/herp/ - Reptile and Amphibian General

Rare Gecko Edition

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This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered
Classifieds for finding breeders and products:
>morphmarket.com
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>caudata.org
Most forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.

When asking a question, make sure to include these details:
>Type and size of animal
>Enclosure dimensions
>Humidity and temperature
>Type of substrate
>The decor you use
>How often you feed
>The type of food you use
>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred
>How often you handle
>Who you bought the animal from

Other Helpful Resources
www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com
www.joshsfrogs.com
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com
http://www.anapsid.org
http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.h<wbr>tm
https://www.americanmadeexotics.com<wbr>/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html<wbr>
http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatr<wbr>eptileblog/

Why can't I find female banded geckos for sale?

>>4781560
It's worth it, I've seen a bumper crop of Dekays Brown Snakes locally this spring, a few Garters but no Racers or Nerodia yet.

To the anon who suggested wax worms, you're a champ. Threw one in a dish with a couple small meal worms and he snatched it up immediately. Sorry for the bigfoot-tier pic, didn't want to get too close and spook him or anything.

>>4781799
Careful with those, they can actually be habit-forming for some reptiles. They're really high in fat, so they're apparently so tasty some reptiles will stop eating anything else. Once you get some meat on him try to maybe mash some and coat other bugs in imtheir guts if he starts getting picky.

>>4781804
I've heard that before, definitely only going to try a wax worm every other feeding, not only because of the addictive quality, but because theyre fucking huge compared to him.
Actually it's funny, with how quickly he was on that thing despite it actually moving much less than the meal worms, I wonder if he was fed them before, hell, I wonder if that's part of the problem, maybe I bought a worm addict.

>>4781474
That thing looks sick. Where can I purchase one and are they recommended for beginners?

>>4781877
do they have shitty laws or something

>>4781941
Yeah, they won't export anything. I mean, they have a Tuatara captive breeding program that's producing more young than they have space for in the sactuary islands, but they barely let zoos have them (they are all technically on loan much like Giant Pandas are with China).

Anyone skilled in handling wild sneks? How do people capture and hold them while keeping them chill? I practice when I see a non venomous one and can lift them up with a stick and move them around, but once I try to touch it, it freaks out. <br>Also, how would you safely capture a wild viper? I'm in fer de lance territory and see 2-3 of them a year. I would like to be able to safely relocate one, if it is ever necessary.

What are some low maintenance, small, animals? That wouldn't roll-explode-and-die if a lamp was off for a day? I want some resilient motherfuckers. I would built them a really nice place to live tho.

Is there like a www.resilient-motherfuckers-list.ch<wbr>ad?

>>4782038
don't bother with hots unless you fancy visits to the hospital.
as for non venemous.. er it really depends on the temperment of the snake, but generally so long as they dont feel pinned then they will be more chill (this means allowing them to move around, and just giving them an effective treadmill with your hands handling them). be careful about grabbing near neck/head as that's especially sensitive for obvious reasons, similarly the tail. your best bets to pick them up mid body. obvious that's not always viable.

I have about a 10-20% success rate at getting a calm nerodia, but they're known spastics. I'm much better off with rat snakes or rough earth worm or dekays (yes I know that pins a region in the states, no I don't care).

>>4782038
The way I handle wild snakes is to hold them loosely and let them move through my hands and just go hand over hand. I was told a very long time ago that doing to let them think they're moving and it helps calm them. All bets are off on venomous snakes though, use a hook and don't give it enough slack on the head end to strike at you.

>>4782069
I'm getting a lot of colubrid snakes. Most common is Leptodeira annulata (cat eyes snake) and the last bigger one was a parrot snake. I can pick them up and move them with a stick just fine, but as soon as I try to support them with a finger, they get very agitated. Is it just a matter of trying enough and finding one that doesnt mind?
I also have a bunch of turnip tailed geckos around the house and outdoor kitchen. Really fun housemates and they eat the roaches.
The reason I'm asking for the vipers, is in case they get too close and dont want to leave on their own. Usually I can prod them with a stick and direct them back into the forest, but I had a case of a very stubborn one that stayed around the living space for a long time.

>>4782080
I get the principle of treadmilling, just have trouble with the step between snek on the ground and snek in my hands :)
I'm currently keeping my distance from vipers, just want to eventually be able to move them if necessary. The locals just kill them. I'd rather be able to relocate.

>>4782086
aren't both of those mostly arborial spazzes? I wouldn't be surprised if you're having a hard time handling flightly snakes, hence my comparison for nerodia (water snakes) as they are incredibly spastic/flighty and get nervous easily. In any case, you're going to have to learn the specific species habits and learn how to tell if the snakes stressed or not. I assume you're more offering the snake to move onto your hand rather than try to grab it from above/below.

>>4782096
The cat eyes snakes are moving on the ground quite a bit and its the species I see the most. The parrot snake should be mostly aborial, but that one came straight into the kitchen one day.
I try to move slow, not be threatening and not just grab them. Pick them up with a stick around mid section and let them slide onto a finger, but they always freak out on contact with the hand.
I guess I'll keep trying and learn about how they react.

>>4781799
anoles in the wild eat a lot of really small bugs too, crickets may be on the large side. frequently I'll see our local anoles snacking on 40+ gnats or similar sized 'small' insects.

>>4782068
easiest lizard imo is cresties/gargs. no live feeders needed, no additional heat needed, only thing is they need misting but you can set up an auto mister for like $40. and unlike a lot of mist-required reptiles they will also use a water bowl so you have a backup water source if a mister fails.

Most reptiles in general will be OK without heat for a day as long as your home stays in the upper 60s. Generally tropical/humid reptiles are less temp sensitive than desert stuff that requires oven tier temps.

>>4781474
How can I make a minipond to attract frogs to my garden?

>>4782122
The only thing I've caught him eating were fruit flies and bean beetles (i tend to feed him a little bit of every feeder I have), so he definitely also likes small prey items. The problem with that is that he doesn't seem to actively hunt them down a lot, or see them well from a distance. Granted, he may just be hunting the stragglers in the viv while I'm at work or something. Would explain why I still saw dark parts of his shit even when I wouldn't see him eat.

>>4782163
Ponds are pretty simple from what I understand, dig big hole, fill with plastic liner and clay, throw a good layer of soil back in to create mud at the bottom for critters.
You'll probably want a filter though, unless you're okay with a stagnant swamp puddle

>>4782163
>>4782258
Looks pretty easy, just a fair amount of work digging pits and humping rocks.
https://youtu.be/P3d7DeNmiko

>>4782126
wtf they are asking the equivalent of like $8k for those in my cuntry, importing is forbidden
they look amazing tho

>>4782474
where? it shouldn't last if you have some in the country and breeding is legal though, cresties in particular are pretty prolific breeders. They were pricy in the early 00s here but now you can easily find crested geckos for like $40. Gargs are still usually well over $100 though.

>>4782163
Most important thing is to have your pond go below the local frost line or your frogs will freeze to death hibernating.

Need help identifying these. Found in an old fountain in Southeast Florida.

>>4782951
Look like invasive snakeheads, better kill em.

>>4783189
I suspected there was next to no chance they were native. Feelsbadman

>>4783207
Don't be retarded anon, snakeheads are (distinctive looking) fish. Your tadpoles are hard to identify - they're not cane toads, and they don't look round enough to me to be Cuban tree frogs, so they're not the two main invasive suspects. Just raise them, and then keep them, and it won't matter.

It doesn't really matter anyways, they're mass spanwers. You took six out of potentially hundreds in a single, small vernal pool. Just enjoy your frogs.

>>4783217
The situation is that they're probably going to get killed so I wanted to know if they were invasive and could be left alone or worth gathering up as many as I could. I took a few to identify them.

I am once again considering a leopard gecko but terrified the novelty will wear off and I will be stuck buying/raising live insects for a pet that no longer brings me joy for the next 20 years. I have had insect eaters in the distant past (Water dragon, newts) and liked them, but I just have snakes and aquarium fish and its so low maintenance its unreal. The plants are more of a pain in the ass than the snakes are.

>>4783533
They live for 20 years? You’re right, that’s a pretty big decision to make, best to think about it carefully

>>4783533
It's good that you even think about it that hard to begin with.
My biggest problem with leos (and most geckos in general) is their tendency to be nocturnal.

He finally ate for just the second time this calendar year and it was only a hopper when he had been on small adult mice
But it's better than nothing, I was really getting worried with how skinny he was looking
Also wtf is this behavior

>>4783654
>Also wtf is this behavior
Snakes don't really acknowledge the laws of gravity in a normal way.

