>>18109877 (OP)
$12 to about $600
my favorite raws were like $30 its all about the fit and how it works with your body.
the more expensive loomstate stuff is hard to get the sizing right on & you can't really try on the fit before buying because they shrink.

>>18109877
I don't wear jeans. I'm an adult

>>18109878
i buy n&f on Amazon to try on and figure out my size. of course i measure them too make sure and then i bought iron heart 21oz non fade blacks. they really feel good. hoping they do non fade dark indigo too.

>>18109877
gap and banana republic selvedge regularly goes on sale for like $18-40 too.
the fabric's from kaihara mills, i assume their taiwan mill not their japan mill. very deeply dyed and incredibly slow fading but they do fade.
its pretty similar to the old selvedge jeans uniqlo used to sell before they gutted their denim product line.

>>18109920
Yeah his was the only pair I've bought and I tried them on in person. Would not buy without trying size

>>18109877
He looks like a cartoon character

>>18109877
$250 for my capital century denim and $80 for my sugarcane jeans

I paid 300 for a pair of tailored jeans made especially for me.

$190 retail but i can usually find them for like $50 on grailed

>>18109877
i mostly just buy levis on ebay now, so like 15-30. i cashed out on a pair of g-stars last month for 80 and i honestly love them, the cut is perfect. pic rel is a different wash but same cut. only complaint is the denim is thinner than i'd like. i bought 00s helmut lang classic cuts for a similar price a few years ago and while the denim is good quality they taper in a way i don't really like

>>18109877
im an old man and i stopped wearing jeans when i was like 20 (/fa/ was almost pretty good at the time)

Most I've paid is $265 for Grease Point jeans, and around $200 for my Momotaros. I'm toying with the idea of paying $400 for Iron Hearts but not ready just yet.

>>18110136
What do you wear? A suit everyday?

>>18110130
G-Star 3301 are the best jeans you can find in irl malls. Excellent cut. Wore mine to death and they became jorts.

>>18110130
eBay is the way to go. Paying hundreds for jeans is fucked.

i paid $360 for Needles 12oz denim jeans after selling gloves in CSGO

>>18110247
thanks for reminding me i have at least $400 of dota giftables to get rid of

>>18110250
goldmine anon make that bread

>>18109877
Selvedge denim is truly panda dunks for 30y/o software engineers they think you can just put them on and it solves the problem. I bear the selvedge cross for these goobers every day of my life.

>>18110267
raw denim signals how much of a man you are more than any garment. its not for pencil neck office dorks like you. gotta do some real work to get good fades. then you'll understand.

>>18110278
How did you interpret my post that way?

>>18110288
why would i listen to some jeetier dweeb lol

Just spent $315 on some Flat Head straight tapered Levis repros. Been rocking Iron Hearts for the last 3 years and I wanted to try something more classic and light/mid weight

>>18110288
>>18109878
All their stuff seems so similar to me I don't know what to ever get

>>18110853
its all about how it ages. n&f seasonal stuff you just kind of have to guess. the gimmicky side of their product line is very hit or miss i only really buy it if it doesn't sell and goes on sale end of season. some of its very cool some of its duds. the non gimmicky side of their product line and all their non seasonal denims are pmuch guaranteed to be excellent for the price you pay as long as you get the right fit. when in doubt you can't go wrong with the left hand twills they age great and they're not seasonal.

it all looks sameish new but completely different a year in. with exp you can kind of just guess how it'll go. the safer more boring stuff tends to age the best imo. they do a million gimmick jeans but you usually see brandon svarc and whatshisname wearing the basic ass lht's and both say they're their favorite pair they've ever ran. probably my favorite n&f too.

>>18110430
i only wore 21+oz for my first decade or so of raw denim spergery.
now i have a pretty vast collection going all the way down to 6oz 2x1 twill. i like my mid weight ~14-17oz denim the most. you tend to get a best of both worlds type fade with a good balance of low and high contrast out of it. it lasts the longest bc large yarns on heavy weight jeans may resist tears but they are more easily abraded. and its wearable year round from a hot summer day to negative temps if you got a pair of wool long johns to go with.

>>18110864
Nta, I got like three of the DBZ crossover jeans for super cheap. They're all good quality and I like DBZ. A belt covers the leather so nobody sees the weeb shit unless you show them

wranglers are about 25-30 bucks. cowboy cut slim fit is the perfect fit

what's the obsession with fast fades? pay hundreds of dollars and want to quickly fade it when you can buy prewash for like $30. i wouldn't even think of wearing faded jeans if im ever going out with a girl.

