus, animals are obedient Christians.

 6. That all creation is longing for palingenesis, which is in ancient Judaism is the belief that on the Last Day God will renovate the universe & everything into a glorified, immortal state. (Romans 8:18–25, Matthew 19:28)

 7. That all flesh / bodies possess seed & seed exists to be resurrected. This is within a hair's breadth of directly answering the question in the affirmative. (1 Corinthians 15:12-49)

 8. All things in heaven & on earth will be reconciled & reunited with God by Christ. (Colossians 1:15–20, Ephesians 1:7–10) Universalists will use these passages as a prooftext. In a sense, animal resurrection is a bulwark against universalism.

 9. Animals will inhabit the ruins of destroyed evil empires, punish evildoers in human history, & will be soldiers in Christ's heavenly armies on judgment day. Here again, animals are obedient Christians & God's unquestioning servants. (Leviticus 18:26–28, 26:22, Isaiah 34-35, Revelation 19:17–18, 1 Kings 13:24–29, 2 Kings 17:25)

 10. That animals will be in heaven. (Isaiah 11 & 66) [people own personal animals in the eschaton], (Multiple OT Prophets, Revelation 5:13), [which is the scroll Daniel couldn't read c. 500 BC revealed to John 1st century AD]

look up 'romans 8 shaman' on substack for my full article. 4garbage won't let me post the link.

>>4791923
>schizos write down the musings they shit out while high
>some retard 4000 years later: DIS DA WORD OF GOD
However genesis, exodus, numbers, etc are straight up lies and the schizos were wrong about everything except homosexuals being gross

There’s less nonsensical shit in cosmic death fungus threads. You may as well preach proto-hindu monotheism.

Just dropping in to say imagine hating Jesus Christ. It’s like hating the concept of goodness itself. Fucking whackos lol

>>4792197
>hey jesus here your wife needs to die because dangerous pregnancies are people too
Nah.
>>>/x/

>>4791997
Yes, every little thing is made and loved by god.
>>4792183
>attacks religion rather than discussing the post
Man atheists really are retarded. That be like going to a featherfag vs. Scaly Dino thread and be like. Man you can’t trust science their making the studies up and here’s absolutely no proof and some insults.
Fucking get a life rather than hating on Christianity it’s stupid, it’s annoying, and frankly it’s not even productive. Your not gonna prove someone who is devout in their religion wrong just by seething.
>>4791923
Based scripture referencer
>>4791295
>it’s like an illness cus I say so!
The demons are in your head. Repent
>>4789061
The different churches that explore different aspects of the trinity and wonders of the Holy Spirit are just like economic schools of though. Said absolutely nobody with even the simplest grasp on the christian church

>>4792200
life tip: lose weight and stop preaching schizo nonsense on the internet

your word of god was wrong about almost everything, it does worse than a coin flip on every issue, therefore it has nothing to do with animals and nature. your religion is not the true faith and your god is not the true god. the true god doesnt need post-hoc metaphor/poetry copes when their divine word turns out to be wrong about basic facts. like evolution, earth being round and billions of years old, there being no great floods, humanity not being descended from two jews, etc.

>>4792206
>word of god: jews wuz enslaved in egypt and had to run away
>written history according to everyone but the jews: jews ruled middle egypt and got kicked out
>ok ok god was speaking in metaphor to warn us about discrimination or something i mean satan personally altered all of known history to test us i mean…
>thats why evolution didnt happen! show me a fish turning into a horse right now!
These schizos, man.

>>4792206
>let me just name off some buzzwords about subjects that I don’t understand
>and if I can’t understand it that must mean it isn’t true!
Let me know if you want genuine answers on any of those subjects. But as you said. Not /an/ related.
However the subject of ANIMAL souls. Is.

>itt. Atheists being retarded and trying to start fights over on topic posts.

>>4792209
>word of god. Jews did rule Egypt at one point. (Joseph) and were endlaved in very few generations after that. Then were asked to leave by pharaoh after the exodus signs.
Wow the word of god and written history line up? Crazy.
Also evolution did happen. And is currently happening very rapidly. I can show you fish speciation in under 2 years…

>>4792212
Not an argument

Your god is not the true god. The true god isnt wrong about every other thing with a loyal legion of “issa metaphor” copers. Nothing your fake book says about animal souls can be trusted. If your god is the true god let him stop sending tornados, plagues, hurricanes, and inherited stupidity to his most loyal followers while pot smoking hippies and heathen asians live in peace and prosperity.

>>4792215
They were never enslaved, ever. They were kicked out. History does not line up. Also, the earth is round, totally lackint corners, and over 4 billion years old. man evolved from a chimplike ape. Women were not made from ribs. There was no worldwide flood. It gets worse and worse the more its scrutinized.

Either its not the word of your god, and your god decided to let you be wrong while im going to heaven, or your god is not the true god. As the god depicted is so wrong all the time its sage to call it an imaginary false god loosely based on the unknowable real one.

Therefore I will not be believing one fucking thing your book says about animals, or anything, until the true god sends metatron down to tell me to, or an asteroid hits congress as they lift the federal cannabis ban and guarantee the right to pre-viability abortion.