Well /herp/ i plan om getting another reptile/amphibian. Budget would be about 2-3k for animal+ enclosure+setup<br>Any recomendations? also upkeep cost is not a problem unless the creature eats for insane amounts of money (200+/month)

>>4783764
Gu or if you want to go even larger then Asian Water or Black throat Monitor

Caught this angry lil snapper in the stream, can we get mspaintanon in here

>>4783843
Cute. I'm gonna go look for more tree frogs, all the ones I've seen so far have been green but I hear plenty more other calls so there must be other species nearby.

I didnt get to meet Emily at the expo today. Line was way too long. Well it wasn't long long, but it took longer because people were giving them stuff and shit. But let's just say that the people who arrived at 10 AM were still waiting at 4pm.

>>4782951
Did some studying and I think they're cane toads. Shit sucks.

>>4783962
they're probably some species of tree frog going by their eyes

What do you love most about reptiles/amphibians?

>>4783764
Your options are so insanely broad with those criteria, so I’ll say big fukken frog

>>4784134
Frog 2 tegu 1 o shid am i gona have to get bull frog am i not /an/ gona wait and see here

>>4784141
I'll throw my vote in for a fuckoff large planted tank with firebelly toads or something

>>4784018
That they are cute, and look cool.

Subsequently because of such and being lonely living by myself once I get back from my trip to Europe I might get a bluetongue skink.

>>4784018
Reptiles look like living mosaics and they are very zen. Amphibians are completely bizarre looking yet harmless unless you put them in your mouth like a retard, which I find charming. None of them make loud annoying sounds like parrots or dogs.

Got a new enclosure for my hognose and it's been a night and change in behavior, he's way more active and exploring instead of permanently burrowed and it's really cool to see.

>>4784018
They look cool and some can do cool stuff. Sucks that the coolest ones are hard to get a hold of

>>4783843
looks like a musk turtle, verifying now.

>>4784524
if you didn't release him I would be interested in him, if he is a musk.

>>4783843
if you didn't release him and he is a musk, I would be interested in a barter.

>>4783967
>>4783970
They were jet black in natural sunlight and their tail fins are indeed clear.

Hey, is it ok if I use super glue to seal a corner on my boa constrictor's enclosure? The silicone came out and I can't find any that doesn't have anti-fungal chemicals in it.

>>4785001
Superglue is completely inert once dried, fishlads use it for aquaria. Just make sure it is fully dried before you put them back.

>>4785001
GE silicone1 should be available at any big box hardware store, and it's just silicone and salicylic acid (which is why is smells like the world's worst salad dressing). if you're looking at the label and seeing "mold resistant" or something instead of checking out the material safety data sheet for the product you might be being mislead, because pure silicone is, by itself, already mold resistant.

>>4785272
Painted looks correct. I'm glad you guys are getting out there and seeing field herps.
Price unrel

Anyone keep reptiles in outdoor enclosures?

My leopard gecko has been pooping only urates with no shit the last 3 or 4 times, about a week now. He still eats though and is mostly normally active, although he's getting close to a shed now, so he is less active today. I've increased his humidity a lot for the past 2 days but still no shit. Can he be constipated if still eating normally and pooping urates regularly? I noticed the urates are more yellow than usual.<br>When should I start getting worried? He's on paper towel btw

>>4785369
Maybe low heat? I'd think that would lower appetite, though?

>>4785325
yes, it's the best way to keep rock iguanas (and probably a majority of reptiles available in the pet trade)

>>4785378
His heating has not changed and it's only getting warmer outside. Forgot to mention that he's only ate mealworms for over a month now, since he suddenly stopped wanting to eat dubia and I don't have many other options. I dust all the food with calcium+d3+multivitamin

>>4785384
may still have an obstruction, undigested chitin can do that. give him a warm water bath? that can stimulate poops in a LOT of critters, and at the very least give him some extra hydration for the shed if he drinks. Just be prepared to swap out a clean bath once he shits in it, you dont want him stewing in that.

>>4785401
>warm water
Uh, be careful about this. 'warm' in human terms is uncomfortably hot for a reptile. If you want to give the leo a soak you want the water to feel lukewarm tepid at most. If you have an infrared thermometer go no higher than 90 F.

>>4785342
Just the tank size and a couple of decorations for enrichment, went from 15 gal to exo terra medium low. I think where I was keeping him might have an effect too, he used to be on the floor but I keep him on my nightstand now

>>4785493
Well yeah you obviously want to shoot for a few degrees below basking temp. It's also a good idea to keep soaks short because unless youre soaking BIG animals you're not working with a lot of water volume (for something like a leopard gecko we're talking maybe less than an inch of water), which means the water will get cold pretty quickly. Like 10-15 minutes at most. And OF COURSE supervised the whole time

>>4785315
>Painted looks correct. I'm glad you guys are getting out there and seeing field herps.
Little dude was in my yard, strange place to see them it wasn't really close to water at all. Least couple hundred feet.
Anything you can do to help them or best to just leave alone? (Sadly had to get in his face for the pic)

>>4785493
Thinking about the judge Alex episode when someone sued a caterer for a wedding because the chicken was cold
And the caterer smugly said the thermometer said the chicken was 90 degrees
And judge Alex said well if my body is 98 degrees, then chicken that's 90 degrees would be cold, and he ruled against them

But lol is that even how it works? Because 90 degrees of air temp feels warm as fuck despite being lower than body temp

This Gumbo my first pet hes a southern toad. Very photogenic, he has lots of good pictures.

>>4786366
Qrd of setup? Does he live underground or do you see him often?

It's toad season around me and my toddler loves frogs and I've got a spare couple planted but un-crittered terrariums around, so I'm curious...

>albino clawed frog was perfectly fine two days ago
>yesterday it suddenly wasnt able to move its back legs and kept having spasms
>died this morning
>look it up and turns out that this is a relatively common thing that happens to albino clawed frogs because of how inbred they are
Fuck bros, I still have another albino that's fine right now but I'm only going to buy normal colored ones from now on.

>>4786344
The medium changes a lot too, your body gives up heat much more easily in water than it does through open air, therefore making it FEEL colder, despite the actual temperature. Also worth noting that the greater difference in temperature increases the rate of heat transfer.
Thermodynamics are fun.

>>4786344
Skin temperature and core body temperature are not the same. Shoot yourself in the arm with the aforementioned infrared thermometer and you'll see its quite cooler than what you get from a thermometer under your tongue. If your skin is 87 degrees and it gets hit with 90 degree air it'll feel a little warm.
Sidenote: a caterer publicly admitting their food was served at 90 degrees is probably not going to be a caterer for very much longer and retarded besides, that is quite literally dead center in the temperature range in which food should never be served.

>>4786481
you have a toddler? what store do they sell those at?

>>4786481
I'd suggest scooping up some tadpoles, raising them and then releasing the toadlets. Gonna be more exciting for your toddler to experience their metamorphosis.

>>4786593
So much this, I did this with my mom when I was little, probably one of the most important formative memories of my entire simple life.

Found this lil fella outside my garage. He's harmless right?

>>4786770
>He's harmless right?
Yes. Some kind of garden variety colubrid.

>>4786770
Pituophis are notably grumpy dicks and like to larp as rattlesnakes with rapid tail waggles, but yeah he wont hurt anybody bigger than a mouse.

>>4786822
Getting some tincs this summer and im wondering what plants i should put in whit them? The enclosufe will be made out of glass and about 100×60×60cm

>>4786941
Tincts like low bushy plants they can hide under and climb in, I've got some sort of weird creeping fern that they love. Philodendrons also do excellently in the same vivarium conditions as dart frogs (almost as if theyre from the same biosphere), so thats a nice way to add more color to the setup too.

Is this stuff fine if I don't want to make my own substrate for a bearded dragon?<br>(As a side note, the first image on amazon is a 10 pound bag, the second is a 20lb bag, and the description says 20. I hope 20 pounds is enough. I don't really have a frame of reference for substrate)

>>4787025
20 pounds of substrate is probably not going to be enough, provided it's a properly sized enclosure for a beardie and you're putting a useful substrate layer in.
just go to your big box home improvement store of choice, grab a bag each of pic related and then top with and inch or two of that one.
if you want to be a HUGE GUY you can do like this guy did while you're at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIg<wbr>b-Dipr5g

>>4787034
Also throw in some excavator clay to help burrows keep shape

>>4785369
update
he shat a huge log then proceeded to shed immediately. I caught him eating the paper towel after he was done with the skin lol retard

>>4787077
Glad he's well, anon. Hope your little guy continues to enjoy good health.

>>4786770
No. Touch it and you die. Instantly.

