how would our unrealistic dreams actually play out

The majority of people come here at some point for a fantasy DIY thing they have but never go through with it. But it's nice to talk about it and find out how plausible it would be if you actually follow through with it.
In my case, i have a friend who's interested in the same dumb idea as i am
Idea is to get a castle built basically, plain and simple. To avoid sounding or looking autistic we just say manor and dont have the idea to add in fake battlements and towers, just a set of buildings that naturally wall itself off from the outside world with a courtyard in the center, to house a few families worth of people (my family, his, and possibly some other friends)
it'd have a reasonable square footage per person, and if my career and inheritence goals become fulfilled i should be able to afford as much as 700k for building the home, he might be able to afford 250k-500k depending on if he ever manages to create a successful business, and additional rent could be collected from any other roommates living with us
lets say a construction crew builds the walls and foundation out of limestone or granite bricks, and professionals do the electrical, plumbing, and heating work, as well as the roof frame, could I feasibly construct the floors (going up to 4 stories tall at the highest), install the roof tiles, and rennovate the rooms using mostly lumber and plaster? I'd have help of course, but I'd be concerned that a full time job would take away the time i need to properly construct it.

forgot to mention doorways/windows would also be done by professionals<br>interior would mostly be in this theme, stone walls are just plastered over and painted with nothing more, with the interior walls being made out of wood to connect electrical sockets, plumbing, and any heating systems, which would also go through the floors or maybe even wood pillars

this is my quick sketch of my idea, i know proportions off so dont give me shit for it

>>2797515
It's certainly possible. My grandfather and father did the same thing with our family farm - rebuilt the main house on the old walls while removing the old clay / straw floors, replaced the framing and repaired the roof, then put two more stories o the former stable and baking house and connected the buildings.
They messed up in a few places, such as using lumber that was too thin and is now swinging and creaking with every step or using a too small a siphon so that one bathroom stinks up unless you regularly pour some water in there, but all in all, the house is useable, and I'm slowly fixing the problems now that I'm the one living there.

>>2797534
that sounds quite nice
but i am worried that i'll get assraped by permitting unless i find some niche county nobody lives in, which wouldnt work out since i'd have to do it near where me and the friend's i'd encourage to move in with are
i dont know how terrible dealing with regulations are and i have the strong feeling that any inspector is just going to look for a way to find something wrong with one small thing and try to shut it down
of course i'd hire someone to make sure that doesnt happen, but if i work with those people then they'll likely refuse to let me do much of anything myself in order to make me spend as much money as possible on the construction company rather than the house itself

>>2797515
>unrealistic
I just want to build a house semi-innawoods and be left alone.

>>2797547
practice by building dugouts or small shacks on your land and maintaining them, try to make one as nice as possible
camp out in them to get used to it, and if you like it, build a house

>>2797538
If you can get planning permission for row-housing you are basically there, the row just happens to bend into a circle.

You are probably gonna want to figure out how a COOP or HOA thing is gonna work since you will share a common courtyard space, roof maintenance. All that shit still has to work smoothly if one of your pals gets divorced and has to sell their share.

>>2797515
Ruby ridge, Waco, many such cases

>>2797538
Read the laws first, then. Here in germany, for example, you can dodge most of the permit requirements if you know how. Won't bore you with the details, but it's really simple stuff like declaring a house a shed for the first seven years, or feeding your grass cuttings to your children's pets to legally be considered a farmer.

And if like my family, you start from an old house that
a. isn't part of residential zone development
b. isn't under special protection because some historical person lived there or something similar
you can basically do whatever you want as long as the roof height and the length along your plot's borders remain the same, and legal requirements for firefighting and sewage are complied with.

Can't tell you what your local laws are like, of course, but starting from an existing farm would probably be easiest, legally speaking. Maintain the main building, place some "sheds" around it, then rebuild those sheds into living spaces.

>>2797515
i think if you aren't rich, the only way to do it would to be work construction jobs and get away with stealing building materials for a decade or 2.

>>2797839
>All that shit still has to work smoothly if one of your pals gets divorced and has to sell their share
this is the biggest issue in plans with living, but we're all friends that go to the same orthodox church and have connections through godparents
we see eachother almost like family
and since we're orthodox the likelyhood of divorce seems very low, not simply because theres rules against it but also because it teaches people to be as good of a person as you can be to your spouse
never seen an unhappy marriage in my church, and those who get married usually have several children
also only two of my friends are actually married, one being the guy who's interested in this thing like i am
for the row housing, i dont know if that could fit the legal definition or regulations, because the living spaces would likely be shared
and if by HOA you mean home owners association or something, the structure will be built on wooded or farm land
>>2797855
i dont think farmers are legally treated different from normal people, the only difference is that they arent subjected to the laws of a town or city, but still are to state and county laws
and while i'd love to build off an existing structure, the majority of farmhouses in america are massive mcmansions nobody can afford or shitty mobile homes, which i dont really want attached to a structure like a castle
and since a home on a property makes any land retardedly more expensive even if they're really dogshit and old its completely unviable to buy land with a house on it
for example heres this farmhouse near me, the house itself would only be worth like 250k on its own but because whatever boomer asshole owns this thinks his property is worth much more than that he's selling it for 2.5 million
https://www.landsearch.com/properti<wbr>es/dorrance-ks-67634/3305551
its also important to note that the average price per acre is only $3000, so the land should really only be worth $35,000 at best

>>2797862
some quotes i've heard for housebuilding online come at like $100 per square foot
its not from what i've asked any construction company or architect, but if i can keep it at or below that value its attainable
it should especially help that they'd essentially only be doing the exterior walls
also i said i'd have them do the roof framing, but truthfully i dont know if i trust construction companies to even do that well anymore
my biggest fear is that they'll just want to charge millions for simply stacking some fucking bricks instead of making a shitty cardboard house™

looking at this sort of roof design it seems like i could viably construct it myself, especially given the fact that you're apparently supposed to use green wood for roof framing<br>i could probably construct the bulk of the frame on ground level then pully it up to attach it to the walls to avoid the danger of constructing it ontop of the building

yes you can make the shell for like 500 thousand
that is if you can and have the land already, you can also get land super cheap if you go rural

but 2 ways
you build it by hand using cement mixer bricks and rebar

2 easier would be to hire a company that does icf
or they pour all the walls into a solid piece of concrete, like with all the window holes already designed, this could prob do it for 500k,

other than that
why the fuck would yo uwant somthing that big today. unless you have a village or a cult

also its so much cheaper to buy a castle aready made

you do know that you can buy castles for like 50 100k
they just suck and need repairing and are in like rural scotland or italy

>>2798605
the way i've thought it out is 500k (that i'd contribute) for the building of the structure, 200k to buy the land, then my friend contributing what he can for building the structure
>2 easier would be to hire a company that does icf
thats what i plan, with a job that can afford a 500k house i wont have time to lay solid limestone bricks for months (thats a six figure job, it'd likely be as much as 50 hours a week at the worst times)
>unless you have a village or a cult
not too far off the mark
in a previous post i said i go to an orthodox church and some of my close friends from there are connected as a god family
we call ourselves a brotherhood but its just a fancy name for a church youth group for college age people
nice thing about building a castle would be having a chapel for daily prayers, and atleast one of the people who would move in would be likely to be a minor clergy member (theres a deacon, sub deacon, one who's planning to go to seminary, and one other who might be planning to do it in the future)
>you do know that you can buy castles for like 50 100k
i do, and they are pretty attractive looking
france is absolutely filled with them
thing is that while they're cheap for a historic castle, good chances are that i might be able to keep construction prices lower per square foot
also i dont want to learn french and move out to another country

>>2798621
not with the concrete thing*
what i want to do personally is to have it constructed is like pic rel
its the same way castle and cathedral walls were constructed back then, only instead of filling the gaps between the bricks with rubble and mortar, you use steel reinforced concrete (cheaper, more resistant to shock from earthquakes, and likely more erosion resistant due to not being made of lime)

>>2798621
if you have people
its not hard to get a piece of property or even lease a a mansion in a nice city
10 people paying 400 dollars
is easily a 4k for a mansion payment or large house

you can easily get buy abandoned properties with space and buildings
old mines shit like that

in fact i live near a town thats being sold for 1.5 million
thats 50k a month if you have a church

>>2798628
>is easily a 4k for a mansion payment or large house
i have other options already available if i want to just live in a large modern home with my friends
for example i was offered to move in as a roommate for $200/month rent in a house that would easily be worth 500k on the outskirts of my city, and it has about an acre of land with a massive garage i could use as a workshop and one of my friend has a small chicken farm that brings him plenty of income
so far 3 of my friends live there
i was gonna take up the offer but my parents are stubborn and dont want me to move out until i need to for an out of state university in a couple of years (i'm 20)
so i wouldn't be able to build a castle for several years from now anyways, i dont know how badly inflation will affect things and i can only hope that salaries for my field i'm studying go up enough by that point or the housing market crashes again

>>2797522
Lmao it’s literally the castle from Kingdom Come Deliverance

>>2798662
kind of looks like it but missing some parts of it
i was actually influenced by this game from slovakia
my initial drawing was just the building at the back with the tower and a small building connected to it as a single family home
then my friend said "well fuck it i want a castle too" so i expanded it with the idea of accommodating more families, and it turned into that sketch
i'm ditching that draw up for now though and am coming up with a different one thats probably more reasonable in size, since i went a bit overboard with the idea of having several families in one structure

>>2798668
something of a size like pic rel is more like what i'd do

>>2797515
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

unless you are insanely rich you ARE NOT BUILDING A CASTLE.