>>4792216
>>4792220
The amount of seethe LMAo

Look at the pic in this post again >>4787831
 cus you hit every single point on it LOL

>>4780568
I think anything that lays eggs has a different soul or spirit than that of a mammal(human). Insects would be a mass of spirits and something like arthropods would have a small spirits. I don't think an amoeba could house a spirit.
Also keep in mind what you call a soul is very small as is.

>>4792216
True God is pretty incomprehensible and unknowable......

>>4792183
>proto-hindu
??
The Vedic religion was based and there’s a lot of practical wisdom to glean from it
>>4792198
>implying the overwhelming majority of abortions are done for health reasons and not so women can continue to slut it up without consequences
If abortions were purely done in the case of life threatening nobody would have much issue with it

>>4792220
>obnoxious ledditard is a drug addict
it just keeps getting better

>>4791997
yes, everything. I did not address that in my article but I think this is true by inference. This post is my 2nd reply in this thread. like I said. look up Romans 8 Shaman / Romans 8 Worldview on substack.

All living things have souls, it's just some have greater souls than others. Amoebas have very weak lesser souls, but they still act on their own volition so they clearly have a soul even if it's a small one. A soul is the driving force behind a creature's actions. Something with a soul can act on its own volition without being acted upon. Humans have dominion over nature due to having higher and greater souls than the rest.
This is also why humans are subservient to God, because his soul is greater than a humans in the same way dogs are subservient to humans due to their souls being lesser
The hierarchy is as such
God > lesser gods > Mankind > Other

The christian god is not real

Sorry

The bible is constantly wrong. Real gods do not need ISSA METAPHOR cope squads or mental midgets shrieking shoddy psychoanalyses. Real gods never need soldiers of any kind. That’s how fake religions like scientology, mormonism, islam, and christianity operate.

>>4793090
Real gods also dont need to distribute wine and cannabis oil to keep people faithful, like yahweh did.

Good thing the real god killed that fraud so we dont hear from him anymore. A shame his cultists never got the message and keep worshiping false messiahs and banished demons.

>>4792887
The foundation of christian thought is that humans are actually greater than their god and dont have to listen, but have to follow him anyways because he has more violence

Thats because that was a fake god of course, just like humans are fake gods. Dogs can and would gladly ignore us. Compare huskies to border collies. They are equally smart and both are 3x dumber than a wolf. Border collies only listen because of the personality disorders we bred them to have. All that can make a dog subservient other than that is violence. Because we are fake gods. Just like your god - it was another kind of creature, just with more advanced “guns”.

The real god does not actually give a fuck about mortal affairs as long as no one usurps his position. The question of evil is human. To the real god, nameless and to us as we are to the worlds in our heads, evil is as consequential as a sneeze. Pain and suffering are temporary, memories are fake, death and birth never actually happen, and individuality is a thought experiment.

The real god does not care. As long as you never become a thought in their mind that insists it is actually god. Then you will be purged in a timescale that to the real god is an instant.

>>4793113
>their god didnt give us free will
>he admitted he was too powerless to have anything to do with it
>soul = being, willful separation from chaos as distinctly the self. simple as.
the simple answers beneath all theological copes

>>4780568
souls were made up by people to deal with the inevitability of death and the futility of life.

they also keep retards on their best behavior when nobody is looking. Souls aren't real. God isn't real. How stupid are you?

Leviticus says that Oxen have souls becuase they can be killed for goring someone. That's a divine condemnation.

even a being you might consider "primitive" and such exhibits behaviour you can classify as "soulful" (jumping spiders are curious and observant, rats can laugh and so on)
i think the most interesting thing is the fact we have innate understanding of animal language, even more so when you have a pet you love. like if you ever do a little wrestling with your dog or cat, playful aggression is a highly complex engagement between two parties where you're both in the clear regarding the levels of trust, pain threshold and the dynamics of the game
also from the religious standpoint, why did god made animals and their habitat first? i'd go so far as to say animals have a closer relationship to god because they don't have the capacity for malice, deception and destruction, at least not to the conscious extent people have

>>4780568
Souls arent't real and state atheism should be imposed at gunpoint

>>4795346
>but muh christians are so violent and evil!!!
>Yes I believe in shooting everyone who doesn’t believe in what I believe.
>don’t call me out! I can shoot you guys because your stupid and wrong
Behold, the worlds smartest atheist!

>>4795817
>christians: we are peaceful and compassionate people, do not do this to us. you are oppressing us. so much for atheist morality. we have as much of a right to preach lies as you have to preach truth.

>also christians: as soon as society swings right, we are shocking the gays until they save their own souls and give up this abominable sin. oh shit trump won because biden sucked more? go time!
>LISTEN. TO. GOD. *ZZZZZZZZAP* WHY WONT YOU JUST LISTEN TO YOUR CREATOR *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP* I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO BE A GOOD PERSON SO YOU DONT GO TO HELL *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ<wbr>ZZZAP* YOU'RE MAKING ME DO THIS. I HAVE TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL. *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP*
>Jebediah, once you're done electrocuting that fruit we need to convert some people to save them from hell
>Sure thing, ezekiel *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ<wbr>ZZZZZZZZAP*

>>4795827
Notice how the Christian replied directly to the comment, while the atheist had to make up a straw man to even have a point. Interesting.