>>4787077
I love reptile shedding. It’s so cool

>>4787034
Don't do play sand, it's super fine to the point its dusty and can fuck up your lizard's eyes or lungs. I learned the hard way and had hatchlings randomly die or keeping their eyes shut constantly.
You need coarse river sand like pic related. It's free if you take a bucket or two from a local river or stream

>>4787085
fine sand is good when mixed with soil and doesn't cause dust
coarse sand can cause intestinal blockage if eaten which is a risk

>>4787085
>>4787089
you can also wash washed play sand and get more dust out of it.

look at him climbin his lil branch. not a big climb by any means

>Keeping snakes in racks for their entire lives is fine
>Snakes are brainless biorobots without emotions
>There is such a thing as a too big enclosure
>Snakes won't make use of any vertical space so feel to make their enclosures as flat as you need them to be
>Snakes don't have the capacity for any sort of conscious thought
>It's fine if your snake is constantly having seizures and finding it difficult to eat. That's perfectly healthy.
And what's funny is that all of these "facts" are spread by people who love snakes. I can't quite wrap my head around why so many average snake keepers seem to want to put down their own animals. Don't they interact with the animals they keep?

>>4787431
>average snake keepers
You mean "breeders with a perverse incentive to neglect their animals because economies of scale (haha because reptile) make it unviable as anything but a hobby, especially if they're doing shit like pyramid skeeming with morphs."
Most people that actually give a fuck about their animals know better.

Is it okay to keep feeder rodents in racks?

>>4787443
I've seen plenty of non-breeders spread those myths, especially the "don't give your snake an enclosure that is too large".

Hello do any of you have any experiance whit boiga dendrophilias? Im considering getting one but im a bit worried about the potency of their venom as people dont seem to be able to agree on how strong the venom is.

>>4787460
Generally that is just someone bamboozled by the “Appeal to Authority” fallacy.

>>4787492
>boiga dendrophilias? I
ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT

>>4787492
It's both very weak (don't need to see doc), and on rear-facing fangs, so you're unlikely to ever be envenomed, and even if you are you won't need antivenin.

>>4787460
Thats just what happens when normies get all of their info from youtube channels that look like this.
It was either that or "the guy in petco said" for them, they dont count.

>>4787607
>Most dangerous reptiles
>Ball python head
Reptiletube truly is a place.

>>4787451
No. Rats need more space than snakes.

I wish the invert general could live. I wanna talk about tarantulas and answer tarantula questions

>>4787677
Its kinda heartwarming to see brian barcyzyzyyxycuuuxcckkjyyszk's kid carrying on his father's legacy of just being the absolute fucking worst, though.

>>4787698
Think we should just have a terrarium general for all land critters desu. Aquarium general already exists so don't see why we can have /terrag/.

>>4787731
Not even cancer can stop the eternal animal abuse youtube grift.

>>4787607
>>4787731
>mfw faggots like this have millions of dollars at their disposal and all they do is rack breed the same fucking snakes that are already oversaturated in the hobby
>mfw nobody is bothering to import cool shit from overseas or establish breeding operations for rare expensive herps
Fuck I wish I could go back ten years when reptile expos weren't just ball pythons and leopard geckos everywhere

>>4787934
>>4787900
>>4787731
he even does the same "performative sadface" baiting. cats in the cradle, etc.

>>4787698
>>4787780
I could get behind it, though I think there’s very little interest in it here sadly like you said

>>4783533
>leopard gecko
>no longer brings me joy
impossible

>>4788197
Tips for what exactly? Care? Feeding? Cleanup? Breeding?
The best beardie care and info video I can link you is close to four hours long.

>>4787934
There's plenty of cool stuff still being imported. Pet keepers have created a culture where there's no drive to keep and breed wild caught animals.

>>4788310
I also think the problem is that whenever they do get imported they're really fucking expensive, so nobody wants to risk wasting a load of money and thus a captive population never gets established. Ironically the problem a decade or two ago was that these herps were so cheap to import that nobody bothered breeding them, just look at firebelly toads for example.

But I still don't get why nobody imports the captive bred herps from Europe that we don't have in the states. We wouldn't even need to deal with the problem of parasites and disease like with wild caughts.

>>4788275
Can you post that vid? I want to do even more research before I begin my next viv project.

>>4788053
I actually did decide against it and just set up an arid terrarium for plants only to get the Mojave childhood nostalgia out of my system. But I am going to try setting up a praying mantis enclosure to see how trips to buy live bugs impact my lifestyle in a shorter time frame than decades of a reptile's life.

>>4789013
Holy shit is that the coolest mantis ever or what

>>4789013
Mantis is definitely a good choice then. Little guys only live for a year usually.

>>4789013
If you want to keep an animal death feigning beetles are a good low maintenance choice for an arid terrarium. I'd recommend something like a scorpion but it'd probably ruin the plants with their burrows

>>4781799
Update on this guy. He's pretty much dead.
I thought he'd start recovering after he ate the worm, but he only got worse, he started eating less and less, and has basically been ignoring even small bite sized prey even as it walks right past his nose, he's been lethargic lately and just closing his eyes.
This morning I found him on the ground of his enclosure and basically didn't react as I scooped him up to try to give him a short soak in some water. I put him back in the same spot and am basically just waiting for him to die at this point.
Christ, this feels like shit. I honestly don't know what went wrong, was he sick? Were my mistings not enough to keep him hydrated? Were my feeders not nutritious enough? Did he not feel safe enough in the enclosure to explore around and hunt?

>>4789620
Sorry for your loss. Wild caught (as most anoles are) is always a bit of a crapshoot.

>>4789629
I don't want to completely assume this was the case, I recently went back to the same pet store where I got him, and one of his tank mates was still in there, and he looked healthy enough, maybe still a slight bit on the skinny side, but they were juveniles, so I think they just sort of look like that. But I suppose it's still possible that he was always doomed.
Either way, after he dies, I'm going to just let the viv cycle for a while, not sure if I'll get another animal to put in there. I want to really reflect on the enclosure and make sure I didn't fuck something up when making it initially.

>>4789620
>>4789632
These things always result in some trial and error I feel. It’s definitely a good idea to go back and retrace your steps when putting it together

>>4789901
I also want to deconstruct it, remove the substrate, disinfect the wood, rinse off the plants, etc. Just in case he DID have some sort of parasite and I don't just have a death trap terrarium.

Ball python have been fed twice but not shat yet. Is it time for the good ol bath?

Female is starting to become really aggressive during feeding, I usually drop half a dozen on opposite ends of the enclosure every 2 days so the male gets a chance but sometimes it doesn't work out so good.<br>Wat do? Separate? There's only the two of them. Larger tank? Currently 60L

>>4790317
Absolutely separate, those guys will literally rip each other apart if you let them.

>>4790317
60L for two animals that size is pretty small, that could be contributing. Double the size at least, if you upgrade. Or separate them.

>>4790629
Nta, but they are fire belly newts, more aquatic than salamanders.
Speaking of, if I were to want to set up a palludarium, what herp would properly use both water and land features?

>>4790777
Anoles. Only Anolis aquaticus will hunt underwater, but there are videos of brown anoles snatching guppies out of container ponds. You could use cherry shrimp instead of guppies.

>>4790347
>>4790415
Thanks for the input.
I'll sort out a larger tank this weekend.

>>4790777
if you're in Australia you could do water skinks, if you're doing a gigantic paludarium you could do a false water cobra or a caiman lizard

>>4791179
>water skinks
Jesus fucking christ look at this adorable little shit. Goddamn it australia share the wealth.

>>4791179
God I wish, I'd have a whole-ass herp sanctuary if I was in the upside down land.

>>4791216
So do they live in water or what?

>>4791305
Near it, subsisting on the bugs/soft bodied inverts near creeks and streams.

>>4791305
They live mostly around water rather than in it but are perfectly happy diving in when they have to

>>4791653
Well since I am not versed enough in /herp/ and can only go by their thumbnail, I will rate it faggot/10 based solely on the thumbnail.

I think I'm going to get a corn snake at the expo this weekend. how do people feel about their morphs? I really like the charcoal and lavender ones

>>4792208
I have yet to see a corn snake morph that looks better than an Okeetee
like what is even the point of the charcoal morph, just get a grey ratsnake

>>4792208
Wild type corn snakes are beautiful animals, I don't see the appeal of the weird looking ones. But corns and small colubrids in general are based, go for it if you can give it a lot of space, because it'll use it.

>>4792242
I like grey and corns are just generally more accessible, no problem getting another kind of rat snake but an expecting to find lots of good options for corns

>>4792246
I work at a pet store and coworkers are offering some tanks they aren't using, so getting a big setup shouldn't be a problem
been thinking about a snake for a long time, I think I am finally ready :)

Tong feeding a hognose is such a shit show
Remind me again how these survive in the wild?
When it's not completely missing the strike its hitting the tongs and even me once
And then without fail it'll make a bite sideways and spend the next 25 minutes trying to straighten it out

>>4792208
Go with whatever you like best.

>>4792392
Are these the ones that play dead and smell like shit to sell it lol

>>4792616
They spray musk, and also bite the insides of their mouths to make them bloody
And they are soooo dead that if you flip them they will immediately flip to their back again

>>4781474
What's the best reptile for a little diy greenhouse?