>>2798767
It's just gonna take forever or have to be made with a lot of penny pinching.

Image is a set of concrete blocks on auction near me, current bid is 40 usd. Buy a bunch of discount shit or second hand pieces.

Also make sure you make a thread once you've bough land OP

>>2798767
like i said its a fantasy, and unrealistic, of course its not gonna happen
it could happen if where i see myself in a decade was where i am right now, but right now i'm a poor college student studying to get to that point
and i'm not gonna get my castle because by the time i get to that point the world will have changed too much to allow for me to do a project like this, unless it changes in a positive way which just wont happen
>>2798774
concrete blocks are cringe and gay, i'd rather have a mcmansion than a castle made out of fake bricks
theres a limestone quarry near me and the quotes i've heard for prices dont seem unreasonable for now
but like i said that'll probably change and i'll loose my chance

>>2797515
>But it's nice to talk about it and find out how plausible it would be if you actually follow through with it.

No, it isn't and indulging stupidity one knows is stupid is a waste of thought and time better spend doing or studying seriously both of which are much more fun wanting to improve their lives.

>>2798789
not true
knowing what you can and cant do sets you up for understanding what you can and cant do in daily life, and once you get over unrealistic goals you'll have a better idea of how high you can set goals in the future

>>2797515
i didnt even really read your post because i know it's just weird autistic shit but you would probably need 10 million dollars to build a castle. do you have any idea how expensive stone masonry is?

your fucking foundation alone would probably cost a million. i'm not joking.

god you weekend warrior faggots are so insufferable. in 2024 a million dollars gets you a newly constructed 3 bedroom 2 bath wood framed house built in a flyover state.

>>2798824
>do you have any idea how expensive stone masonry is?
yes i do, and its not as bad is i previously thought it'd be
materials are something of the order of 10-30$ per square foot of full bed stone (3-5 inches or more)
then you double that number to account for the interior and exterior layer and add in the square footage of the missing corners
and you either leave it double thick or you fill in the gaps with stone rubble and mortar or with reinforced concrete
what would get me here is labor costs, not material costs

>>2799028
and how many sq ft do you think a mason is going to lay a day? with full thickness it's probably around 15 sq ft but that number changes dramatically if they have to dress every stone because you bought rubble for material.

let's assume there is a conservative estimate of 20,000 sq ft of stone to lay on your 'castle', that's 1333 days of labor just to do walls at $400 a day for an experienced mason. that's conservatively over half a million dollars just for labor of the walls and that's not including time spent doing lintels, arches and other details which consume a hell of a lot of time, or the business overhead, or scaffolding, etc. stonework alone would easily be a million dollars and all you've got is 4 exterior walls.

>>2799030
>20,000 sq ft of stone
i feel like your calculations are considerably off, 20k square feet is no tiny amount like you're acting it is
lets say for example you have a 20x50 (1000 square foot) room thats 8 feet tall
the square footage of the interior walls would be approximately 1100k
double that and add some to account for the corners and you're at somewhere around 2600k-3000k square feet of wall
i know for certain that i myself wouldn't be able to afford more than 4000 a square feet (of floor area) share of the building, which is only 4 times the figure i mentioned, anyone else who's interested in living in it would have to pitch in to make it larger, such as my friend

OP, you reminded me of this weirdo memory.

One time I bought a vehicle off a guy in Lubbock, and the directions he gave sounded ridiculous. But yeah, it's some kind of castle, down a dirt road.
If I recall correctly, he said his daughter wanted to live in a castle, so that's the kind of place he had built. She'd grown up/moved out, he still lived there.

I went into his office to get the title, and he had a carburetor in his hand, with gas still in it. Set it down on a stack of porno magazines (this was <10 years ago, not the 1970s or something), spilled gas everywhere.
Such a strange experience.

6417 166th St, Lubbock, TX

>>2799046
jej this is the stupidest looking shit

>>2797551
>practice by building dugouts or small shacks on your land
>on your land
>your land

You already lost me.

>>2799036
well do you want a 1000 square foot room with 8 foot tall walls or do you want a castle? you said castle not a stone shack

I would love to buy an old farm like pic rel and rebuil it historically correct
>its so old it does not even have electricity or running water

>>2799423
a single building of a castle can be pretty large at just 4000 square feet is my point, and since i'd be roofing it myself i'd be getting a fair amount more space in a rennovated attic
also i realize i accidentally kept putting k after numbers that didnt need them
with my new plans i'm working on, it would be a set of towers
lets say arbitrarily that the part of the castle i could construct was a single tower out of 4 or 5 overall, and that each floor in this tower was 20x50 feet
that means i'd be able to have 4 floors, and an additional floor built into the attic
heres a picture to visualize a 20x50 space

>>2799487
thats a nice dream anon
is this in europe?

>>2797515
>>2797522
In Europe this is nothing special, just an ordinary courtyard.

When i bought my little wooden shitshack house a few years ago basically the day it closed a seaside wooden victorian manor (turrets, wrap around porch, you name it) in the same neighborhood went on the market for the same price, and i was despondent with fomo and buyers remorse
Now a few years in im so fucking glad i didnt buy that house
I was blind to the realities of owning a home, even though everyone warns you its difficult to understand until you do it
Its a gorgeous house, dont get me wrong, but it always looks like its getting major work done like theres always scaffold and work trucks, meanwhile im crying when i have to go on the roof and put a shingle back on
I also learned it was been lifted up off its foundation and moved away from the sea twice in the last 50 years because the land it sits on is eroding, and now its as clise to the road as it can be
Unless i come into insane 'never have to think about money again' money, i will always live in a simple wooden rectangle

>>2799542
this is the number one reason castle fantasies dont play out well often, atleast if you ever want a castle that's actually like the originals, because at the end of the day all the original castles are structurally the same as the tens of thousands of abandoned old stone farmhouses on the european countryside, just bigger and harder to repair
that said theres still something nice about the idea of raising a house through your own work and money, plastering and painting the walls, and renovating things
but its one thing to do that as a hobby, and another thing to have to do it in order to have a livable home

>>2800429
there was a specific reason for not connecting those walls, and the gate being in an odd place was just aesthetic choice i liked, and the reason for steep roofs is for attic space that can be used as additional large rooms without the cost of building more stone walls
heres a newer drawing that focuses on being tall rather than wide, and ignore the shitty outer wall
in the back right corner there'd be a short two story tower for connecting the buildings there

>>2800452
here, a better image
the walkway to the gate would depend on whatever the land is like
like if i can get it on a slope i'd have an elevated walkway with retaining walls going around the side to level ground, if theres a natural dip i'd use a bridge, and if its just flat then it'd be a normal walkway

>>2800457
also i could possibly put the gate on the second level to give the appearance that the structure is taller than it is, and put the structure itself in a depression or next to an upward slope, with the walkway being a sort of bridge over the depression
making it even better is that there'd be a ground floor level door, so you'd be able to walk around the structure and see the bridge from under it

>>2800460
ah here, i've illustrated what i mean and it makes it overall look much nicer
of course it probably looks weird with the courtyard being as low as it is, but if the 'gate' is just the main entrance to the building, it works
an elevated walkway in the courtyard could also work
of course, i would put off building the bridge until i get done with building the main structures and rennovations, since its not really necessary

>>2800467
looks great anon but
even if you were to build it somewhere where it's somewhat cheap to build anything (like southeast europe) it would still cost millions of dollars and take decades of hard work
to reduce the costs you would need your own quarry preferably nearby, some heavy machinery, your own forest for lumber etc.
if a project is massive more setbacks are to be expected

maybe consider building something like picrel and your children and grandchildren can evolve it into original idea
building it with bricks would be several times easier, faster, cheaper
you can even learn to manufacture handmade bricks to make it even cheaper
they are durable and can last for centuries

I'd love to convert an underground military base to a living area with off grid power and water. I just love being underground and can only really get a good sleep if the door is barricaded. I think I could finally fully relax in a building designed to withstand the end of the world.

>>2800667
>>2800672
you're right about most of the things you say, and i agree with the idea of just starting with a few buildings that generations in the future would expand off of, but overall the biggest setback to castle building is the defensive walls and towers that have 1-2 meter thick layers of bricks, while something i'd build would be a foot at most, maybe thicker at the base or just thinner toward the top
i do like the look of clay bricks, but where i live limestone is pretty plentiful, i dont know that i'd be able to quarry it myself but it means i can get it relatively cheaply without dealing with shipping costs
also for things like archways, windows, etc. I'd use cast stone or clay brick instead of carved stone, which would drastically reduce the cost
another possibility to reduce costs is making the upper floors out of timber rather than stone like in german buildings, and it would reduce the complexity of the scaffolding

people tend to underestimate time and effort needed to build a castle. <br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajq<wbr>ort8ldXA

>>2800734
>Without electricity nor modern tools like mechanical cranes, the team relies on cart horses for all on-site transport of materials and
As long as you're comparing apples to apples...

>>2800734
most of the labor there comes from quarrying the stone, not building
in modern circumstances, a machine does all that, and stone bricks are far, far cheaper than they ever have been historically
they're also effectively building an entire village, not just a castle
even if the surrounding buildings are quickly put together its no easy task to construct all of them


How to start making a game controller?

Anonymous

I've wanted to make a slide-out game controller for phones for a while. I have a software background, so I'm comfortable learning new technologies, but I'm not sure where to begin. My initial idea is to buy an 8bitdo micro and simply shove the guts into different shell that I print to prove the concept. What's the legitimate approach?