>>4795827
Based jebediah and ezekiel setting the record straight, I hope whatever parody of a Christian state you have imagined does come to fruition while I watch and laugh from my cozy corner of the world

>>4795829
>>4795830
>i-it's a strawman y-you're making things up!
yawn
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50<wbr>50/us-christian-right-conversion-th<wbr>erapy-despite-bans/

also, electro-shock therapy may be banned today but there are plenty of people alive today that were subject to it in past decades. there are people alive today who still think it's a viable method of treatment and see nothing wrong with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_<wbr>CqGVfxEs
>inb4 inevitable screeching about netflix

>>4795817
>I just want to teach children things that are provably wrong because reality contradicts my religion at every turn. Why do you want to oppress me? So much for atheists supporting freedom.
>Anyways, little timmy, once you accept christ and are free from sin, you can cast the stone as long as it is against a sinner. that's why us christians can join the army to shoot islamists and defend israel. If they weren't terrorists, they wouldn't worship muhammad and deny christ. in fact, the bible tells us to!
>Can I shoot people who say humans evolved from monkeys and werent created by our lord god, dad? You said we're not monkeys last week but the guy on TV said we are. I don't want to be a monkey. I want to be the image of god.
>You sure will get to son, denying our lord is an unforgivable sin. the bible tells us this. but not yet. One day, we will bring everyone to kneel before our lord jesus christ. The armies of satan will not prevail! Now, here's how you load a STANAG. make sure you use a green tipped bullet every other round.

>>4795844
>christians: we're not like that
>christians: (yet)
Militant atheist: An elected official writing the bible out of US law
Militant christian: Domestic terrorists
The coming years will be hilarious due to roe v wade being overturned and the popular vote constantly trying to undo that on the state level. It's become apparent that elected republicans do not represent the people who voted for them and people simply thought they would never be able to turn the US into a christian nationalist shithole.

>>4795848
>It's become apparent that elected republicans do not represent the people who voted for them and people simply thought they would never be able to turn the US into a christian nationalist shithole.
the problem is that they do. there are multiple GOP politicians and lawyers whose entire careers were built around getting roe v wade overturned. in turn there's plenty of wacko rightoids that go to the polls only caring about a politician's stance on abortion and nothing else. single issue voting is a fucking cancer but there's nothing you can do about it in a winner-take-all system like the US's

>>4795855
Republicans run for the racists (everybody) and legislate for the hicks.

>>4795836
>inb4 inevitable screeching about netflix
Knowing you’re citing “””sources””” with an explicit agenda thus making you full of shit still means you’re full of shit
>>4795848
You don’t know what the word nationalist means and never will

>>4795844
>libshit once again sucks off le mooslims despite them believing nearly everything christians do
every time

>>4782851
Women and man have the same source, are flesh of flesh, bone of bone, aka of the same substance. Man and woman can become one. The son of God took His humanity from His mother. A believing wife can sanctify her husband.

Also yes animals have an animal soul. Souls aren't this absolutely generic fungible thing.

>>4787105
>Brainless fish things
You are so much more uneducated than you realize and it's embarrassing. Please at least try to study the things you're going to have a strong opinion about, especially if you're going to also consider yourself better informed and more intelligent than your opposition

>>4788364
I'm not offended by others having beliefs that contradict mine
>>4792198
You were human before you were born

Captcha SS88

>>4796156
Fetuses are brainless fish things for much of their development, especially when they get aborted. They don't even have a functioning PFC until towards the end of the second trimsester.

A fetus is not, and never will be a human life until it has a fully functional compliment of HUMAN organs, which includes human brain activity, which precludes survival outside of the womb. Otherwise it is a parasitic mass of cells. It's the moral equivalent of a sperm cell. Might as well call douching out jizz murder.

Anyone who is against abortions performed prior to the maturation of the CNS is doubtlessly an idiot
Thankfully while old white protties legislate, the actual majority is against these decisions and if abortion rights aren't restored soon the US might find out liberals are better armed than stereotypically thought.
Protip: We are. Rightoids fantasize about going rambo with a machine gun. I shoot 0.9 MOA from 800y out.

Think of it this way: For every anti-abortion kikestain that lives, hundreds of women die from dangerous pregnancies. For every abortion performed, literally nobody dies. Not none single human being.

Because fetus are not human beings.

>>4780568
There's no souls, It's an elaborate copium. When you die It's a dreamless sleep, same goes for our puppers unfortnately

>>4796166
Oh yeah dude, you and your gang of transgender communist militants with degrees in gender studies and maybe even jamal and pablo and achmed are gonna storm the capitol and gun everyone down before demanding abortion is restored and naturally this is going to be granted - two more weeks!! Holy shit you freakazoids are so delusional it hurts please keep going lmao

>>4796166
Most abortions are not performed for ‘life threatening situations’, it’s done so women (and men to an extent) can evade the consequences of their actions, not even Christian but that you’ve all embraced this talking point of calling the early stages of human life a “parasite” so you can justify being promiscuous is such a perfect encapsulation of liberal ideology it’s beautiful so thanks for this I guess

>>4780576
There are no protohumans. If you can reproduce with humans then you are just as human as you or I. Neanderthals and Erectus could breed with us, therefore they are us. The Bible never once says the words homo-sapiens, but does say all human-kind. Sub-species are just as human as us from a biblical perspective.
I honestly don’t think humans evolved desu. I think God made us much more personally than the rest, if out of the same building blocks as the rest of life on Earth. Look into X Chromosomal Eve and Y Chromosomal Adam.