>>4792911
define little
define greenhouse
define temperatures and humidity
if you just want something for pest control and to say "wow cool lizard" little house geckos are good choices for a greenhouse that stays at least room temperature or slightly below yearround. I also like mantises for that purpose which are even cooler than lizards but only live for about a year.

>>4792911
Wall lizards. If you're in the US there's probably a population of them nearby, just go catch a few. If you're in Europe then they're already everywhere.

>>4792915
>define little
something like pic related
>define greenhouse
was thinking in converting pic related from late fall until early spring into a hybrid greenhouse, so it's not gonna be fully covered.
>>4792935
If you're in Europe then they're already everywhere.
yes they're indeed everywhere here in south italy and some house geckos can be as big as normal sized tokay geckos

>>4792935
Always greenhouse guy here. What if release this species (Lacerta bilineata) in my area (apulia). They're not an exotic species where i live but they suffer from habitat fragmentation

>>4792890
lol drama queen

my hogger (subadult male) is great with handling and has never played dead or musked on me

just $100 too

love my lil champ

>>4792946
first that's really more of a hutch, so it would be like a terrarium or are you doing it indoors? are you trying to grow something? usually i think of a greenhouse as something dedicated to growing plants, so i figured you meant a larger building and just have some reptiles chilling in there
>siciloid
green lacerta. simple as. they'll even do fine outside year round. just make sure there's a screen lid so they get UV. You live in a climate that isn't inherently hostile to reptiles so you have a lot of options for outdoor keeping too. Lot of tortoises will do well in that climate too and they're nice for mowing the yard, much easier to contain and stop from eating your flowers compared to a goat or something
>>4792948
>actually apuliaoid
dreadful. but yeah, natives are always good options if legal and not venomous. It's not legal to keep anything native in my part of the US but if it were I totally would. and yes it is inherently fucking retarded that we can't keep natives because fish and wildlife is terrified of billybob's exotics inbreeding them with retarded morph genes and releasing it into the wild genepool where it would be quickly filtered out by natural selection yet I can order enough goldfish to turn an entire watershed into murky muck no questions asked.

>>4792690
>>4792890
That’s kinda cute kek
Guess it has to do when you’re so tiny and don’t have much in the way of defense mechanisms

>>4793121
That's also why their patterns mimic rattlesnakes in the areas they live
Do you know who I am? Do you Realize WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF!!! *dies*

I accidentally bought the wrong size feeder and by some miracle of nature my snake managed to swallow it. Lil nigga looks like a tube sock stretched over a potato right now

I am not looking forward to the dump that's gonna come out after this one
I think it's gonna be a deep clean afterwards

>>4793258
The look on the lizard's face at the end is priceless.

>>4793110
>It's not legal to keep anything native in my part of the US but if it were I totally would. and yes it is inherently fucking retarded that we can't keep natives because fish and wildlife is terrified of billybob's exotics inbreeding them with retarded morph genes
The law isn't to stop some kid from taking a couple toad tadpoles and keeping them in his fish tank, it's to stop poachers from catching every snake in an area and destroying the local population, which is especially a problem with how fragmented everything is so once those herps are gone they will never come back. In my state it's the pinesnake that's getting assraped by this along with wild corn snakes.
If you ask a FWS guy if you can keep a fence lizard you caught from the wild he'll say to stop wasting his time. They don't care about that, they focus on the people catching them by the dozen and selling them.

>>4781474
URGENT
Baby ball python not eating. Possibly sick.
She’s been underweight since I got her as a yearling (breeder was feeding her once every 3 weeks for some reason).
2 weeks ago she was slightly underweight still but was gaining weight compared to when I got her I missed last weeks feeding because personal retardation. Just went to feed and she’s super underweight suddenly almost skin and bones backbone visible sides sunken in.

Tried to feed her and she struck, missed, struck a second time with moving the fuzzy around, missed again.
Then she lost interest. I tried warming a new one up, same shit she wasn’t interested.
I hated to try it but I attempted an assist feed and she wouldn’t take it spit it immediately.

Idk what to do. She drank some water after putting her back in her enclosure which I take as a good sign. But fuck I’m worried. I’m going to leave her be tonight and tomorrow morning attempt another feeding, if she doesn’t take it I’ll go get a live fuzzy or a pinkie at least (shops are closed or I’d do that right now).

I’m worried sick she won’t make it. Should I even try to feed another thawed tomorrow or go straight for live? She’s only ever had thawed. Shops that have smaller sized live mice won’t open until 10am btw, I think that’s an appropriate enough window to try a thawed at 5am and if she doesn’t eat then a live about 5 hours later.

But if none of that works what do I do? I understand these guys can fuck off from food for a while but normally when I’ve seen that they don’t lose drastic amounts of body weight. My husbandry is good but I’m now worried she could be sick. No mucus no wheezing so idk what it could be. I don’t want this snake to die on me.

>>4793321
She ate one of the fuzzies. I left both of the ones I thawed over the warm spot. Just checked and she was mid deep throat on one. I’ll leave the other in there if she eats it fine. If not cool, but I’m gonna get her on an every 4 days schedule until she’s of healthy weight.

>>4793321
>>4793365
what are your temps like? I don't own a ball but have worked with them and have been helping a friend with her picky eater, and I find that temps can be a factor
even if your numbers are good and you have your warmspot, they might not have "discovered" where to hang out and regulate. Worth looking into and making some changes if it continues
but I'm really happy to hear she ate :)

>open up the viv this morning to to up the water basin
>one of my tincts squeezes out from under a magnolia leaf to investigate the sound
>stares, incredulously, as it was not bugs
I love these little dipshits so much

>>4793321
>Throw ball python in trash
>Get a boa

That should fix it.

My bearded dragon is dying. I feel awful. She is very special to me.

>>4793635
Always a rough one, my boy died last year, didn't make it through brumation. All I could think was "shit, should I have woken him up? Should I have taken him to a vet the moment I suspected something?".
Just do your best to make sure she's as comfortable as possible as she passes.

I'm at a loss as to what's ideal to keep my leopard geck on, substrate-wise. Most recently, I've been keeping her on that excavator clay stuff, but she's been digging around and turning it into something more loose and grainy. She seems content with it, as she's very active and makes full use of her 40gal wide, but I'm wondering if I'm still not pulling off something ideal. My primary worry is, of course, impaction with anything she breaks off. <br>What do you use for your leos?

>>4793745
I don't have a Leo, but I've always been told that, so long as you make sure your animal is properly hydrated/gets her proper temperatures/is fed properly, etc., impaction simply won't happen.
However, I suggest you mix your substrate with organic topsoil and a fine sand, and try to keep the deeper layers slightly moist, this will help burrows keep shape and prevent dust.
Again though, I don't have a Leo, so I can't speak with much authority on this.

>>4793321
Have you had the ball tested for parasites at any point?

>>4793666
thanks satan.
yeah its rough, feeling a lot of guilt.

>>4793666
they say faustian bargains are dumb in general and even dumber when bargaining for life, but man idek

>>4793635
I'm sorry anon. I've never had one but they always seem very personable and charming compared to other reptiles.

>>4792208
For me it's the palmetto.

Honestly tho they all look good (except for the scaleless morphs they look like wrinkly sausages)

>>4794419
Damn, you’re right, it is pretty gorgeous

Why the fuck has the entire reptile keeper hobby become Bearded dragons, Leopards geckos and ball python morphs?

Is it really just because these species are easy as fuck to breed?

>>4795150
Who are the primary morphfags, buying into a pyramid scheme they think is going to anything but rob them blind?

>

>>4795150
you're out of the loop, the newest skeem is in cresties and gargs, probably because they dont have the electricity requirement for heat and eat powder.

>>4795183
they're not even close to the amount of ball pythons at expos. it's crazy, I made a point not to get a ball because there are just way too many being bred
love creatives and gargs, though, but sometimes gargs hiss at me :(

>>4795352
I dunno man, I went to an (admittedly somewhat smaller) expo earlier in the year and pretty much every table had at least a handful of gargs.

>>4795152
Lol
>>4795183
Who the fuck is dropping that kind of money for that thing

>>4795422
Hoarders, people who want to feel speshiul and people who want to start their own Pyramid skeem

>>4795422
In theory, it's an "investment animal," which is pretty much just a pyramid scheme where you pay out the nose for a morph producer so you can make animals that others can pay the same amount so they can do likewise.
In practice, it's a combination of quite literally counting your geckos before they hatch, and pic related.

>>4795183
I don't get crested gecko or boa morphs. They all look the same to me.

>>4795589
At least in the case of crested geckos, there are very few actual genetic morphs capable of producing valid offspring. Virtually all of what's seen is just a result of line breeding.