>>2797574
How do you intend on connecting it to the phone? If it's bluetooth, you should think about case design- how will it attach to the average phone? Built into a case? double side stick tape? etc,

>>2797577

I plan to take advantage of Apple's magsafe design. I like the way it works for wallets. For Android devices, there is a magnetic sticker you can add to the phone or case to allow them to use it the same way. Communication will be via bluetooth.

>>2797580
what exactly is your question? You seem to know what you need, and it seems legitimate, whatever that means.

>>2797585
I guess I'm trying to ask how to go from "print a shell and transfer guts into it" to "make a legitimate design that I might actually be able to produce for sale".

Like how would I go about putting together a board from scratch with one of those touch sensitive joysticks? Or even just a normal dpad for that matter?

>>2797587
>Like how would I go about putting together a board from scratch with one of those touch sensitive joysticks? Or even just a normal dpad for that matter?

post actual device part name/number or a source. when I google touch sensitive joystick I only see devices that are complete enough to use with a phone already. In other words, find an actual input device and if it's not clear how to interface with a microcontroller then ask us about specific issues. or wait for someone who can help you with your somewhat vague request.

before you start worrying about any of the bullshit you just wrote, have you designed a logo for the controller yet?

>>2797580
>Bluetooth
Well i was interested for a second. Way to blow a good idea.

>>2797672
>ESP32-BLE-Gamepad

Thank you! Very helpful.

>>2797674
Just a prototype, anon. I would like to wire it in too, but I assume it will add complications that I'm not ready to tackle yet. Once I know what I'm doing I'll definitely go for it.

>>2797574
it doesn't matter, you won't do it.

>>2797703
I see what ya did there. The Xperia is sitting on my desk right now, 8bitdo Micro arrives tomorrow.

>>2798087
you sound just as retarded as him. the exact same extremely open ended questions on every single board.

>>2798088
Sounds like a cool guy. Now he has a friend. <3

>>2798102
ok nvm you're not him, sorry. he's very insecure and gets angry when people make fun of him. sorry for bothering you.

>>2797587
You find a board manufacturer, buy a P&P and reflow oven, and piece it together with parts you find off digikey, or go on JLC and overpay for them to assemble it for you, then you contract with local materials science or plastics company (every town I've lived in there's always one within a 30 minute drive) and have them make the cases, or if you're dirt cheap bite the bullet and order them from China and accept the company is gonna reuse the molds themselves or sell them off to someone who will, then again If it's a small run they'll make em out of aluminum so it won't last long anyway, then you piece the whole thing together with threadforming screws. If your line actually takes off, same story, but you're gonna wanna drop a ton of cash on water-cooled steel molds and etch the PCBs yourself, the price per unit will drop on components on their own.

>>2797587
Here we go, already found a Bluetooth transceiver for ya, look for the PDIP equivalent if there even is one, grab whatever microcontroller you'll be building it off of, some joysticks and buttons, whatever other components you'll need and a chinese eBay power supply and get to prototyping on a breadboard (or copper perfboard like a manly man).

>>2798104
It's ok, I know a lot of people talk shit with ideas they can't deliver on. Hopefully I at least get a prototype working.

>>2798109
Thank you fren.

>>2798118
Exactly the kind of direction I needed. TYVM

>>2797574
>My initial idea is to buy an 8bitdo micro and simply shove the guts into different shell that I print to prove the concept.
not a terrible idea so long as you think you'll be able to get from there to where you want the project to end without having to backtrack. remember - changing the guts will likely require you to make a new case anyway, so it's ebetter to start with something that will let you develop from the start or something you'll be fine not being able to develop much further.


Do my shingles look right where the gable ties in with the rest of the roof? Roof was done less than a year ago and I dont know shit about roofing.

also one of the ridge cap shingles has exposed nails at the end and im wondering if i should bring it up to the roofer

>>2797451
>>2797452
roofer here. Demand they come back and fix all that shit or file a claim, hopefully before you suffer excessive water damage.

What is wrong with it though? Hard to demand they fix it when I don't know what's wrong with it. Someone else told me it's normal for the end shingle on ridge cap to have exposed nails.

>>2797462
inexperienced observer here.
can you explain or summarize what's wrong about this installation?

>>2797478
>can you explain or summarize what's wrong about this installation?

There is nothing wrong with it.
I usually 'lace' the valleys instead of cutting the overlap unless the customer requests it but with 'architectural' shingles like yours, cutting works better.
They should have put a dab of sealer on the exposed heads on the final cap.

>>2797451
Looks like a straightforward roof. Also looks OK.
Those gulleys could use some flashing. My old roof didn’t have it and all the shingles went really bad in that area. New one does though.
How much did yours cost? Mine looks to be your size and was $16k.

>>2797553
Cost $7k with certainteed shingles. House is about 1700sqft single level. Just hoping it was installed right in case I ever need to use warranty.

>>2797462
>Demand they come back and fix all that shit
>>2797549
>There is nothing wrong with it
I hope these replies were made by two different people

It's still not clear whether there's a problem or not, and if so, what the problem is.

>>2797452
Put some mastic on the heads and she'll be good for 30 years.

>>2797469
Yes, you have to finish the ridge cap somewhere. They should have clear caulking on it. Sometimes they will cut a ridge cap shingle and put a small piece with the sealant strip over the nails, but that will just fall off in a year or two. Did they put ice and water shield in the valleys, or did you get niggers by your roofer?
>>2797549
Woven valleys are a bitch. We do "California cut" only
>>2797556
Lol at your "warranty". If you ever have an issue, it's in the manufacturer to make it right. The manufacturer will also 100% try and find a way out of it through improper installation. OC does that shit all the time. The only warranties that actually matter in the roofing industry are single ply NDL's, and that's because they have an inspection by the technical rep from the manufacturer to verify it's been applied to whatever minimum installation specs the NDL requires, and the warranty is an insurance policy through someone like Factory Mutual and not some manufacturer "let's hope they cover it" bullshit.

>>2797556
$7k in 2024??? there's no way.

> House is about 1700sqft single level
it would have been at least $12k even before the pandemic.

>>2799971
you can get a roof done for 500 a square easily idgi, especially a walkable ranch where you can throw all of the garbage off the roof into the dumpster
roof looks fine op
>>2797564
there already is silicone on them lol


>>2797611
Looks like ol' Harvey is a ball to be around!

>>2797604
>tool shills that also shill other tool shills
>hey did you catch that new tool tool shill did a video on!
kys

i can tell by the eyebrows that she's a man

>>2797604
>I want Sarah to review my tool.
It's a cute little travel pocket model!

>>2798203
she does love her baby chainsaws...

>>2797604
is she in the sun alot

why is her forehead doing that. why are her teeth the same color as her skin. why are her eyebrows painted on? why is her jaw so squared?

>>2798203
I’ll put it in her pocket, if you know what I mean


We have a Red Lion G308A210 HMI on a machine at work with touchscreen issues. The touchscreen will work for one minute and then become unresponsive for 10-20 minutes, then it may work for 1 or 2 minutes again and then it dies again. Power cycling it does nothing. The machine manufacturer wants 12.000€ for a replacement, with a 6.000 euro "core" refund when we return the broken one. Some questions:
Is it really the touch panel? The fact that its somewhat intermittent makes me think it may be a board issue. I don't want to fuck with it and then the manufacturer not accepting the core back if the touch panel replacement doesn't work.
The HMI uses a CompactFlash for the software. If we buy a used/refurbished one from Ebay, same exact model, will it boot the program with the old CF card in it and just work or does it require further programming?
Is replacement of the touch panel a matter of peeling the front "sticker", replacing touch panel (I think it's not fused to the LCD) and then applying the "sticker" again?
Will heat on the edges of the touch panel work temporarily?

>>2797761
>Is it really the touch panel?
could be anything
>same exact model
if its exactly the same and you move the card across it probably will work, as long as they are the same.
>Is replacement of the touch panel
i thought you said it wasn't the touch panel?
>Will heat on the edges of the touch panel work temporarily?
to what end?
personally i avoid fucking with glued shit as much as possible.

i can see ebay has touch&'sticker' kits for a few hundred, rs was selling (discontinued) units for ~2k so 6k you seem to be getting shafted big time.
majority of this question boils down to how much its worth to you, if the 6k is reasonable and you are tight, or if 6k is out of the question. only you know that really.

do you have any backup plan? if its obsolete might be worth replacing altogether. really all depends on the company/setup/culture and how technical the staff is as to what you can do with it.

>>2797983
>i thought you said it wasn't the touch panel?

I mean, it could. But meh. 200 euro is cheaper than 3000 euro (for a used/NOS one) or 6000 euro (for a manufacturer approved solution

Replacing with something different it is not really feasible as it runs a complex program for a 100.000 euro rotary die label cutting machine and it communicates with a Mitsubishi PLC with multiple controls. Rewriting the software from scratch is a great undertaking. Upgrading to a newer Red Lion HMI could work, and I could probably upgrade the program to run on it myself (I would only have to create a new button to open the sidebar that triggers with the menu hardbutton, and maybe fix some graphical stuff due to different screen resolutions) but I'm officially just a machine operator that unofficially does mechanical and low voltage electrical maintenance on them, and undertaking such a project is way above my paygrade. And would not lead to any improved future prospects here, as were a small and I can't go any higher. Maybe a 50 or 100 euro tip from the boss but meh.

FWIW, lightly heating (50-60 degrees) the screen borders with a heatgun on low has mostly fixed the problem (only a couple of missed taps now).