>>4796285
>faced with an actual argument
>responds with incoherent seething
many such cases

>>4796913
>the actual argument in question:
>“make it legal again or I sperg out”
cool

>>4796922
>>“make it legal again or I sperg out”
who are you quoting? you got mad because he called a fetus a "brainless fish thing", he responded with (correctly) detailing that it is effectively a parasite during the stages when most abortions occur, and you in turn responded with a buzzword-laden spergout.

>>4796924
>who are you quoting?
>and if abortion rights aren't restored soon the US might find out liberals are better armed than stereotypically thought.
Learn to read before embarrassing yourself like this, not reading the rest of your drivel since I’m here to laugh at you and not treat you like an equal capable of debate, so continue dancing for me please

>>4796975
>Learn to read before embarrassing yourself like this
implying your posts are worth reading. i popped in to see your meltdown, laughed at it, and that's it. i'm not reading the rest of your retardation in the thread, sorry.

>>4797008
It wouldn’t be my post you’re reading you fucking idiot it’s the guy you’re sucking off man you just keep getting better im all out of peanuts so you’ll have to settle for my laughter instead please keep going

>get BTFO
>shits xer pants over getting BTFO because xhe doesn't have the intellect to reply properly
>"n-no i-i'm the one laughing at you! h-haha!"
grim. must be brown too.

>>4797236
who are you talking to? use your reply function

>>4797262
The voices in xhis head, of course.

>noooo you HAVE to give me a (You) because i gave you one you can't be doing this i'm in charge here
lmao

Everything has a soul. Even rocks.
Existence is built by monads.
Souls transmigrate toward higher forms in each successive lifetime.
Mineral kingdom > plant kingdom > animal kingdom > human kingdom > angelic kingdom etc
Everything is built by a hivemind of minds, matter doesn't actually exist it is an illusion, even under materialist quantum physics they admit that 99.99% of matter is just empty space between atoms.
Animals were previously plants and they will incarnate into human bodies at some point.
Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

>>4780605
>to justify killing and eating them.
this needs no justification.

>>4798275
Fish have facial expressions, vocal language, color change communication, and body language. I don’t know what your on about. Just because you can’t perceive it with your IQ of 32 doesn’t mean it isn’t there

>>4797321
There’s only one monad, heretic

I dont know why i expected non retards in this thread. i would say ITT but you bundle of sticks discord kids have no idea what that even means


Pongo general - Respectful Edition

Anonymous

Tell us, friends, what are your thoughts on the orange people and their need for respect?

>>4731008
just make sure you're protected from the heavy artillery

we will build a wall and make the ch!mps pay for it.jpg

>>4731010
But how will we protect ourselves from the VILE PESTILENCE KNOWN AS 'MAN'?!

I wish the mega pongo Gigantopithecus was still around. Imagine what they would be like, or massive baby pongos. We could teach them sign language and be friends, MEGA PONGO FRIENDS!

>>4731004
100% deserved, pongo are critically endangered and need to be protected. Not to be dressed up as tourist attractions.

>https://youtu.be/50T6oz63XuY
friends, i’m sure some of you are familiar with Ape Tracker. he uploads daily ape vids from his visits to zoos. one pongo family he uploads in particular is Jingga and Jarang. there’s lots of people in the comments concerned for jarang. some speculate his mother has rejected him, and it’s obvious there’s something wrong with his groin area. i’m worried now. are these concerns justified? is there anything we can do?

>>4731393
Pongo moms usually are pretty damn good mothers, but as always, there are exceptions to this rule. I can name at least two other than Jingga.

1. Poor Rambo, who does not even have the chance to be a mom to Benji, she doesn't know how, instead both her and her baby being constantly exploited for likes. She's less abusive and more apathetic, really.
2. Dilla. Poor, poor Dilla. BOS caretakers tried their hardest to have her accepted Delilah, but growing up in captivity made her not fit. And on top of that, she nearly bit into her newborn girl. Delilah is thankfully doing well nowadays, however.

>>4731437
unfortunately some are outright terrible mothers, it's almost always down to not being raised by their own mother and not seeing other females raise children
pic related - Amy was rejected by her mother and went on to reject or (possibly) kill all her offspring
her only surviving child was removed within an hour of being born
she didn't seem to mind his absence
thankfully Gordon is a big strong lad nowadays
>>4731393
this looks to be a very complicated situation
Jingga is feeding Jarang, and he seems to have good grip reflexes and nice bright eyes
but Jingga's methods of parenting do leave much to be desired
she's still looking after him though, even if shoddily, so the zoo staff will be reluctant to take him away for hand-rearing
they will likely be watching the two of them like hawks, making sure that he still gets fed and only removing him if the situation becomes life-threatening for him
the lump on his groin could be a number of things, but the keepers will likely be keeping an eye on that too
I don't think there's a solution that will make everyone happy, but I pray that the zoo staff are putting Jarang's interests first
baby Pongos are too precious to be left to chance

>>4731496
>>they will likely be watching the two of them like hawks, making sure that he still gets fed and only removing him if the situation becomes life-threatening for him
the lump on his groin could be a number of things, but the keepers will likely be keeping an eye on that too

I can only hope you're right, anon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass<wbr>-in-ear_behavior
>The grass-in-ear behavior, object-in-ear behavior[1] or grass-in-the-ear technique[2] is a fashion statement-like behavior that some chimpanzees do. The unusual behavior has been named by scientists, and it appears to be one of the first times that chimpanzees have created a tradition that has no discernible purpose.[3]

Pongobros... how do we respond?