>>4795183
I love how it literally just looks like a regular crestie too

>>4795183
>20k
Who the fuck pays for these? You could get multiple pairs of boelens pythons for that

>>4795622
>can do literally anything with 20k
>can import a bunch of exotic shit from africa or wherever and set up an entire breeding operation
>decide to just buy a gecko that's slightly more orange than normal
The wrong types of people have too much money

I'm trying to get my New Caledonian geckos more inclined towards eating their repashy/pangea diet.
My crested gecko is obsessed with insects. I can only really fool him into eating repashy actively by scooping it on the end of my tongs since it reminds him of bugs, or by dunking insects in it like it's batter.
For my leachianus, he just ignores it overnight. I'm almost forced to hold him like a baby and 'bottle' feed him out of a 0.5oz cup, but also will not eat any bug I've ever offered him.
Have any of you guys ever had picky eaters with your New Caledonians? I've run the gambit on the different flavors.

>>4794756
So did you end up getting a corn anon?

Thinking of a garbage bin snake for when my ball python goes on a hunger strike so I don't waste rats. Right now I'm thinking of a BCI, Jungle Carpet or Dumeril's. I'm iffy on BCI cause a lot of their sizes depends on locality and if I end up getting something that gets pretty big, I most likely am not upgrading from a 4x2x2.

>>4796804
Bci gonna get obese as a garbage bin

>>4796857
I mean I don't intend to try feeding every week if they're on a strike. I tried every other week at first, then I switched to monthly. My BP finally ate after 6 months.

>>4795762
just starve them. pangea is more palatable than repashy, i find the watermelon flavor is the favorite of all of my lizards probably because its the sweetest. so I would provide that every other day for like two weeks and cut bugs and reintroduce bugs once a week once they start taking to it.
this assumes adult lizards you're not breeding. starving a little wont hurt them and they can go a week or so without food without suffering much.
add a dab of honey if you want to make it even tastier. also some seem to have different preferences for consistency, one of my males refuses to eat if its watery. if i leave it for a day he'll eat it the next day when it dries out a bit.

>>4797067
Not that guy, but would adding some aromatic, ripened fruit also help?

I'd like another large intelligent lizard but my Blue tounge is super needy as is.

>>4797067
They're both just about to become yearlings, actually. The longest I've gone, originally, was about a week and a half for the crested when I just got it. Nothing.

>>4797773
Adding information, because I'm a retard.
The crested is underweight, at least I think. Measured today at just under 17 grams. Best guess, he's ~9 months old.

>>4796804
please do not put any of those animals in a 4 foot enclosure

What are some species you wish more people were breeding?

>>4798783
These niggas. In the early '00s they were $5/ea at big box stores, now they're like $120/ea online when you can even find them.

>>4799430
It looks cool but it's probably like other skinks that just sit under a log all day and you end up with an empty terrarium.
I hope people start breeding and keeping more diurnal species. Jewelled lacertas is one that's got popular witihin the last years but still so many interesting species like lacertids (pic related) and the fence lizard family. The issue is that you can't keep them in dark shoe boxes so that's why nobody wants to keep them.

I want a Malaysian river toad who's not been exposed to aids and ass worms but it seems like most sellers say they gave them generic de wormer if any treatment at all.

>never musks
>never plays dead
>takes pinkies without issue
>poop smells no worse than other sneks

>>4799730
I’m so on the fence of getting a snake they look so cool but it’s hard to choose between my first ‘exotic’

Whhat is the small brown lizard that runs with its tail curled upwards? the tail has black and white bands on the bottom

Was out hiking today and took a few herp pics

A water snake that desperately wanted to avoid pictures.

>>4800031
And some pics of a juvie red spotted newt that I'm really happy about. Definitely my favorite find this trip.

I found a small frog in a well today. It had no vestigial tadpole features, but it refused to move when placed on the ground. When I put it in the old bath we currently use as a water reservoir, it was much more vigorous, but it didn't resurface and ended up hiding under the stone on the bottom. Is it normal frog behaviour? It was early evening, and the frog was most likely a common brown frog. I get it, frogs like water and darkness, but it was weird that it didn't move on land. Could it be some freaky amphibian that has fully adapted to living in a dark well? Should I throw it back into the well tomorrow if it's still around?<br>Pic unrelated

>>4800031
I just realized this is a pickerel frog, not a leopard frog. Oops.

>>4799992
Are you in Florida or the Bahamas? if so, they are called "Curly tails"

>>4799956
Snakes, depending on the species, can be some of the easiest creatures to take care of.

I'm camping this weekend and a turtle walked into the campsite and I think it was laying eggs

>>4800391
So I’ve heard. So many cool animals to consider. I’d like to look into a monitor or something but probably not the best beginner pet

>>4800492
You guessed correctly. Monitors are cool but they require a LOT of space to be happy, only a little less ridiculous than tegus in that manner.

>>4800492
>>4800517
I really hate the idea of beginner pets. A leopard gecko is a 20 year commitment, so a corn snake. Getting something you don’t actually want just so that you can earn pet experience points to get what you actually want is retarded. Instead of thinking of things like monitor lizards or rainbow boas as pets for experienced keepers think of them as more difficult pets that require more commitment and more research. Be serious and understand what you want will require and you should be able to keep anything even if you haven’t had beginner pet experiences.

>>4800517
Yeah I figured as much what with their sheer size, although space isn’t (or shouldn’t I think) be an issue I’m just more worried I’ll miss certain stuff when trying to care for it
>>4800524
Yeah, I get what you mean, I might sound shallow saying this but I do want something unique that actually looks cool or is actually a treat to keep because of the entertaining stuff they might do, I don’t expect whatever I get to be active 24/7 but I’d like to remember I even have an animal and not something that spends most of its time hiding/sleeping/lounging around

>>4800524
I understand what you mean, but I don't think of easier herps as them being any less of a commitment, or even that they'd be "disposable". I like to think of beginner herps as animals that you can more easily take care of, so you don't end up being in over your head and need to commit yourself to something more difficult. Let's face it, no amount of research can account for actual practice, and things always end up being a bit more complex than we can plan for.
Say anon wants a herp, but isn't quite sure if he can handle it, if he gets one that's a bit easier to care for, and he decides "eh, maybe I shouldn't go too hard into this", he doesn't end up neglecting the one he already has because it's within his power to provide good care.

All of that said, >>4800524 absolutely do as much research as possible before even starting an enclosure setup, that is the universal starting point for any pet, and it's especially important for herps, no matter the difficulty.

I don't know if any of you guys ever watched Mushishi, but the Japanese have this concept of there being many gods and each god looks after a small domain and in Mushishi there's this lord of a mountain that happens to be a turtle / tortoise.

I have a pet tortoise myself he's older than I am and somehow this is just how I picture him, as this wise protector of my garden, his domain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGo<wbr>hNlOgEZ4

[Salender-Raws+Tlacatlc6] 10. The Depths Of Winter.mkv_snapshot_00.12.02_[2024.02.07_09.48.39].jpg

It makes me very glad to have an animal that takes full advantage of a custom habitat.

>>4800879
Oh, god damn it. It rotated on upload.

>>4800655
Mushi is solid stuff. Fond memories. I should really give it another go

Welp an should i get a pair of crusties or gargoyles help i cant fuckin decide

>>4801648
gargoyles ftw crusties are cute but drop tails way more often from what i’ve heard. plus gargoyles look badass

>>4800338
never heard of those before and holy shit you’re right. they’re awesome

>>4801649
I see ye, might do the gargs then a 2x2x3 LxWxH should be fine for 2 no?

>>4801664
do not house gargoyles together they will absolutely murk each other. they’re super aggressive. good tank for a garg is 18x18x24. they’re pretty lazy & can’t climb as well as a crestie on smooth stuff so give them more climbing room.
you can tEcHnIcAlLy house 2 together but it’s just such a dumb idea. not worth the risk.

>>4801669
climbing objects not climbing room. i’m stupid.

>>4801648
gargoyles. cresties are gay.

>>4801669
breeding pairs or mff harems are potentially OK but yeah, just be aware they are nastier than cresties, both meaner temperaments and more capable of hurting each other. They will beat each other up but unless you get two males are highly unlikely to do severe damage or kill each other. Tails are often chomped off and eaten though.
Both cresties/gargs need to be housed separately until they're adult size regardless, so plan to grow them out separately then introduce them carefully. I know many people who have paired them off and had them live fine longterm either in breeding groups or as mated pairs.

It's not the same as leachies where they WILL fucking kill each other if they're not compatible.

>>4801669
I see heard diffrently from other place but good to know, might have to reconsider getting a pair, one will do fine also less to feed

>>4801689
Reptiles are rarely social. Maybe don't go back to the place that tried to sell you a pair, it's pretty commonly known they're not easily cohabitated.