>>2797994
I'm not surprised if heat had an effect, thermal expansion or solder issues were the first thing I thought of. It could just be a bit of solder that needs reflowing. Is it a resistive or capacitive touchscreen by the way?

>>2798388
It's 4 wire resistive. Supposedly heat fixes issues with the conductive bars around the edges.

>>2798465
All operators use fingers and not stylii. It's just old, and due to the nature of the machine's operation, you have to tap the display constantly Once the label rolls finish, cut the web and tape the ends, tap to deflate the rewind mandrel, remove rolls, insert empty cores, tap to inflate rewind mandrel, tap to advance the web, glue the web to the cores, tap to restart operation. Speed adjustment is required pretty often and that happens on the screen too using a slider instead of a rotary encoder.

>>2798473
heh we have physical buttons for the these common functions
>t. label machine builder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yf<wbr>0_WK5o8w
On the CF card, it appears the configuration is stored on internal memory and the CF card its used as additional file storage. However there is a recovery procedure, if your supplier is not a retard, you might find that file on the card. might need a usb cf reader to check that


Is it normal for there to be more than one interview for trade jobs? Is the second interview to be offered job or are you meant to demonstrate your skills?

>>2797511
fuck this world has gotten gay. i remember trade job "interviews" being either a phone call or a 10 min talk session and then showing up the next day with your lunchbox and gloves. if you hadn't cut it by the end of the day or week, you got told to pack your shit up and move on
t. ruralfag millennial

>>2797645
Just went through my second interview in front of a 3 people strong room. For a non qualified waggie job btw.

>>2798377
I went through a panel interview for a part-time job in park maintenance for my small hometown (life isn't going so hot)
I didn't get the job. Is it normal for a job like that to really want someone with plumbing skills? Because they really seemed to prefer that I had that.

Sieg heil

>>2797511
Yeah my first cnc mill operator job years ago was a 4 interview thing, 1 phone call, 1 meet the hiring manager , 1 hr lady and hiring manager and one owner hiring manager hr lady

This was for a no experience, minimum wage we will train you type jobs

I wanted to learn how to machine with out school so I stuck it out

Anonymous

>>2798402
>park maintenance
If it's a park with camping and support facilities then I can definitely see plumbing skills being a thing they looked for in applicants.
I hope things get better.

>>2798433
>4
Wtf

>>2798441
It has no camping besides whatever bum hides out in the creek or forest. It has one publicly available restroom shack. All I've ever seen the park workers do is mow lawns and clean and restock the shitters.

>>2797511
I guess non-destructive testing/inspection doesn’t count as a trade, but when I finally got offers for it my “interviews” were a single casual event and more of a description of the job duties than an interview. Eventually, I was offered a job over the phone without a meeting happening yet. I also got offered a job as a surveyor over the phone that I didn’t take.
>>2798402
Are you me? I just left inspection to go back to park maintenance and had a single panel interview too, and it was quite tough. I got the job though, which is full time and pretty good pay for what it is, due to prior experience. There was no requirement for plumbing skills though for me. In my job we don’t do that beyond basic things like unclogging a toilet.
>It has no camping besides whatever bum hides out in the creek or forest. It has one publicly available restroom shack. All I've ever seen the park workers do is mow lawns and clean and restock the shitters.
This describes my job situation roughly too, so it is weird then that they asked for plumbing from you. If the job you applied for is a municipal/government one like it sounds like, then I’m sure the intensive panel interview you and me got is pretty standard everywhere else.

If you kept applying for these jobs, I would think you would have a decent chance at getting one, if you have a little bit of general maintenance/mechanical knowledge or labour experience.

>>2798635
>>2798402
Keep in mind too, that they might have being going hard on the plumbing questions, just because they knew it was something you/people didn’t have and wanted to see how you responded, even though it wasn’t really relevant to the job.

Unfortunately, you have to be on your A game in these tough government interviews and try to demonstrate confidence that you could learn quickly or would have a natural aptitude for the areas that they say you lack in, without sounding like you are just blowing hot air either. Of course, since it is a laborer job, I don’t think most people will be that prepared heading into the interview. Some are naturally good at talking though.

>>2798641
I'm just frustrated. I've been out of work since AUGUST, and I only got my first interview in late March, but that job, county road maintenance, was looking for a shaved gorilla to do it and I'm too fat I guess. I've been to a Starbucks interview and one for Autozone which had to be rescheduled because the hiring manager who set called me, forgot he had to be at another location, in the NEXT FUCKING STATE OVER. Actually went to the rescheduled interview and spent 50 minutes with the guy. Felt good about the interview but then he let's slip that I'm 1 of 500 applicants for this part time position.

>>2798635
Yeah I've tried for local government positions but my county is also notorious for nepo hiring. Could be the city was going through the motions of hiring randos but already knew they were going to hire the supervisor's daughter's dipshit boyfriend or whatever. Rural blue state in this economy is not a fun time.

>>2798402
If it is a public job then they will have a process in place for all appointments so that they can’t be accused of hiring their friends and giving them cozy jobs. If it were a private wildlife park/resort then having a panel makes less sense because they would probably not have the resources to assign three people to vet you.

>>2798402
they want "plumbing" skills since they want you to fix sprinklers. Should have made some shit up
t. former college grounds maintenance

>>2798678
It was a public position for a small "city".

>>2797511
If you’re interviewing you’re a sucker. Just teach yourself

>>2798402
All I can say about any maintenance job is that when I interviewed they wanted somebody with no experience or at least no illusions that there’s a “right” way to do things so that they have to butt heads with some chuck who basically exists to create potential lawsuits.

But that’s for residential maintenance.


>30 bucks pre covid/reddit found them
>60 plus tip a couple years later
Before the end of the decade people will be paying 100 american pesos for pliers lmao.

We got fucked hard by inflation and energy crisis. That model is 35€ even over here. Don't expect any reasonable prices from us the next five years minimum.<br>t. Kraut

>*AHEM*
alright larpers, make way for the real electricians so work can actually be done instead of wanking over muh honorable german tight grain structure steel

>>2797627
Oh ma gawd! Is it real?! It's le epic troll!?!!

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797601
I got $70 at Lowe’s. They got lots of Knipex on their website. What do I need next? Or do I go Klein like a real ‘Murrican?

>>2797601
>60 plus tip
Where are you shopping?

Anonymous

>>2797634
Amazon but yeah already found cheaper ones

I use these quite often. They are vastly superior to "channel locks".

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797668
If you think those are good, try the Irwins! The Knipex can barely even hold your stepsister without your mom’s boyfriend helping hold her!

Anonymous

>>2797632
This is an impressive Knipex collection. You even have the foreskin stretcher.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797691
And the Icon Raptors! A tool that I couldn’t justify spending the $40 for the Knipex version because I’m not quite sure where it excels. It looks like it will grab like a bitch on 3/8”-1/2” hex, but so will the Cobras so…

Wondering if I should snag some linesmans and then maybe a long nose? Or some even bigger Cobras/Gators? I got that $70 for Lowe’s out of my ass so I might as well burn it on something dumb

Anonymous

The pair of Husky lineman pliers I found in the parking lot of work has worked for 10 years and will continue to work.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797693
When you step up tho, they’re friggin nice. Not worth it really to a DIYer, but that extra 20% comfort and perfomance is nice over the course of a couple jobs.

Except for the Cobras + Alligators. Even if you’re just a DIYer, spend $50 on a 7” and 10” pair, they’re fucking miles ahead of your basic flat jaw channellocks. You can easily grip and twist stuff with the Cobras that you wouldn’t come close to moving with the old school channies. And of all the Cobra knockoffs I have messed with, most of them have an odd grip geometry somewhere (or everywhere) along the jaw opening range, but the friggin Germans did it right.

Anonymous

>>2797695
>an odd grip geometry
babby hand cope

>>2797695
Nah brah, I'm a total tool Jew. I love a good deal, preferably free. I'd say a good 30% of my toolbox is from REKT tools I buy from this local store that buys returns/overstock for .50 or $1 then return to Lowe's Home Depot or Harbor Freight

>>2797687
Irwins are comparable to Harbor Freight garbage. You must be in poverty.

>>2797698
The Indian is more important than the arrow, Kimosabe.

>>2797632
Red pill me on the wire strippers.

>>2797617
No, it’s a cash grab.
Prices will never go down.
Just like the fake coffee crisis in the 80s
Now with olive oil.

>>2797720
I meant that as "when wages and shipping adjusted", not products getting cheaper again. That ship has long left the harbor.

haha buy....
no you can rent
in the near future it is illegal to own pliers

>>2797601
those soft handles are fucking shit
i have knipex needle nose with those and i peeled them the fuck off. how do people like them

>>2797738
I call bullshit. None of mine are even close to peeling off, heck my father's VDE series is still going strong and those are almost as old as me.

>>2797743
I didn't say they peeled off by themselves, I did it myself voluntarily
Work on reading comprehension dummy

>>2797745
Wat
So you destroyed your tools and are complaining about it now. Are you alright?

>>2797748
You are thick, please learn to read properly
I didn't "destroy" my tool, I got rid of the part that I didn't like about it. Not hard to grasp is it?

>>2797752
>mr therapist? I got rid of shitty grips on my pliers and they still function fine, I'm just here to tell you about it because an anon who literally doesn't understand english despite being a native speaker told me to seek you out

>>2797617
>>2797601
germany's germans are dying and retiring, and thus so is it's industry and economy. The war only sped it up with increase fuel costs, their entire system was based on cheap russia fuel, but covid killed their people so now all that remains are turkroaches.
It's the end of german tools as you know it, there are more turks than germans now.