>>4731633
ch!mps are not worth responding to

>>4731728
every pongo is uniquely delightful in their own way
as are you, friend

>>4731393
>>4731496
I'm 90% sure it's a hydrocele, which is pretty common and benign in healthy newborns
he's so developmentally behind though and I'm so worried about him

>>4732634
big lad feels love for all living things

>>4733455
I love the muted expressions on these little monkey fellers

>>4734719
>>4734754
and that's not even a spicy kind of pepper!

>>4734719
Gorillas are based but this isn't a gorilla thread, this is a pongo thread.

>>4734878
there's a meme on /ck/ where some white guy asks for his burrito to have really spicy hotsauce and the guy gives him ketchup
the guy takes a bite and is like "woah way spicy"
the joke being white people can't handle spicy food

>>4734719
This one always cracks me up. Wonder what prompted him to react like this.
>>4734887
pretty sure I know what you’re talking about and but it’s not a /ck/ meme
it is gay however

>>4734911
he farted in the original vid. maybe he was caught off guard by how obvious it was kek.

In awe of this absolute creature. I only hope BOS is making sure to protect her, even in the wild.

>>4736051
genuine question, do white people come from albino mutations of early humans

>>4736412
I always thought it was neoteny
baby chimps are born with really pale skin that darkens as they age

I've come to report that i had the pongo dream again

>>4736430
>>4736433
>>4736434
god
Bulu Mata has become such a tough and terrific big beautiful boy

>>4739728
>>4740007
>>4740766
their tummies
they require tickles

>>4736419
no, just a minor adaptation from not being in the sun all the time

>>4742050
i would build a sandcastle and blow away their cute little monkey minds

>>4742366
the Sarawak massacre
he was only following orders
it was so easy
so why won't the screams stop?

>>4742050
found his book
hope there's a chapter on sand play

Man, orangutans and other great apes are so cool

>>4744343
They're a look into what we could have been if we didn't take the wretched path of bipedalism.
(Gibbons get a free pass, though)

>>4736412
>>4741450
This, producing melanin requires extra energy, and nature always takes the path of least resistance.
Since the pale babies didn't turn into crispy lumps of cancer immediately upon exiting the womb, and they would have a better time surviving resource deficits, they pass on their slightly-more-energy-efficient genes, rinse and repeat for however many tens of thousands of years and you've got yourself a white person.

>>4746381
opportunistic little feller
well on the way to becoming a chunky munky

signature look of superiority towards the plebs.jpg

https://twitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/s<wbr>tatus/1763832895255257194

Saw this today. Very majestic. Shows a certain amount of intelligence. Maybe were just focused on the wrong things. Although the ape wasn't being a pushover at all. The guy's gotta eat.

>>4748181
It’s crazy how many reactions we share with other primates. Any human child would’ve reacted like that too

>>4747286
Epic origin story
>>4748185
He knew what he was doing

>>4736412
Ice age Europe was dark and there was very little Vitamin D. Darker skinned humans died while light skinned humans survived.

>>4748670
Pretty much. Even today dark skinned immigrants people living there have vitamin D deficiency issues and need to take supplements

POV: you're a make pongoloids go extinct button

>>4748321
I think about this constantly, even something as simple as nodding or widening your eyes when you're talking to someone to show you're engaged with them. It's crazy when you really analyze our body language.

>>4748181
does no one really have the source/background for this video? i hope his mom soothed him after :(

>>4747286
>>4748670
since you fellas know so much about skin color, is there any neat explanation as to why baby pongos have marbled skin?

>>4750602
you’re a monster. the fuck is wrong with you?

>>4750693
quit yakking and give that lad his durian

>>4752080
Rickina (bottom) has a little lad of her own
Rocky (top) has been successfully re-released into the wild

>>4752520
what a beautiful pair of pongos
thanks for sharing, friend

>>4731714
I didn't know Oshine liked her men femenine, does this mean she's into flangelets?

>>4753184
Oshine only has eyes for a grouchy old Derbyman

>>4754099
Holy shit, how strong are they?? Imagine if he grabbed a hold of his cock

>>4749888
in my years of searching, closest I've found is this nearly identical style swing at wanariset (proto samboja lestari)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj5<wbr>Z4k5EuXs&t=1352s

>>4754135
Humans are, by an embarrassing margin, the weakest of the great apes by weight.

>>4731004
It's so fucking over bros. The new Indonesian president is backed by the previous one, a Jawaknigger, whose main project is moving the capital to Borneo. Ecpect more deforestation, habitat loss, and animals extinction. I fucking hate jawak so much.

>>4754390
I wish oh how I wish I had all the money in the world so I could buy up a bunch of Indonesia and just let the Pongos chill

>>4754390
We need to arm the pongos and let them fight for their freedom.

>>4750970
What are otters supposed to learn from an orangutan?