>>4801832
>>4801689
yep; if a reptile place is trying to sell you a pair of honestly anything i can think of, they’re preying on people who don’t know any better to make more money. a lot of herps don’t cohab well & takes a lot of thought and observation that a newer herp owner might not have the skill for that type of setup yet.

>>4781474
I think I fucked up. I did my normal thaw routine with hot water, the only difference is I microwaved the water an additional 10 seconds this time so 1 minute 10 seconds instead of 1 minute (water by itself mouse in other container). Normally I check my rodents at 15 minutes and determine whether I need to heat new water or give it longer I usually dump the water and heat new. Only this time I got side tracked and didn’t check for 40 minutes. I went to feed the mouse and it’s belly was ripped open seemed like it cooked slightly not thoroughly but slightly. It was my last mouse of that size so I fed it to my ball python anyways. Some guts spilled out. Then I read that cooked meat can make a ball python regurgitate and lead to death…
My other ball python is doing great I’ve had her for like 4 years now idk why I keep fucking up with this younger one.

I think despite my older snake doing well, I just suck with reptiles and I think I just have to come to terms with it and give my snakes to someone more experienced who will care for them properly. I love reptiles so much but fuck bros maybe it’s better I admire them from a distance if I can’t properly care for them and get the most basic parts of keeping them right. Last week I mentioned how she was underweight and refused her meal after I missed a week due to my retardation (she ended up eating it leaving it in the cage with her over the hot side). This week it’s overheating her mouse and partially cooking it. For fucks sake.

>>4793381
Just saw this. I have my hot area at 91.5. Roughly 80F on cooler side.
She ended up eating both of them. I left them on the hot side. Couldn’t sleep that night checked a couple hours after that post she was eating one, finally went to sleep next morning she had eaten both.
>>4793782
Never. Didn’t think it was necessary unless issues started showing up. I know she’s underweight but I chalked that up to the breeder feeding her on that insane (imo) schedule. She already seems like she’s gaining weight again only a week later. But I guess constant and rapid weight changes would indicate parasite. I have a vet near me who I checked about snakes and they said they take snake patients I’ll see about making an appointment. But I think ultimately I’m gonna give her away to someone who I know will give her the care she needs >>4801992

>>4801992
>>4801996
To update, she didn’t even eat it. It I guess was too soft and got stuck in her mouth she wasn’t even trying to eat the damn thing anymore. I guess I’ll get more mice tmrw morning maybe give her a day or two to destress, make sure I thaw it properly this time.

This thing smelled putrid btw I think it definitely got cooked despite only heating my water for 1:10. Probably best she didn’t eat it.

>>4781474
Hi everyone, I wanted to ask about my cricket enclosure. It's just a big tub with vermiculite substrate, bunch of empty cardboard egg curtains, this gut-loading powder, and a little zone of hydration wtih the ice and paper towel.

I also have some cococoir in a container nearby, but I have not been able to have crickets successfully hatch so I don't have much hopes for it but it's there.

Also, when putting in live plants is it important to use a plant bulb if the enclosure isn't near a natural light source?

BTW, I have not been able to keep 200 crickets alive for over 3 weeks. What am I doing wrong? I know I should add some juicy fruits or something? They die before my anoles get a chance to eat them.

>>4803216
Son of a bitch, I guess they can climb chain fences.

>>4802127
Fruits and veggies never hurt, crickets can be weird about hydration. I've managed to keep them alive and well from pinhead to chirping by using an actual substrate with springtails in it, I remember reading somewhere that crickets get stressed and die if it smells too shitty, so a cleanup crew may help you out if that's an issue.

>Also, when putting in live plants is it important to use a plant bulb if the enclosure isn't near a natural light source?
Yes, and in fact. I'd reccomend you use a plant bulb in any case to keep them growing straight and prevent them from getting lanky.

>>4803216
did it die? also it occurs to me it must be a real possibility that these things can just get into peoples yards and eat whatever small animals they have

>>4803230
can you really just grab gators safely and chuck them

>>4803457
>safely
Florida man
Also little ones are relatively easy to snatch. He ain't grabbing no 7ft gator

>>4803456
>did it die?
From a bump on the nose?

>>4803457
Define safely.

Gators under 5ft or so, on land, are close to harmless to an adult human - their tail is probably the most dangerous part. It's not smart to approach them, but you'll likely be fine.

Pic sorta related from my trip to the Everglades a couple years back. These are bigger than you should try to chuck.

>>4802127
Not a bug farmer or anything but is that enough egg crate for 200 crickets?
It's time to start eliminating variables - try like 50 and see how they go, and source them from somewhere else (maybe even splurge and get them from like dubia.com or something) - if they last and start breeding it's a question of scale, if not then there's something else going on with their husbandry.
Also, don't crickets like it dark? I keep seeing people keep them in clear containers but I've never known a cricket to be active in the day.
Or are banded crickets different behavior-wise from the ones in my backyard?

I bought a 2x2x2 with a removable mid section for $100.
 What can I use it for?
If you say mourning Gecko your mom dies in her sleep.

>>4803918
I think their legs will get stuck in the vents.

Help me with my autism, herpfriends.
Okay, so in one particular star trek episode the captain finds her "animal guide," and its clearly some kind of gecko, as shown here.
https://youtu.be/OsuuVEhDC6k
Im seeing some places claim its a tokay, but that does NOT look like a tokay gecko to me, and there doesnt seem to be any source or anything to the claim that it is, but the species isnt faniliar to me. Can a nigga get an ID? It seems altogether too small and the wrong color for a tokay.

>>4804165
Fuck that's not the right link.
Here.
https://youtu.be/cwN_QLeqzw4

>>4803913
Anole, maybe one of the smaller day gecko species (they may appreciate more vertical space, though)

>>4804166
Tokays have a huge range and are reasonably diverse in that range. This isn't to say that it is necessarily a tokay, but it is the right size and shape, and it's possible it's just one of the localities that isn't bright orange and blue or it's cold enough that it's not fired up.

>>4804845
it was apparently pretty sluggish and a bitch to film, so it's possible. I just wish I had a primary source because tokays actually fit Janeway's personality pretty well.

>>4803918
>>4803973
funnily enough I was just reading about them and the risk of that happening, doesn’t look big enough for that to happen

>>4803522
> their tail is probably the most dangerous part.
Is it cus they whip around and break your leg or whatever?

>>4804886
Even if they only trip you up, laying on the floor is probably the absolute last place you want to be when near a crocodilian.

>>4803307
>springtails in it, I remember reading somewhere that crickets get stressed and die if it smells too shitty, so a cleanup crew may help you out if that's an issue.

It does smell pretty shitty. I purchased a springtail culture once and put it under the substrate but I really don't know how to let them go about.

I have some isopods too but haven't seen them in a long while.

I have finally managed to get meal worms to the beetle stage. Some are still in chrysalis, some even are still in larva form. I like how there's black and red ones. This is a substrate of coconut coir. I put some oatmeal out and some mandarin slices. I'll have to check on this every day because of how easy things rot in this container. Unless I should place them in a different container. My objective is to get them to breed to make more meal worms so I can feed my anoles.

>>4804942
Trve, trve, that would make sense…

>>4805008
These are the lights I have. I have another set with two bulbs too. It looks red only because my apartment has red LED strip lighting.

>still giving me sideye after i bought him a worm
baka


/fox/ - Fox General: May Edition

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

Not so fond of the kind of lot she attracts tho.

Anonymous

>>4787295
i have an autistic dislike of distinct hair on anthro characters, but pretty cute design otherwise.

>>4787356
I have an autistic dislike of kemono.
It's the same cookie cutter animu flat face just with a dot in the middle as nose and maybe some dash next to the dot with the same cat ears on top for every species.
What's the fucking point. Even horses are just dumb animu girls with cat ears. Actual muzzle and ears or get the fuck out.

>>4787358
yeah, i get it. depending on the design i don't mind too much as long as it's not flatface catgirl with body paint level, but i do like fictional animal characters actually looking like animals no matter how many legs they walk on.

>>4787505
>>4787684
Why are fox maws so alluring bros?

>>4787696
this forced meme will never be anything more

Man. Someone here *really* doesn’t like the cartoon meme fox jej

I like foxes but I think furries should be shot on sight what do

>>4788336
… is that normal behavior? what purpose does it serve?

>>4788612
Confuses the other animal, maybe? I have no idea what it's even called

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4788681
Dokn't think so, there are videos from just a few months ago.
https://www.tiktok.com/@acethemarbl<wbr>efox

Anonymous

>>4789022
What a fine lookin' woman.

Hmm, what's it like bein' the main fox poster on the thread? Foxes rock I just don't know where to find pictures of 'em

it's too hot and I'm sweating but I still want to cuddle this fox

>>4789035
you can try this thing called Google
works like a charm

https://subredditstats.com/subreddi<wbr>t-user-overlaps/foxes<br>Why do furries love foxes so much?