>>2797692
i got one them cobra adjust swedish wrenchs how is the manual one I feel they are shit compared to normal money wrench.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797696
Akchually I tell people never to buy those XS or 5” tools because they’re impossible to work with above average size man hands. I haven’t figured out how to work them with 2 fingers.

>>2797717
They just work, they strip and cut so clean. Most all in one tools suck, but those strip better than my regular Klein and Ideal strippers.

>>2797738
I’m tempted to try them, everything I have is the regular dipped, even the stuff that was cheaper for the comfort grip. A lot of company’s comfort grips just ruin the pliers and you can’t go wrong with the dipped handles as long as they don’t slip. Makes certain tools bulky too.

>>2797792
That’s an Icon one, I snagged it a couple weeks ago with some dumb coupon they sent so I don’t have a real judgement yet. If it comes in real handy, maybe I go Knipex on another size. But I wasn’t trying to spend $100 on a once a year wrench like that.

Anonymous

>>2797601
>new pliers from a shop
There's millions of these mass produced pliers lying around. You can pick new or barely used ones up for couple bucks at a fleamarket. And when some boomer dies all his tool stash (unused kek) gets sold off as well. same with boomer porcelain. Even if they stopped producing I don't think we will run out of pliers anytime soon.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2797843
Shitty pliers are shitty when they’re new, but they become really shitty the first time you touch anything harder than copper with them. If boomers had boxes full of good pliers, you might survive, but I had some cheap Craftsman Evolves and the teeth were ground flat so fucking fast.

Anonymous

i bought a bunch of knipex stuff in 2020. i like it, but i still find myself carrying my old, narrow 420 channellocks. even bought the mini cobra, but went back to gluing a magnet inside my hardhat and keeping my 4" channelocks handy stuck to the side of my head.

>>2797617
"Energy crisis" and inflation are excuses of the industry to prop up prices

Doubt knipex even manufactures there metal stuff in germany anymore

t. Kraut

>>2797791
every problem you mentioned as a common root source

>>2797815
yah but feels like a normal pipe wrench is better when you go so big.

FYI, this is what you pay for:<br>https://youtu.be/N12lGLyEufc?t=5760<wbr>

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798089
You notice a lot when you get a cheap Chinese knockoff and see them side by side

>>2798136
Pics don’t do justice describing how awful the cheap dipped grips on the knockoffs feel. I’m sure within a couple weeks, the grips would be gone from the cheap one whereas that Knipex textured dip doesn’t crack and peel as easily as most.

>>2798138
I need me a set of those Jappo HRC files they sell for way too much money

>>2798140
The knockoff one needs an orthodontist

Anonymous

>>2797913
why? are you masochistic and like it when they pinch the shit out of you?

>>2797791
watched a video on how BMW sportbikes are made
at the end of the video there was an angry looking brown guy driving the forklift
everyone else in the video was german

>>2798211
i like 'em. and i don't flip the fuck out every 5 minutes and think mexicans stole them when i lay them down somewhere.

>>2797695
How well do the Knipex ones cut? I'm mostly doing 16gauge stranded stuff and I already have a dedicated insulation stripper. Right now I have an Irwin stripper that I use exclusively to make the cuts and nothing else.

>>2797601
Or at least $90 wouldn't be so bad.

i really like the knipex concrete nippers but other than that don't really care about the brand

>>2798224
fair enough
being paranoid about expensive tools getting stolen does suck
id just get a holster for my mini knipex in your situation but whatever

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798231
They cut great, better than I would ever expect for some 6-in-1 tool. Knipex is known for doing a really good job on all their curtting tools and they hold an edge forever.

Anonymous

>>2797601
>Before the end of the decade people will be paying 100 american pesos for pliers lmao.
nah, before the end of the decade they won't be available for sale to the general public anymore and you'll be forced to rent them for $19.99/hr

>>2797993
this has been debunked
>>2798089
that video shows why their shit is so good compared to the chink stuff. they pick a fitting steel mix and rely heavily on robots, the victorinox of toolmaker

>>2798235
i found a pair of those for a buck at a flea market. must be pre-mid 80's, they're stamped west germany.

>>2798321
factories didnt suddenly stop putting west Germany on their shit in 89
those gift screwdriver still have it in fucking 2024

>>2798330
dang, I wish I could find some Confederate States of America screwdrivers

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798271
>rent
I figured 10yrs isn’t too far away, we would probably still be able to lease them for $10.99/mo for 36mos as long as we pay all of our carbon taxes on time.

Anonymous

>>2798089
>Couple minorities feeding the machines but otherwise it's autistic krauts in development, quality control and running the show
Yep, knipex is looking solid.

>>2797632
>doesn't even have the best ones

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798382
The regular Cobra/Alligator head isn’t that fat at all. What do you gain? Like 1/2” clearance max? I haven’t run into spots where I wish I had the slim version enough to justify another 10” pair when I already have 10” Alligators, 10” Cobras that I snagged for $11, plus some 10” Irwin knockoffs and the NWS-made Kleins in the same size.

Anonymous

>>2798392
Not him but I find them very handy. I always run into spots where clearance is an issue. They paid for themselves when I had to leak test a system in a residential highrise that somehow had loose, leaky packing nuts on half the valves installed on 20 floors.

Sieg heil

>>2797601
It’s a fad, idk why but these dudes on Reddit that work in office buildings think it’s manly to carry around a benchmade or some other expensive pocket knife, and a pair of pliers in their suit???

Anonymous

Get on my level. Picunrel.
Electrician here. I can work with just about anything if need be. The quality difference is negligible. I don’t buy expensive ones, because I have never worn out a pair of cutters/pliers.
Most are just lost/stolen.
Good proportion rusted out left in my pickup
Many were left in ceiling crawl-spaces/walls/in sub-panels etc.
Lots were lent out and disappeared.

A friend of mine is a butcher, I asked him what kind of knives he uses, figuring he’d use some kind of expensive japanese/dumbascus steel thing…. Nope.. uses “Laser” (sp?) stainless steel knives.
Chucks in the garbage when done or dull.

Anything more than the cheapest usable crap is just for show-and-tell.
Do likewise, gents.

>>2797720
that's my conclusion too.
Saw it in full force with Kroger
>2019: For some dumb reason here's a patio set at a grocery store for $400
>2020: Get this $1,000 patio set before you die without a patio set
>2022: Patio set, $400
>2024: we're a grocery store.

>>2798496
That looks stupid.

Link plox?

>>2797632
Nigger I see that fucking icon hiding there on the end

>>2798496
God-tier Electrician here. No 8/32 or 6/32 screw cutter. Not optimal for use in the USA. Intriguing design, though.

>>2797632
>Pack of Newports
Found the NAPA.

>>2798343
back in the 1860s we called them "turnscrews"

>>2798392
It's nice to have the long flat section at the tip.

>>2797668
Why on earth would you not get the cobra instead?

>>2798562
I had the cobra with the push button. These are much easier to manipulate one-handed.

>>2797638
Their strippers, pliers and some of their screwdrivers are really nice, however there's a bunch or other stuff they make that would probably be better from other companies. I did however find their adjustable wrenches very nice when a friend lent me one during a project. I would probably avoid most of their other stuff though.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798547
>>2798544
Lies!

>>2798573
The Cobras are nice for having a million positions, but the Alligators are easy to use with one hand and the half moon hinge thing is way better than old school channies, much easier to get in a certain slot.

Tbe Irwin version that ratchets closed is still my favorite.

Anonymous

>>2798141
It’s for gripping and putting grip marks in shit. Chinese one works better, and has a nicer surface finish.
I’ve used mine so much that I’ve actually sharpened the teeth with a triangular file, and then they really look like shit. But at least the really fuck up the surface finsh of pipes and chrone/brushed nickel shower head nipples like they’re supposed to.

>>2798539
>>2798545
https://www.temu.com/ca/1-set-of-el<wbr>ectrician-wire-stripping-pliers-han<wbr>dheld-cable-cutting-and-crimping-pl<wbr>iers-with-pointed-jaws-sharp-enough<wbr>-to-cut-iron-wire-pull-wires-and-st<wbr>rip-electrical-wires-for-electrical<wbr>-equipment-maintenance-and-circuit-<wbr>inspection-g-601099535145319.html

I don’t actually use these, most of mine are mastercraft, power fist, or husky branded.
To the point, though, I could use them if I needed to.

> screw cutters are metric
That wont work in canada either. I try and avoid chopping screws altogether.

>>2798496
>>2798612
…oh and while I’m on the topic, I forgot a major reason why I don’t buy expensive cutters. If you cut live stuff it leaves a huge divot the cutter which you can’t file out and is annoying as hell.
Even if you’re one of those kind of guys who always forces customers to kill the circuit, you still run across the odd live, backfed, or miswired stuff carrying current of some kind.

>>2797632
you got all of those brand new for $70 burgerbux?
or do you not use them?
People laugh at my old wrenches, but I have ones from pre-post WW2 that still work perfect.
thanks gramps, RIP

>>2797641
A lot of things are retardedly expensive on Amazon. That's how they have "free" shipping.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798607
We call that proof of work when the customer complains and says “$400?! You barely even touched anything in there!”