>>4754261
>>4754135
Humans are much stronger than chimps and orangutans. Cope, seethe, and dialate

>>4749888
I hope his mom was butchered by poachers and someone kicked him in the nuts after this

>>4755104
That’s kinda crazy. Harmful, but also funny. Guess we share a lot of tastes

>>4755555
a question was asked cocksucker stop sperging out

>>4755583
Trained humans are much stronger by weight
>but that's only because animals can't weight train!
Too bad. Guess humans destroy drooling retard animals once again.

>>4755564
a splendid chap and a devout imperialist is what a pongo is

>>4755620
they just remember the reign of the white rajahs of Sarawak

>>4756564
but legitimately, the pongo Betsy was an important part of Rajah Brooke's court.
She would sit next to him while he judged the fate of the Dayaks and crocodiles of the land.
In many ways she was his éminence grise.

>>4756872
wtf
why can't Bonnie King Charlie head to a zoo or sanctuary every once in a while and consult with the flanged ones?
half the problems in Bongerlund would be solved overnight

>>4759616
God baby pongos are so precious

>>4731633
with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0B<wbr>zEKP_exQ

apes are not real, they're just people in fursuits.

>>4763685
>implying we didn't already think Pongo are people
try harder, sweaty

>>4748321
>child
I'm 42 and I'd react like that

>>4763779
I like how they have a natural instinct to wear hats

>>4763855
Unironically the most fashionable of the great apes. Majestic orange fur and a desire to wear hats.

Aŋonymous

Are orangutans smarter than chimps? I haven't found much info. What's seems to be well established is that both chimps and orangutans are smarter than gorillas

Anonymous

>>4767319
I think they're about the same, but pongos are way more patient
if a pan doesn't get his way quickly, he tends to get violent but a pongo will just sit and think or wait for a fresh opportunity

>>4767319
in many ways yes, but it's not that simple.
Pongos can delay gratification more than pancakes, which is usually seen as one of the biggest hallmarks of intelligence. Ch*mpoids simply can't overcome their animal urges, even if it means a larger reward in the future. So you give a pongo two bowls of grapes, one large and one small, and then take away whichever bowl they pick. The pongo will quickly learn to pick the smaller bowl so they'll get to keep the bigger bowl in the end.
Chumps cannot comprehend this. They always pick the big bowl and get the small one, and then chimp out about how unfair this is.
Pongos have demonstrated communication skills and thought processes that were previously believed exclusive to humans. They can communicate with each other about events AFTER they've passed. Their calls contain traits only found in birdsong and human speech. They have the capacity to be far more socially intelligent than African apes, even though they don't use it.
Pongos do fail at least one test that chimps have occasionally passed: invisible nonadjacent double displacements. For context, humans don't start passing this test until pretty deep into childhood. You basically hide objects inside boxes and play a sort of three card monty where the only way to win is to skip past adjacent boxes.
Pongos can't resist the urge to check consecutive boxes, while chimps occasionally can (more than random chance). There's some barrier holding back their thoughts.
Also, it's worth pointing out that some pongos aren't even as smart as others. Sumatran pongos are way smarter than all three subspecies of Bornean pongos. And among those, P. morio are the least intelligent, though it's hard to say if this is just because they have poor nutrition in East Kalimantan (they eat bark all day long). Pongos are smarter where it counts, I still reckon.

>>4748321
We are pretty similar to the other apes but with children it's even more so. Humans are pretty neotenous so the differences get bigger as both species age but baby orangutans almost look like hairy human babies to me.

>>4767319
Gorilla's may be "dumber" than Chimps but are spiritually superior.

>>4749776
>Checks for traffic as he crosses
Smart monke

>>4768816
i’m glad they’re enjoying their fruit and all but a part of me can’t help but wonder if their faces get sticky and bothers them!!

>>4768912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbY<wbr>NRrgD-UQ
it's okay, they're cleanly fellows

>>4768923
it’s always the most mundane shit that blows my mind when it comes to pongos. when she started ringing out the towel i was amazed. they’re so smart.

>>4768955
just wait and see what happens once they get the big society going

>>4732634
Ol' chap knew exactly what he was doing. What a pure soul they have.

>>4737007
This is exactly what I look like when I pull the shower curtain aside and watch my wife in the shower. Lel.

>>4754099
What do you have to do to piss an orangutan off so badly he decides alright, it's on now bitch? And starts kicking your ass.

>>4754261
That's cool. We have swords and guns. And tanks.

>>4770987
Probably teasing or annoying it? Looks vaguely third world

>>4748181
I wish I could have saved him bros...

>>4755564
Childhood. A simple life. Inner peace. Freedom. Trusting my intuition. Being one with nature.

>>4771503
just someone being unfriendly
pay no mind

>>4752520
I can't believe she already has a child of her own, i still remember my heart melting at that one video of her as a baby

Yesterday I dreamed that some evil people captured a mother pongo and her child. They put them in two separate cages on the ground, like two feet apart. It's a steel cage with bars so that both orangutans can see each other. Then the humans lit the small one on fire. The mother had to watch.

>>4772735
I've had similar dreams. sometimes I'm powerless to stop them, sometimes I'm watching myself do it
I like the idea that dreams can be hypothetical worst case scenarios, to condition you to respond properly if the situation arises. or maybe we just crave trauma

Infant orangutan in Gunung Leuser National Park, Sumatra.png

anons, can we appreciate how Onyer went from a terrified little baby ape to a silly guy goofing off just like that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH-<wbr>vZOXldMA

adorable little fella, hope he'll live a good life

>>4776537
>looks around to make sure he hasn't embarrassed himself in front of anybody
Me

>>4778103
>that belly
What's he full of?