>>4787325
Dani is back :O
>>4787736
A cute pun is not a forced meme, silly.
>>4788642
It doesn't seem to be a specific behavior, just zoomies which is good healthy exercise. Anything to get the heart pumping and the muscles working is beneficial for survival, plus it's just fun to jump around. I would say it looks like some kind of juking but foxes don't generally hunt like that (correct me if I'm wrong).
>>4789152
broken links to pinterest and misleading links where the image isn't in the linked page. Thanks Google, yummy yummy.
>>4789415
Why do YOU love getting shut up? (picrel sorry it's not a fox)

>>4789456
> sorry it's not a fox
I've got you a fox.

>>4789456
Huh fair, never throught of it just being that. Certainly funny anyways, lol

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4789035
Flickr(.com) is one of the top sites fur Fox pics. Also, I've stumbled upon many a good Fox pic by just reverse searching an image in one of these threads and looking under 'related'. Yandex is prolly the best one fur that, Bing is OK too.

>>4789415
Even normies love Foxes. Think about it: one half of the pawpulation loves Cats, the other half loves Dogs; everyone loves the Cat-Dog, aka Fox.

Anonymous

>>4789717
man that's one really rough looking fox. must have seen quite some shit in its day

Probably because they look cool. The vulpes vulpes is naturally very aesthetically pleasing and highlights the inherent appeal of the canid. They are also wild, common, and non-threatening to us homo sapiens, which gives them their own personality. I just think they're neat.

foxes with white sclera instead of black look FREAKY

>>4789897
Pretty sure all of them have white scleras but you rarely see em

>>4789936
>24h coverage of news about foxes
are there even enough news for filling all that space every day

LOUD GEKKERING (EVEN MORE FASTER STILL).gif

LOUD GEKKERING (WE CANNAE GO ANEH FOSTER CAPPIN AH GIVIN IT ALL WE GOTS).gif

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4789734
The patchy coat could just be moult.

Anonymous

>>4790147
if you're using photoshop make all the frames in the timeline 0.0 seconds then convert the frames to video timeline and use legacy export as a gif. the gif will be faster

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4790365

>>4790369
Looked it up and it only goes over your nose and looks pretty stupid.

>>4790147
If you're trying a 0-second delay, it doeskn't work on all browsers. Here's 0.02 seconds between frames and it runs fast on Firefox at least. Tried 0.01 too and that'll just run like it was 0.1 instead.

Anonymous

>>4789456
>Dani is back
>implying he ever left
Anon, have you been here around 2009?
Because that's how long this freak have lusted for phox booty.
[spoiler]Cougars are fine too

Who is this Dani fellow anyways, I'm new here

Why foxes should be bigger:<br>If foxes were bigger, they could hunt bigger prey like deer, and work synergistically with humans to catch them. Foxes and humans could become friends and we could be their pets.

>>4791078
>Because that's how long this freak have lusted for phox booty.
Jesus Christ

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

If she never looks at you like this, she's not The One.

Anonymous

>>4791078
Oh he was just strangely absent in the last thread, is all I was saying.
>Anon, have you been here around 2009? Because that's how long this freak have lusted for phox booty.
And we wouldn't have it any other way. <3 I'm pretty sure /an/ doesn't have spoiler tags but I'm not 100% on that, I don't frequent here often. If spoiler tags did work they'd be perfect for things like:
[spoiler]Foxers are very attractive and cute and I would smooch them a lot, cougs too. Strangely I don't have *those* fantasies, but I can absolutely understand those who lust for phox booty. Just look at picrel and say with a straight face that you wouldn't kiss & snug that.[/spoiler]

>>4791852 >>4791078
ugh picrel didn't take. Here's the actual picrel.

>>4791750
But which one of them is the she?

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4791922
Case in point.

The one on the right.

Anonymous

>>4786947
Dumping baby foxes on the school campus I work at.

>>4792407
All I ask in return for sharing these precious babies with you freaks is a single (you). I will protect them with my life.

>>4792405
I thought you were implying you were going to dump them on your school campus for a moment.

>>4792416
I'm dumping them directly into my bag so I can dote on them at home.

have these little faggots been domesticated yet i assume a lot of people are working on it cause theyre popular and would make money

>>4792526
They can be tamed, but pet foxes aren't viable commercially. There was the Russian experiment attempt to domesticate foxes, but while it made them friendly towards humans, it did not make them convenient to keep as pets.
They're incredibly high maintenance, destructively curious, and have a habit of pissing everywhere that's nearly impossible to train them out of.
Not good traits if someone intended to make money selling them as pets. Especially not when dogs are right there and don't have those problems.
People have made it work in the small scale, but there's not a lot of buyers once they realize exactly how much work they'd need to put in.

>>4792576
Yeah, foxes can't be domesticated and in their current form, are not pets and never should be.

>>4792576
Thanks pretty informative
I saw a dox that looked very foxlike (while still of course clearly being a dog - mainly the tail) which is why it got me thinking
I guess we're more likely to see designer foxlike dogs than designer doglike foxes

>>4792583
>I saw a dox
I thought you meant doxx for a minute kek

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4792405
Ever seen the mum?

>>4792444
>cue italian disco music

Anonymous

>>4792796
I saw the mom a little over the month ago before ever seeing or knowing about the babies. Have not seen her since, but I do find rodent corpses left for the little ones every now and then.

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4793743
In spirit. Felix was the tree Fox over at Save a Fox.

>>4793958
Mikayla (the SaF lady) took it really hard, she didkn't mention Felix's death until just a few days ago.

Anonymous

>>4792576
I wouldn't mind a leggy boi pissing everywhere if I could get high off the smell that's allegedly identical to smoked Marijuana

>>4795175
Don't ask us, listen to your feelings.

>>4795190
I feel a fox-shaped hole in my heart

>>4794069
SaF might be a sucky shady org, but my condolences to her nonetheless. Always sad to lose a fox.

>>4795835
>>4796131
Remember: finding a fox-shaped hole in your heart means that somewhere in this world a lost lonely fox can't find their home.
(Foxes want to be our pets.)

>>4794069
SaF loses foxes due to her own stupidity neglect and abuse. >>4796118 don't feel bad for her, she killed that fox herself because she's stupid as fuck.

>>4796433
Doesn’t she end up killing a bunch of animals she takes in to her ‘care’?

>>4796368
>(Foxes want to be our pets.)
this is cope (at least for the time being)

>>4796735
Foxes are self domesticating in the UK as we speak.
It really does seem that they want to be pets, however that doesn't mean you should let them in your home. Wanting something and being a good fit for it aren't the same thing.

>>4796732
Yes. Multiple animals, including foxes, have died or been injured due to fixable issues she simply refuses to fix. The most egregious one being issues with her fencing taking MORE THAN ONE foxes' limb. This, while she rakes in thousands upon thousands in donations (her only income) while buying several exotic 'pets' and fancy cars for her boyfriend. She is an evil person.

>>4796433 >>4796891
I'm aware, I was just hoping we wouldn't delve into the topic.

>>4796789
Give up prejudices and let foxes come into your house.

>>4797051
Felids should not fight against each other.

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4797370
>already husband
You missed it.

Anonymous

>>4798342
You'd have to teach 'em to stand on it's hind legs, otherwise you'd have to get down low for the kiss. Either that or a tall stool

>>4798418
Woah, they're evolving

>>4798680
Well sorry for addin' some flair. Aw that's a nice picture I like that

>>4792576
good. look at what humans did to dogs that domesticated.

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

>>4798863
Tbh even if they were standing you'd still have to bend down to meet them halfway. Not sure if you're realising just how tiny Foxes are.

>>4799364
True, even if I'm suspicious of your motives.

Anonymous

>>4799346
Hmm, well have 'em stand on a chair

>>4799346
The fox in your image is clearly a juvenile.

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

They got to your computer and typed 'e' in Firefox's address bar.

Anonymous

>>4796433
I heard they also killed the cat Xerxes

>>4800215
I don't know if eBay sells foxes

Foxes should be big enough to kiss while consummating our marriage<br>It's as simple as that

>>4800245
Seems fennecs are small enough for shipping

You guys are really out there about this huh

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

/Fox/ is what /dog/ wishes they could be. We have the 'weird' people too, butt there is neither the coordinated effurt nor the useful idiots to take the bait to let things devolve into the blistering chaos that is /dog/.

Anonymous

>>4800595
No, /dog/ does not wish it could be /fox/, because dogs are animals real people have real constant contact with and you can not be a good person and even ignore/tolerate an animal rapist in that case. Doing so would be implicitly approving of raping a dog. At least with foxes you know nobody is going to be physically able to act on their fantasies unless it's already dead. With dogs, all it takes is some disgusting worm-faced mentally disabled truck driver stealing someones pet or paying an amish puppy miller $20 and they have their own personal rape victim to keep wrapped up in their trunk.