>>2798626
If you tried the Cobras, you would never use your WW2 channies again

Anonymous

>>2797601
Mine were $80 AUD but I stole them from a big warehouse chain so not really

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798639
I think anon was looking at a different model. They vary widely. Linesman pliers could go from like $30 up to $50+ based on grip and features. The cutters are like that too.

And Amazon is pretty fair with Knipex pricing unless it’s from a 3rd party. Shipping doesn’t hit you hard on a $40 pair of pliers. The increased costs because of the free shipping shows up on <$10 items that are $9 on Amazon but $4 at your local store because they factor in the same day shipping. Also on heavy/oversized items, which is why you will rarely find a floor jack or something on Amazon for less money than Harbor Freight.

Anonymous

>>2798800
I first noticed this comparing basic 16oz claw hammers. $3-4 at harbor freight, $9-10 on amazon

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798855
A ~50pk of zip ties or a single roll of teflon tape is the same shit. But once you get to the 600pk+ of zip ties or the 10pk of teflon tape, you could probably save money ordering online.

Anonymous

>>2797852
Well, here are my fleamarket finds. All a couple of bucks. All basically unused. It's madness how much stuff is floating around. It pains me everytime I have to buy something at a store.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799227
You must be in Yurop.

That would be harder to find in the US, although you could grab affordable Channellock, Klein, and Snap On, but you’re not the only one looking for good deals so it’s a waste of time when you actually need a tool. The fags around here who say “Just go to the pawn shop and flea markets and build a socket set piece by piece with old SK!” obviously do not value their time. Even if I were in Yurop, I could spend a Saturday morning making $150-$300 doing a side job instead of hoping I found another 10” Alligator for $5.

Also these Cobras were $11. Check the clearance aisle when you’re at the hardware store since most of us are probably at Home Depot or Lowe’s twice a week anyway. I went to flea markets and pawn shops like half a dozen times and realized there’s very little upside to it unless you’re unemployed. The majority of the tools are budget crap that got dumped after the kids cleaned dead grandpa’s garage out, and the good stuff is priced at 90% of MSRP, so I would rather buy new and get a warranty and there’s a good chance I get a better deal. Most people google prices before they sell them at the flea market so you rarely catch a good deal unless somebody fucks up like this pawn shop near me that had a Power Probe IV mispriced as a used PP3.

Anonymous

>>2799234
>could spend a Saturday morning making $150-$300 doing a side job instead of hoping I found another 10” Alligator for $5.
Yeah, obviously. If you need a certain thing right the fuck now, then it's not a good idea to wait for it. And someone else will tell you it's a waste of time to make 300 on some side job when he made $250,000 last wednesday afternoon on some finance kikery. If it's about slowly building up a collection of good quality tools, a fleamarket is a good place to look is all I'm saying.

>>2799234
>Even if I were in Yurop, I could spend a Saturday morning making $150-$300 doing a side job instead of hoping I found another 10” Alligator for $5.
cute larp

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799270
And I’m saying you need to creep flea markets for multiple afternoons to find those couple pairs of pliers, at a certain point I would rather get shit done and spend the extra $25 because I’m not collecting pokemon cards. As much as I like collecting, I have too many things to do between my own projects and people asking me for stuff and then 10min of shitposting in between.

>>2799276
Ahh, the anon who was confused when he saw a workbench with a couple tools on it and an ongoing project.

Anonymous

>>2799315
>10min of shitposting in between.
you must do 140 one-minute projects every day

>>2799315
you need to back off on the newports about 23 to 27 percent. your poor peabrain needs all the spare oxygen it can get

>>2797692
how do you always have gift cards

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799460
My employer has a bunch of random programs. I get like $300 in Amazon gift cards a year for tracking my steps every day and going to my annual physical.

Anonymous

>>2799492
Jesus christ, do you work with a bunch of fatties or what!

$6 at Grandma’s yard sale.
$10 at pawn shop

There are tools. Why buy new?

>>2799626
>There are tools. Why buy new?

1. I'm an adult
2. I have a job
3. I know what I want, and I know where I can buy it
4. Only slobs with no life drive around hunting for yard sales or visiting the local pawn shops weekly

Love the pipe wrenches. New autococker is ok, good for quickly screwing down small nuts bad for anything near the max jaw width. The bent handle parallel jaws are great.
>>2799547
He lives in a brown state so yes.

>>2797601
They are worth the $80 tho. Klein linemans suck dick. Too tight and they will lock up if you beat them too hard or get them wet. Knipex are loose like a sissies bussy right out of the box and stay that way.

>mine after about 3 years

>>2799656
I have loosened many sissy bussies that were not loose out of the box. You must encounter very low quality sissies.

>>2799633
>bragging about paying full retail price
not the flex you think it is

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799547
If you work for a big company, dig into it. They get breaks from insurance by offering a bunch of health programs and there’s often incentives just for enrolling in some of the shit and then blocking the # when some counselor tries to call you and talk about your blood pressure.

There’s also $50 gift cards here and there for years without accidents or when somebody else fucked something up and you stay late and clean up their mess. Almost all of the Knipex stuff I have is either gifts or impulse buys when I get a couple $25 gift cards.

>>2799626
Because I’m not trying to spend half of every weekend driving around to pawn shops and yard sales for the 1 in 50 chance that there’s a good deal on something that isn’t grandpa’s old ass rusted Craftsman

Anonymous

>>2799698
>Because I’m not trying to spend half of every weekend driving around to pawn shops and yard sales for the 1 in 50 chance that there’s a good deal on something that isn’t grandpa’s old ass rusted Craftsman

This and Ebay is much faster and better. I only buy opportunistically at sales. Auctions etc are for large stuff like steel, steel carts, welding machines, industrial air compressors and much more.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799682
I’m all for grabbing a power tool when you get a free battery and charger with it, but pawn shops and garage sales and flea markets are a waste of time unless your hobbies include creeping garage sales every Saturday morning. And when you find a deal that is too good to pass up but you don’t need the thing, reselling anything for <$50 profit isn’t worth my time either because retards on faceberg marketplace are a huge time suck. If I want to get rid of something and don’t want to throw it in the trash, I’ll list it for an absurdly low number because I’m sick of people not showing or showing up 2 hours late and offering half of the fair price I’m asking because the obviously used item isn’t new in box.

Anonymous

>>2799707
even easier nowadays to find deals without ever setting foot in a yiddish hawk shop. they all list on ebay and it's no risk with easy refunds. why should i drive somewhere or deal with zuckbook fuckwits when i can get a better deal mailed straight to me with a couple clicks instead?

>>2799707
>my time is way too valuable to waste looking for used tools
>anyway back to my 11th consecutive hour of shitposting

10$ set of picks. lifetime warranty. worth a shot
>>2799643
wtf is a brown state
>>2799698
fair enough. my shop has like 12 people so no luck on my end. oh well

>>2799791
ah shit. I thought this was the new tool / consoom thread. whoops

Kevin Van Dam

>>2799835
>>2799791
Half of /diy/ is now a consoom thread!

I still gotta shill for those Mayhew Catspaw mini picks for the money. I grew to like the $2 orange HF pick’s handle size, but I dislike snapping or bending the things. I got a set of Kobalt picks in that same smaller size years ago and never used them because they have a fatter handle.

Anonymous

>>2799968
cool it with the racist remarks buddy
>>2799931
my craftsman handles are probably like your kobalts. you should see how thick (and square) the snapon pick handles are

>>2798213
>look at this ad, we are still white.
look all the other videos wheer muhammed is making benz engines etc. In North America bmw cars are Mexican cars.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2800001
I have some cheap big picks for the shit where I want a big pic. Was trying to avoid that on the small picks. The dental type picks are too small though

The Kobalt ones aren’t that horrible, I just couldn’t get down on that handle shape. It’s too fat to do a 3 finger grip, but too small to hold like a full size screwdriver

Anonymous

>>2800605
damn, you've got alot of em!
what do you do for work if you don't mind Mr asking?

Kevin Van Dam

>>2800628
Professional shitposter

And it’s not really a lot of sets. I got the orange $2 HF ones a long time ago but most of those are bent and I snapped a couple tips. And then the Kobalt ones I snagged on clearance for cheap at some point but didn’t like them, so I got the Mayhew Catspaw ones. And then the dental pick set is for real small stuff, that was a couple bucks from HF.

Those OEM ones are specifically for o-rings and seals. The big pick is for different purposes, and that is some cheap generic set but I got it because it came with a couple scrapers which are handy in spots where a razor blade doesn’t work well. I think it was picrel from an auto parts store.

Then there’s 2 screwdrivers for size reference.


Cheap Material Sources

Anonymous

ITT we share and discuss tips on how to get our hands on cheap materials and "waste".
So far what i've found on this board is:
>go and ask a stone mason for a headstone that has not been paid or broken/waste stones
>go to a concrete plant next to a river and ask for river stones that are too big to be used as gravel
>go to a lime-sand brick factory and ask for clay and soile they have extracted

What other way are there to get your hands on cheap materials?
Which other waste materials could be useful and be acquired cheaply?

Check your local laws and see if you can go around and collect people's garbage before the truck comes. Also, many rural residents will pay you to come get their garbage.

Is there a good way to get wood for cheap?

>>2797988
If you have milling equipment or even a chainsaw and a trailer, and you live in an area with lots of trees, you can offer to haul off downed trees. Pro tree services charge a lot and usually just mulch them.

>>2797823
Fabricators who generate lots of scrap materials will often have stuff they just toss into recycling or the trash, or hang onto but will sell for next to nothing...