>>4778193
Nothing but piss to irrigate you with

>>4778228
But pee is stored in the balls

>>4778103
genuinely i think swinging from the trees with your dick out pissing from the highest branches must be satisfying as fuck

>>4772735
today I had a dream where I was wearing a dress. and somehow didn’t have pants or underwear on either.

What does this mean bros?

>>4780177
a love of hats is a trait shared by all

>>4780284
love their goofy little smiles
they kinda remind me of old people

>>4780360
Well yeah, look at all the wrinkles

>>4780417
how come humans are so much smoother? i mean that orangutan looks fairly young yet still wrinkly

>>4779384
Idk what would be more entertaining. The head shot or watching it fall lifelessly out of the tree

>>4778234
You have to be 18 to be on 4chan

>>4782119
Woah
Don’t think I’ve ever seen one bare their teeth before
Pretty intimidating

>>4779384
Good luck trying to aim with a scope covered in yellow

>>4782136
it's a good thing they only feel anger towards palm oil consumers

I fucking love orangutans, man. Remember that episode of drake and josh where that fucking prick wanted to eat one

>>4783853
no, but I remember that episode of futurama where that big alien nearly ate one

>>4783855
Yeah it's cool though they call the cops on the rich guy trying to eat her

>>4783859
aw man what a cutie
should be with his/her mom though :(

>>4783859
>>4783863
I'm almost certain that's Archie. He was about that age in 2007, And he even had that same exact hairstyle. Archie was an "animal actor" at the time. Spent a few years at Universal Studios as an attraction, which is just as bad as any Thai zoo if you've ever seen it. He must have had an absolutely terrible childhood.
Oh, and then he moved to some nice place in Florida and had a little girl, I think you might know her name :-)

>>4783853
Yes I do. They sold it for a couple thousand dollars and then stole it back iirc. Good times

>>4784011
Archie has won the game of life by overcoming the hell that is child stardom and gaining a happy home for his own children
were we all so fortunate

>>4759616
this says a lot about our society

>>4770987
Being in a shitty cage probably didn't put him in a great mood to begin with.

>>4754099
what would the injuries be had the cage not been there? are we talking broken bones or a travis level tragedy?

>>4785414
it would for sure bite the shit out of him and maybe break his leg, but I don't think orangutans usually go for the groin or face when they're pushed to violence

>>4785414
It looked pretty pissed off so I suspect some biting would be on the menu far sooner than it was actually attempted

>>4785414
>>4785498
>>4785500
just going by what males do to eachother, they can destroy us pretty handily in a fist fight
I'm just glad pongos seem to know their own strength and stop short of anything fatal
they should be respected just like any other creature capable of doing great harm to you

>>4731633
reminds me of that dad joke
My friend came up to me with a carrot in his ear so I asked him
"Why do you have a carrot in your ear?"
and he responded
"WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I HAVE A CARROT IN MY EAR!"

Screenshot 2024-05-02 at 19-18-13 Wounded orangutan seen using plant as medicine.png

>>4787682
this hurts to look at it but wow it actually healed quite nicely

>>4749893
god felt that they weren't cute enough

>>4787682
His eyes are so human here. Lots of emotion expressed

>>4787682
How many levels of abstraction is this monkey on? That's fully human behavior.

>>4743790
you guys think he ever finished this book?

>>4787011
this is funny on such a fucked up level.. of all the fingers he could’ve bitten off he chose the most important and OP one. and the orangutan probably knows that too.

>>4788032
it's equally appropriate to say what we do is pongo behavior

>>4787682
I just came here after seeing this news

>>4787682
>>4789868
>news
I mean... we've known about this behavior for years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41<wbr>598-017-16621-w

>>4789375
I don’t think that’s true at all.

>>4788188
please understand
books are long

>>4790038
>>4789375
>>4788032
to be absolutely objective about it, they're both classic dryopithecine behavior

Why did God keep making animals when he already reached perfection with the orangutans?

>>4792229
same reason He gave Scotland terrible weather
we can't have too much perfection
>>4792351
Bongs made a mistake letting the Malayans have Sarawak
North Bornean Commonwealth when?

>>4792366
>North Bornean Commonwealth when?
That would definitely be interesting lol

>>4792351
for what fucking purpose? what, like, to encourage palm oil production, or giving them a pongo in exchange for _limiting_ their palm oil production?

>>4792506
encourage, of course
it's probably the most deranged thing I've ever heard

>>4792942
dudes just wanting to be friends
>>4793314
>>4792571
>>4792506
>>4792351
what terrible optics
"we cut down all our trees for cash crops
order in bulk now and you will receive the monkey that used to live in them"

>>4793314
>>4793322
Holy shit. That’s crazy. Surely this violates some international law on animal trafficking right?

>>4737007
why does he look like kurt angle in that one meme

>>4792351
>>4793322
>>4793391
The dumbest fucking part is that it's specifically targeted at the EU.
Malaysia got super mad after the EU said theyll ban nonsustainable palm oil/coffee/rubber...etc (law goes into effect december 2024).
Malaysia interpreted this as a direct sanction.
So like... the commodities minister is trying to bribe the EU into changing that law before it goes into effect.