YOU are part of why zooFAGGOTS come here and feel comfortable, and then get mad when people don't like them
YOU are part of why /horse/ represents the future state of /dog/ - 2-5 zooFAGGOTS spamming 10 memes per dick/pussy to keep the NSFW animal rape content invisible to someone just scrolling past, with not one actual horse owner in sight except someone that admits they got it just to rape it.

>>4800606
/fox/ is borderline unusable whenever zoo faggot shit comes up and a perennial post in /horse/ is "almost posted my horse here but then i saw you fuck them, never coming back"

the /dog/ people are actually right. mostly about basically abandoning /an/ as a community, and not expecting it to be one. the mods have spoken: they consider "light bestiality" to be board culture. this is not a real website to really discuss foxes or horses, this is a furfag circlejerk where they post non-memes like "foxxo boxxo". /an/'s sister boards are /mlp/ (horsefuckers) and /trash/ (home of "feral friday").

>I was totally going to post actual real discussion™, but I am outraged and blablabla now you're missing out
classic tale
meanwhile /fox/posters keep foxing

>>4800595
It's been chaos before and the only reason it isn't constantly chaos is because you don't actually hurt any foxes (and can't), and the mods dont get rid of you. The reason /dog/ sucks is because their "dani" is able to actually rape a dog, and when the mods get rid of him he responds by resetting his IP and shitposting extra hard. /dog/ was also based on people posting their own dogs, not random dog photos they found on the internet, which made the presence of animal rapists a personal issue. Especially after the animal rapists tried to frame anyone who didn't like them for bestiality.

We don't actually like you, or not mind you. Most of us hate you. You're just unable to harm any foxes so it's not worth perpetual outrage just yet. If anyone comes in actually raping foxes and turns out to be as persistent a ban evader, well, it's over then, and none of us are even posting our own foxes.

The fact that someone like you is not permanently rangebanned from this board is the precise reason /an/ can not actually have a thread based on people posting their own dogs and i consider it highly likely that you have participated in ruining /dog/ with your trip off out of zoophile tribalism. That's why you brought it up, daniel. You were there, it was on your mind. And you were unhappy that a general would rather commit sudoku than exist with zoophiles in it.

I'm new here, are there many zoo's on this board? I think foxes are beautiful but not like that.

>>4800625
This rocks lol

>>4800617
the sad part about what happened to /dog/ is it wasn't just that they disliked a fetish
their zoophile actually did rape an animal and they wanted to get him arrested, and all the thread ruining was that zoophile and his friends wildly spamming troll posts and insisting that specific people (anyone who disliked him) leave.

anya's owner seems to have fucked off from 4chan as a whole, maybe because /dog/ succeeded in doxing him or getting the attention of someone who recognized him, maybe because he died of a fentanyl overdose, so it should heal now, hopefully.

>>4800633
I love foxes in every imaginable way

>>4800633
but also I'm not here to derail the thread like the off-topic doomposters above
post foxes love foxes to any capacity

>>4800633
just a few really annoying ones like dani. filter him. most of us did.
fucking dani brought this shit up to humblebrag because hes part of the raiding group that killed /dog/

>>4800686
Deviants are deviants all the same. Sure, vorarephilia might not be as harmful in real life as zoophilia, but any mention of it drives all others out, homogenizing the community and making genuine discussion impossible.
If you want /fox/ to improve, leave. This community has no need for cancer like you or the tripfaggot.

>>4800691
There's always the option of making another thread, you know.

>>4800633
There are a few. They all joined a convenient list so you can recognize and ignore them when they post.

A certain fox = our tripfag (who doesnt always post with his trip), hes ALL the zoo content here and samefags to back himself up. Just ignore him.

>>4800695
>make another thread
>because the megalomaniacs in charge of this shithole think this circlejerk is enough, it gets deleted after a couple posts
It's not worth it unless they would delete this den of degeneracy in its presence.

Whatever, man. I'll just keep posting vore for now.

It's just quite fascinating how someone so enamored to a certain kink would be utterly repulsed by another. Why not expand your repertoire instead of being such a picky eater?

don't engage with off-topic shitposting and other low quality garbage
ignore and ______
if they actually cared about board quality they would be contributing to it instead of trying to derail

>>4800708
Why do all arctic summer coats look the same? Other than that of the polar bears, of course.

>>4800709
As always, you could just make another thread.

>>4800686
>>4800695
>>4800700
>>4800706
>trip off, samefagging engaged
Fuck off back to /trash/ you
DOUBLE FOGGER

>>4800690
>"us"
>first iPhone image filename in the thread
>not to mention what the second one is (even incrementing from 9702 to 9703)
You are embarrassingly bad at what you're trying to do.

>>4800717
>You are embarrassingly bad at what you're trying to do.
What anon is trying to do is tell an innocent newfag how to avoid the disgusting zoos. A noble act.

>>4800717
Complaining about filenames is such an electionigger thing to do.

>>4800717
well its certainly a good explanation for why the f*rry tr*pfag brought up /dog/ out of nowhere and who really voreposts. i expect no less of tr*ps.

>>4800696
Oh really? Interesting, I've looked into Dani but all I found is a ED page with broken images. Not sure how to recognise anyone except Dani. I don't know how tripcodes work either but eh, that's for me to learn. I did think Dani was just eccentric
Would love to learn more about the situation but I don't know where you'd go to talk about that.

>>4800724
I'm trying my best to learn :)

>>4800745
If someone seems to harbor any sexual feelings towards anything involving animals ignore them, report them for trolling if it seems explicit or for violating US law if its extra gross. Simple as.

>>4800749
I see, forgot there was a report button. Thanks for lettin' me know

The grimace reminds me of the SNES era Star Fox stuff with the puppets.

>>4800756
It's a bit of a shame that snarling isn't really in their repertoire of expressions.

All in favor of /fox/ being a zoophile/fetishist free zone, post a fox

All against, return to the furry containment zone.
>>>/trash/fox

>>4800773
I respect your ideas, but it's gonna be a pretty impossible uphill battle to make people on an anonymous website actually leave. Just ignore them. I'll always be here to post regular content either way.

>>4800809
>learned helplessness
If you defeatist cunts actually contributed instead of being sitting ducks, we might actually purify /fox/.
Take the initiative. Don’t let the degenerates start a new /fox/ Post a disclaimer on the OP to filter all tripfaggots and report all potential fetish content.

>>4800821
why are you zoomers so puritanical

>>4800821
Hey moralfag, is this fetish content in your discering-ass eyes?

>zoofags: Ignore us!
>zoofags when people hate them: HEY SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Why cant they take their own advice

Looks like dani’s little raiding group is itching to do what they did in /dog/. But none of us have a personal investment so it cant work.

>>4800850
That pic is funny on its own, but to think that the skin of a real fox was mangled like that makes me feel a little disgusted.

>>4800860
Beginner taxidermists have to start somewhere lol.

>>4800850
anyone who says no is not right in their minds
so yes

>>4800850
the fox wanted to be remembered this way

>>4800825
Why are you millennials so faggitanical?

>>4800752
oh to be a nano on a fox's nose...

Kitsune Dani 狐ΘΔ

Didkn't expect the pawst to become a literal /dog/whistle...

>>4800617
>[...] /an/ can not actually have a thread based on people posting their own dogs [...]
Demonstrably untrue. You could pull up the thread right now and there's even videos of peoples' own dogs. Also, not quite the same fur sure, butt people've pawsted their Fox OC here. Idk what weird ideas go thru your head when they do butt I just feel jealous that so many people regularly get to see Foxes.

>>4800696
>A certain fox = our tripfag [...]
False and you know it.

Anonymous

>>4801010
you sure have a lot to say about the thread you shit up mate. keep it to yourself.

What’s your favorite folklore fox character?

>>4801044
Is it offensive here to say inari is a folklore "character"?

>walk in
>see influx of posts
>”woah, what the hell happened he-“
Oh…

>>4800836
>Looks like dani’s little raiding group is itching to do what they did in /dog/.
So that guy is a raider too? Figured as much

>>4801128
If mods did their jobs they'd have cleaned up that off-topic garbage. Thread for foxes, not raiding faggots trying to stage witch hunts.

>>4801151
Why are all carnivora babies like this?

>>4801152
all babies are like this really

>>4789806
came to this thread with biology discussions in mind, wasnt expecting something like this

>>4801337
something based you mean yeah we love her too

>>4801037
my fursuit fox head is way cooler than that one

>>4801044
I don't know much about folklore but I love the illustration.

>>4801167
>>4801167
>>4801167
Should we.move to this thread or make a new one that isn't tainted with drama?

>>4801608
The OP is already dramafagging