You just have to smart in how you approach them, and make it worth their while. That means dont be picky or act like you're doing them a favor, even if you are. It can also help if you buy something from them first and then you are asking as a customer and not just a beggar....lots of times if you go in asking to buy a small piece of material they will just give it to you.

Cabinet and sign shops generate a lot of cutoffs of nice material like Formica and countertop material and plastic sheet, or end up with extra or misordered stock that's too nice to trash but piles up.
Door and window installers usually have old sash and glass units they removed that they just dump, and sometimes cutoffs of jamb stock and moldings that are nice wood.

It just depends on what you need, and how hard it is to deal with.

BecauseISaidSo

>>2797823
The Jews don't want you to know this but the ducks are free at the pond (meme. Oldfag here, did I get it right?)

Home Depot etc has scrap wood that is not inventoried. It's the spacer wood that comes in on truck shipments. It's in the back behind the store. Ask a manager up front if you can have it.

They also have cut wood near the saw, and may let it go next to nothing. Or not. It varies.

My neighbor has a mill, so I get scraps and slabs and build stuff or use it for ground cover. I was taking most of his scrap rather than let it burn -although that's useful too- and he genuinely didn't know what I was using it for. We just have shitty clay out here, good for bricks, not much else, and it gets very slippery when wet. Gravel is what people put down if they're not poorfags.

Slabs are the cuttings from the side of the tree that have bark on one side. They are useful for covering up drainage trenches and decent ones can be shelves, just mount them upside down flat side up.

Local hardware store has free basic pallets, too.

Look for listings in craigs or fbm to take down old shacks and such - you get to keep the material for moving it away.

We are super rural appalachia. Come and squeal like a pig with us.

Anonymous

Keep an eye out for free shit in the classifieds. It's amazing what people will give away just to get rid of it. Doors, old floorboards, complete kitchen units, tables, chairs etc etc. If you've got a truck or trailer you can get great stuff because it's too large for the people to toss themselves. <br>It does pay to be a bit discerning though because you could end up with a hoarder pile

>>2798015
>Local hardware store has free basic pallets, too.
Unfortunately, most pallets are junk. Usually there is very little usable wood by the time they get thrown out, and sometimes they are treated with pesticides that you shouldn't create dust out of. If you can find a clean one you're lucky.

>>2797830
>Check your local laws and see if you can go around and collect people's garbage before the truck comes
>>2798042
>It's amazing what people will give away just to get rid of it. Doors, old floorboards, complete kitchen units, tables, chairs etc etc. If you've got a truck or trailer you can get great stuff because it's too large for the people to toss themselves.
This is what I do. I specifically target the wealthier neighborhoods because they have nicer trash, including stuff that isn't really 'trash' at all, just things they didn't want to store. I have a truck and an amazon girlfriend, so there's really nothing I can't collect from the curbside. If you have a smaller vehicle and/or are doing things solo, you'll have less success

>>2798042
>hoarder pile
I know exactly what you mean!

>>2798004
>Fabricators who generate lots of scrap materials will often have stuff they just toss into recycling or the trash, or hang onto but will sell for next to nothing...
Sounds great, like what fabricators for example?
I heard you can get nice marble and franite from china for super cheap because shipping businesses will ship it almost for free to get their ships weighted down by its load and can therefore load more lighter goods. But im not sure on how to get any of that or where to turn?

>>2798301
>amazon girlfriend
I think he meant Amazonian girlfriend. Picture related.

>>2798417
Lol i thought like an amazon truck driver or customer dervice worker who can get their hands on returned packages for cheap or free.
Have you heard about them giving away returned stuff for cheap? Is there really something to it?

Estate sales. I've been to more than a few and walked into garages/shops with tons of materials, tools, and projects in progress.

They are also great for sourcing high quality items at low prices. Everything from cleaning products at a dollar a bottle to very nice pieces of vintage furniture for next to nothing. I have an expandable solid cherry dining room table that I got for $40 because it was so large it needed to go in a truck and no one else that showed up was interested. Picture related, from Google.

If Habitat for Humanity operates in your area they likely have a ReStore. That is their thrift store. People and business donate building supplies, tools, and tons of other things to them and things that can't use in their buildings end up there. Light fixtures, switches, outlets, cover plates, doors, windows, cabinets, furniture, nuts, blots, nails, paint, sinks, toilets, bathtubs, washers, dryers, stoves, ovens, etc. My even gets Amazon returns because there is a warehouse on the same street and it is cheaper to donate it for the tax write-off then it is to ship it back and resell it.

>>2797823
I want cans for can sealing food but they're $3 a pop online even for a pallet's worth.
For $3 I could get the can at the grocery with food which has been pasteurized and the manufacturer, farmer, and grocer profit.

>>2798426
Ngl that table looks uncomfortable, but your tips sound really good. Where would you try ans get some natural stones from to do stone masonry work?

>>2798751
Are you sure about that? I just found some online for 70 cents for lid and can.
Though its a german website
https://www.flaschenbauer.de/konser<wbr>vendosen/

>>2798770
I'm not certain, but I came to that conclusion after a full day of research. That site doesn't calculate shipping to the US.
House of cans is the defacto source for US based folks. Pic related is the prices ... plus $100 for shipping and then taxes.
I played around with Alibaba who starts prices around $0.80, but ensuring the sizing and after shipping left me without confidence I was wasting time and money.

>>2798777
I guess Alibaba is starting to add up, I just thought there could be a local option that made more sense

>>2797823
>lumber facilities sell sawdust and leftover tree bark on the cheap
>some diners and restaurants give away used cooking oil for free, which is useful for biodiesel
>some companies sell "sand" made from crushed glass bottles
>some CNC companies way give away scrap metal from mill jobs
>if you have a butcher in your area and have a garden, you can ask for any leftover bones and spoiled meat to make into fertilizer or something
>check if a nearby college or university has a dispossession sale program; you'd be surprised by what you could find

>>2798304
Never heard of using valuablrvstone for ballast like that, but places that relieve large shipped items that aren't containerized will often have crates and cradles that are one way items and cab be gotten for cheap, or nothing.

Aa for fabricators, besides the ones mentioned like I say it depends on what materials you want...you may need to think backwards by thinking of who uses the stuff you need and seek them out. Also look to places that do operations for multiple types of industries...placescthat do waterjet and other production machining will often generate cool shapes that just get cut off and sold as scrap, that you can pay slightly more for but still get very useful parts for next to nothing.

FWIW places that do military contracts or work in highly regulated fields like aerospace tend to get rid of material that is slightly out of spec, damaged in one spot, worn tools like drill bits that still have plenty of use in them, outdated or worn jigs that can be cannibalized, and so forth. Search around for where experimental aircraft and DIY boat builders go for that kind of thing in your area area if you are near any kind of manufacturers and you can hit the mother lode.

ThatWasMe

>>2798420
I think that's what he meant 'A girl that works at amazon'.

Pick was funny, but really the fantasy of a homo.

Sieg

>>2798861
>some cnc places give away scrap metal from jobs

No we don’t, we usually save cutoffs and drops to proof our new programs or setups

Then once proven we just toss it in the chip bin the recyclers take out all the solids, coolant then melt the chips

Mash the solids and melt those too

And if I’m the one programming the parts, pull out the remnants of the broken end mill because I run through $8 1/4” carbide endmills like drake runs through a high school girls

Anonymous

>>2797823
are you retarded? you can collect stones from the ground or directly from a stream yourself.

>>2798769
this guy is not drop-leaf pilled. sad.

>>2801200
No you cant, these stones are owned by someone, do you just go into a forest and chop a tree willy-nilly?

theBoss

>>2802065
>these stones are owned by someone

white people always gotta be owning shit

Anonymous

>>2798133
The best thing to do is go through those wealthy neighborhoods when spring hits. They'll be throwing out lawn mowers and other shit like that because they don't know (or care) that the carburetor just needs cleaned or similar easy fixes. They can easily afford to just buy a new one.

theBoss

>>2802128
> just needs cleaned

white ebonics needs to go

Anonymous

>>2802137
Lol this faggot again. No one cares.

theBoss

>>2802138
>>2802140
Hey, be nice. I have some frens in West Virginia. Which holler do you guys hail from?


Anonymous

The holes in the end of caulking/glue tube tips are too big for my ultra precise work. Are there caps or tips you can buy for fine work? I’m trying to lay down beads that are only about 2mm in diameter like 5’ long.

>>2797780
There are precision applicators that are basically syringes-
https://www.finishlinecaulk.com/sto<wbr>re-2/p/style-03-g2rtt-ym75x

There's similar setups with different tips and extrusion profiles, usually sold for doing adhesives. Some cake decorating tools can work too.

Keep in mind that with something as viscous as caulk the back pressure created by a very small orifice can create a lot of problems if you just try to add a tip to a regular tube...so loading a custom mix (slightly thinned) in a smaller one piece syringe or a metal cake decorating press can actually make things easier even though it's an extra step.

>>2797785
Link to the applicator in that pic-

https://www.stewmac.com/luthier-too<wbr>ls-and-supplies/supplies/glue-and-a<wbr>dhesive/applicators-and-pipettes/gl<wbr>ue-syringe/

That place tends to be pricey so shop around...but also note that unlike syringes for water thin or slightly viscous liquids, that one has a knurled and threaded collar/ferrule that clamps the needle tip onto the barrel so it can't pop off under the force needed to pump thick material through it.