>>4793351
While there are international agreements about controlling trade of endangered species - the "Convention of international trade in endangered species" being the most notable, said agreements rely on member governments to determine what is and is not legal to transfer out of a country. So if the Malaysian government says shipping orangutans is okay, no international agreement has been broken. As other have noted, this would be pretty similar to what the Chinese government has been doing with pandas and sending them abroad to zoos.

just saw kingdom of the planet of the apes<br>not enough pongo, but still very good

>>4793415
>>4793424
Guess Pongo numbers are gonna take a hit from this then. Hope it doesn’t get too bad
>>4793439
What a lengthy mouthful of a title

I was watching discovery channel's the ultimate guide to great apes and suddendly this pongo carrying a fucking trunk wiht its mouth came up.<br>How the fuck does he do it?

>>4793849
Here you can see it isn't attatched to a tree and actually carrying it with its mouth

>>4793849
>>4793852
feller's doing some landscaping

>>4793849
have you never seen a adult orangs fangs?? monster monkey fang grip power

>>4795644
oh my goodness she is so wonderfully rotund https://youtu.be/cwPo9vNEMgw

>>4731393
>>4731437
>>4731496
>>4732471
Apparently there's another newborn at blackpool now
https://youtu.be/GnIvztuOP2Y?si=vVv<wbr>Z7zTzJSXy9xYe
I'm heading there tomorrow, hopefully I can see one of them at least to give a progress report.

>>4795644
oh great. a female fat ass version of Benni. so gross, she is probably a disgusting lazy pig too

>>4798551
dumb fuck. she was put on a diet and lost weight. kill yourself joyless retard.

Can someone help me make sense of this? I get chaotic evil because that's bad manners (at least by human standards) but it's almost the same as chaotic good. And why is neutral evil considered evil, is it because the orangutan is playing with its food?

>>4798391
oh my goodness
mum looks so tired. hope she gets plenty of rest. we’ll be eagerly awaiting your update anon.

>>4798629
i think some just wanted to make a collage of funny orangutans eating. none of the choices really make sense.

>>4798629
The NE pongo is obvious, he is using black magick in order to pervert the laws of nature to levitate his bounty
The contrast between CG and CE is that the chaotic good pongo displays humility in his indulgence while the chaotic evil pongo brazenly raises his chin skyward in arrogant defiance of our moral codes

>>4798820
lol u r the true neutral one licking the carton
>>4798920
and u r the lawful good one

>>4799083
>M’sia
Ok, what is with this weird fucking word and why am I seeing it everytime I open the thread

>>4799136
Pretty sure it's just an abbreviation of Malaysia

>>4799141
I figured but it seems so… off. I don’t ever see it before now

>>4799083
>We live in a world where pongos can stroll into stores and just take stuff
They should find it and force it to repay the money it owes

>>4799762
>>4798647
>>4798391
Oh I was just going to say, I made it to Blackpool to see the lads. Came all the way from America just for this, so it was a bit of a journey.
Can confirm the new baby is a boy, and he's looking great. Summer is doing a fantastic job.
They have her and her baby together with Jingga and Jarang.
Jarang... well it's really tough still. He's getting stronger since the last Ape Tracker video, but just barely. Jingga still carries him around like a ragdoll most of the time, when she's not leaving him alone on some ledge. I did see him hanging onto her ventral side for a short while, and he was sitting upright on his own for a little bit. But he's very shaky. He still struggles to move and grasp. He still has that big swelling in his groin. And he's so extremely small for his age, which is something you don't really register from the videos. He's hardly bigger than the newborn.
Speaking of which, I saw Jingga staring at Summer and the newborn quite a bit (and vice versa). I can only hope that means she'll learn a thing or two about how to hold a baby. That's what the staff planned for by putting them together, at least.
Actually, my secret hope is that Summer just steals Jarang and raises them both like over at Dudley Zoo. If that's even enough.
I don't know if it's just Jingga's parenting or if there's something congenital going on. Is Jingga acting that way toward Jarang because he is too weak to grasp, or is he too weak because of her parenting? Maybe both? Anyway, I don't think it's the staff. There's signs posted everywhere about how they understand what is happening is a challenge, and parts of the enclosure are blocked off from view for privacy. I think they really are trying to help in an utterly impossible situation. I was on the fence about that idea until I actually saw the place firsthand. Utterly heartbreaking to see.

>>4784011
To be fair, Hollywood ruins the lives and childhoods of humans too

>>4798629
All of the evil ones should be flangelets

>>4799788
That’s tough to hear. I hope Summer and the new baby’s presence has a positive impact on Jingga and Jarang as well. A part of me is more… assured since apparently there’s signs and stuff now, clearly many concerned patrons have reached out, but it’s saddening to hear Jarang hasn’t made much progress. I wonder if he has some kind of developmental disorder. Even if he’s not hitting milestones like walking and clinging, how is it that he’s still the size of a newborn? You’d think he grow in size regardless. But admittedly I don’t know much about babies. Thank you for the update anon.

where can i watch the full episodes of orangutan jungle school?

>>4800757
Simthsonian (Paramount+) for the US version. Sky Nature for the UK version. NHKオンデマンド for the superior NHK recut.
https://www.nhk-ondemand.jp/program<wbr>/P201900195900000/

>>4799788
>>4800203
finally got the photos off my phone