>>2797789
Cake decorating version, uses standard piping tips that go down to 1mm round...there's also injector tips for filling pastries that have an extended needle nose if you need to get into tight spaces

https://www.az-boutique.com/mini-ic<wbr>ing-syringe-5-decorating-tips-set-l<wbr>ouis-tellier.html

>>2797780
>The holes in the end of caulking/glue tube tips are too big
There aren't any holes in the end of caulk tubes when you buy them, so you can make the hole whatever size you want. If you need the hole to be smaller than what cutting the tip off gives you, pierce the end with a small nail or something instead. Hell you can even use a thumbtack to make a super tiny pinhole if you wanted.

>>2797920
This. Standard tip should work if you cut it right or drill your own hole in the end.

>>2797796
Not exactly the same thing, but there have been times I've used a pastry bag (the canvas type that takes a liner) for caulking.
Because the caulk gun, the plunger sticking out, and the tip, all of that was too long for me to get an angle on where I needed.
You can get a mess of different tips, too.


Dewalt Dead NCID Batteries

I have a great working Dewalt DC984 drill but the battery packs are dead. Should I try risk it with the scissor trick or something? It would be a waste to not use this anymore. Otherwise I will just go get a new Parkside set or something on a budget

>>2797901
I haven't seen those type of dewalt batteries in ages. I assume they're like... 10+ years old maybe? If that's the case it may just be time to let go.

>>2797901
>It would be a waste to not use this anymore.
If 'jump-starting' the battery doesn't work, new Chinese batteries are on eBay for <$20

>>2797919
Yep, those are the 18v that they don't make since a few years ago. DeWalt is the 20v slide-in version exclusively now.

>>2797901
I just sold all my dewalts after the 3rd 5AH battery pack died.
stop buying cordless dwalts. their batteries are fucking trash.

>>2797925
Managed to get one battery pack working after persistently puling out and putting ack into the charger. The charge lasted about 1 min if that so I guess there fucked. From 2008 so no surprise.

>>2797927
How do is this something to buy or rewiring etc?

>>2797972
Theres a cheap parkside corded for £20 that would prob be more powerful. I would prob go corded as Im not short of power nearby

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798002
There are ebay knockoff versions of these as well. They make the tools bigger and awkward. I remember they offered those XRP packs with lithium cells for a minute, but that would require a different charger as well.

I definitely wouldn’t spend any more money on NiCd packs tho. Getting a couple of the new dewalt packs and a couple adapters and upgrading the tools as you go isn’t the worst idea.

Anonymous

>>2797990
>How do is this something to buy or rewiring etc?
I just bought an old milwaukee 12v nicd drill at an auction. Then bought a $10 M12 power source. Now I just gotta do some cutting, fitting, gluing, etc and combine the two into one.

Probably above your skill set.

>>2798016
What an absolutely stupid space-wasting cell arrangement. Proof they haven’t a fucking clue.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798445
For the NiCd? What would you rather do? They kept the edges pretty round and smooth and got the cylinder shaped cells in a shape that leaves room for the locking tabs.

I’m curious what Ryobi did with the 21700 cells in their new packs.

Fwiw, Snappy’s 14.4V lithium is one of the coolest setups of 4 cells for those with girl hands that can’t handle the M12 style batteries. Unfortunately there’s no room to upgrade from a 4s1p setup unless you wanted to make the tool super tall.

Anonymous

>>2798456
Wait till the 46800 based packs hit the streets if you want to see something interesting.

First things first: we go back to 12 V.
There will be a resurgence of 3.6 V drivers and other hand-held shit.
The marketing departments will be burning the midnight oil and bursting veins in their foreheads trying to undo the “more voltage is more bedder” bullshit they’ve been promulgating for years.

>>2797901
Try it, you got nothing to lose anon. Nicad is a great battery chemistry from reliability standpoint, you might be able to review them.
If not just open the battery and replace the cells. Cheng still makes them, even if they got banned in the west nobody checks the small packages.
>>2797961
They sell picrel, also the lithium battery is also 18V.

>>2797972
Odd, mine are from 2018 and all batteries work fine. I use them almost daily and have never been kind to them. I store all my batteries on chargers.

>>2798781
I still have one Milwaukee 28V from 2011 that holds most of a charge. (The V28 tools like my portaband are why I still use that style battery as their build quality is pre-buyout good.)

>>2798649
>Wait till the 46800 based packs hit the streets if you want to see something interesting.
>First things first: we go back to 12 V.
>There will be a resurgence of 3.6 V drivers and other hand-held shit.
>The marketing departments will be burning the midnight oil and bursting veins in their foreheads trying to undo the “more voltage is more bedder” bullshit they’ve been promulgating for years.

Why would they reduce the voltage? Higher volts = smaller wires to carry same amperage.

Kevin Van Dam

>>2798649
I doubt they go lower voltage. I’m pretty sure that 200A DC @12V is going to be hell on switches

Anonymous

>>2798805
>Why would they reduce the voltage? Higher volts = smaller wires to carry same amperage.
Probably because 46800 cells are fuckhuge and it only takes 3 to make a "12V" tool compared to 5 for a "20V"
>>>2798808
>switches
SSRs will eat that no problem

THEY AREN'T GOING TO REDUCE THE VOLTAGE.jpg

Had an old blue Bosch 14.4V drill that was working fine, but the batteries it came with all died.

These were Nimh iirc. Opened them up and found the cell size written on each OEM cell. Ordered new cells from ebay and soldered those into the batteries in place of the dead cells.

I still have that drill and although it's definitely no 18V lithium as far as power, it's nice to have around for jobs where two drills = fewer bit changes.

I think I paid around $15 for enough cells to repair 1 battery. Ended up repairing all 3 eventually.

>>2798890
> SSRs will eat that no problem
Exactly. Everything is already electronic drivers.
In fact, they could step it up to any arbitrary voltage in the pack itself if they wanted to with 97% efficiency if the collective idiocracy forgot how to design a 12 V motor. Although, they could disassemble one of the billions of 12 V automotive starter motors for some clues.

>>2798916
Yes, it’s absolutely impossible to redesign plastic moulds for battery packs. Once set, no manufacturer has ever changed them… not in hundreds of years, anyway… and perhaps hundreds of years to come.

OP here again. I could not for the love of me find a battery adapter that would fit this drill model. I did another full charge of the two batteries I had, then I connected them using two pairs of scissors as mentioned before. I left it like that for 5 mins, let them cool off for another 5 then stuck it back on charge. It's probs too early to say but Atleast one of the batteries has been working without issue over a couple of hours drilling in intervals. Shame I can't get the adapter tho, the ones shown don't clip in properly which means my drill must be even older than I though


https://youtu.be/IvJYw7T0de8?si=T5q<wbr>PhV5ZSl0zIH5N&t=2245

fellas so whats the answer?

kek. nothing beats our 4chan virgins for awesome shit posting

>>2797867
They aren't even that big anon...

>>2797867
Those were made of denim and epoxy.
> wood working
It’s not woodworking, it’s just making click baity crap by following whatever fads and copycating others.

>>2797867
Huge tiddies are overrated. Ideal is slightly bigger than a handful

>>2797974
STFU wannabe purist retard, there's a bunch of woodworking in that video and the adhesives and techniques and tools used to laminate epoxy saturated fabric are INDENTICAL to those used to laminate wood, in all kinds of applications that are hardly "fads".

>>2797989
> denim is kind of wood
Post pic of your wooden jeans

>>2798023
Then it scales. The ideal is always slightly bigger than a handful relative to your hand size

>>2797867
She's an obnoxious cunt off camera I can tell.
Probably cucks him with Tyrone.

>>2798026
Cotton is a plant, so technically denim is a wood.

>>2797978
>Huge tiddies are overrated
Kek. No they're not. Huge tiddies are amazing!

>>2797867
>is woodworking the only way to get a wife with big milk trucks???
who cares
what i wanna know is, what skill do i need to learn to get a tranny wife with a big dick

>>2798255
Sounds like a question for Seig.

>>2798066
wood is lignin, cotton is cellulose

>>2797989
I’ve got something u can laminate

>>2797867
I hate them too.
>Blue vs yellow
>Light vs dark
>High contrast vs low contrast
>Grain clusterfuck on the bases
>Wide patterns vs tight patterns

All he had to do to make these 1000% better was just use a dark stain on the bases.

This is DIY anon. Gotta grow em yourself. Marry a nice B cup with potential. Get her pregnant, once she gives birth have her nurse or pump every few hours and feed her a steady diet of protein. She'll have swingin D cups before you know it.

>>2798364
Wood is cellulose + lignin. If he had used a lignin-based binder, would that be legitimate woodworking?

why are they talking like they're in a store <br>wheres the funny husband wife quibbling


I want to build a simple automatic mechanical bbq spit. No electricty. Any ideas?

>>2797910
A flying pendulum my dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqr<wbr>7pR3jQws

Yeah some kind of weight or spring and a clock escapement mechanism to slow it down. Why no electricity? A simple slow gearmotor would make it easy. Could even be solar/battery powered if you are away from electricity.

>>2797923
What kind of humans are these?

>>2797923
what's the name of the mechanism used in a clock to slow a pendulum driven weight, it creeps along a cog

>>2797923
>chicken still not fully cooked.

Stirling engine or pelter plates (like those furnace fans) connected to a worm drive powered by the heat of the grill.

Or manually prime it with a rubber band like those little airplane kits.

>>2798131
An escapement you dull piece of shit! It was already mentioned a couple posts above yours...

>>2797910
Water dropper (like a greek water clock) and a water wheel. Let the drops fill up the paddles until they turn.
Or get a mechanical clock, shorten the pendulum and attach the spit to the minute hand's drive.