>>18110885
I love my 21 oz 888, but I walked into Self Edge the other day in Portland and saw a faded pair of Sugar Canes on their wall and was blown away at how vintage and drapey they looked. I immediately asked them for some nice 14-15 oz repros and they said they just got a stock of the Flat Heads which fit perfectly.

>>18109877
Short guys shouldn't cuff their pants. He looks like he was stubby legs.

High contrast fades look horrible and I find the way richfags use them to fetishize the working class extremely embarrassing. Making a conscious effort to get a high contrast fade defeats the point. Your essentially just cosplaying as a "real man" who does "real work". I put my $250 pairs of jeans in the wash every week or two.

>>18111571
I put my jeans in the wash when they’re dirty or smelly. I would like a pair of jeans that don’t fade. But I also don’t hate Fades. I like it better than the washed out look.

>>18109877
The most I've ever paid is $180 for some Trueys. Black Rickys w/ the white rope stitching. The other pairs are in the $80-$120 range. I can't afford this shit but idc because they're comfy.

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>>18109916
>*scoff* Tchh, I.. I don't wear jeans. I'm-- *snorts back phlegm* an ADULT! *coughs*

>>18112030
You just know bro has no real life friends and can't hold a conversation to save his life LMFAO

>>18109877
Dont wear jeans anymore, stopped wearing them years ago. They look and feel wrong on me, I cant get a good fit.

>>18111601
Wash inside out, no spin, woolite dark colors, 30°C at the most hot. You can roll them before throwing them in the washing machine. Do not let them sit at the washing machine afterwards, take them out and hang them to dry properly strteched. Eventually they will fade, but slower.

>>18109877
>>18109878
Whenever a guy rolls up/cuffs the bottoms of his jeans it makes him look short as fuck. Like he's wearing his dads jeans and they're too long for his legs.

I like both Wrangler's cowboy cut and straight fit jeans, both are under $50

>>18109878
I’ve got a pair of left hand twill sitting on my shelf, too lazy to get them hemmed, and after the soak they’re tight as fuck in the rise. Meanwhile I picked up two pairs of wrangler mwz or whatever for 60 bucks in my exact size and they’re fucking amazing, other than one of the rivets falling off in the first wash lmao

>>18113427
Cuffing is a classic look, if you’re short you’re short, nobody’s getting fooled.
t. short guy

>>18113427
why do people on here sperg about model/product photos showing cuffs? you really expect them to hem and throw away all those jeans just to take product photos?

>>18111571
literally whats the point of washing jeans constantly like that? i guess if i lived near the equator or in a jungle or somewhere so humid my jeans never dried out. when i was doing home remodels i maybe washed my jeans once a year. basically just only if i spilled shit or chemicals on them. indigo dye is extremely antimicrobial its pretty hard to get it to smell as long as you don't live somewhere with the kind of humidity that makes them never truly dry out like southeast asia or something.
low contrast fades do look better tho.
the worst fades is when people buy pre faded jeans and the fades aren't the same size as their thigh (almost every time)
true "office dork/suburbanite fetishizing working class" is those pre-faded jeans normies all wear. its like bro your jeans are quite literally faded out by a mexican dude with a sandblaster to try to cheaply imitate the fades i get at work. sad!

>>18111227
noobs want fast results on their first pair. understandable.

>>18111443
TFH is one of those brands i've never bought but i keep getting a boner from. Probably because none of the stores I go to have it and I like to try stuff on. I'm close to Portland might have to try some on next time I'm down there.

>>18113427
you got it backwards. the popularity of hemming jeans started with the more feminine "fashion" post war era of jeans along with stuff like skinny jeans. before ww2 and before jeans were a fashion item you just bought jeans that came in 1 size and if you were a short guy you had big cuffs. cuffing straight and traditional cut jeans is a nod to that.
i cuff my work jeans for a very simple functional reason: they last much longer cuffed. once the fabric where i have it cuffed begins to crack and tear all i have to do is change where i have the jeans cuffed by a few mm and voila! i have brand new unfucked material at the hem.
tapered jeans can look weird cuffed when not worn with boots though. for sure.

>>18109877
serious question, why are some jean brands so expensive? is it just because they dont want to be seen as a cheap brand, or is the denim actually worth that much (somehow)?

personally, i noticed jeans get expensive in the 2000s. before that they were appropriately priced. never saw a pair from a well known brand that cost more than $60. then levi and wrangler jacked up their prices all of a sudden.

>>18113911
cheap jeans are made on projectile looms
expensive jeans are made on shuttle looms
https://www.heddels.com/2014/10/shu<wbr>ttle-vs-projectile-looms-whats-the-<wbr>difference/
then beyond that the price difference is largely the difference between jeans made by people fairly compensated in a first world country like japan/america/canada/etc vs jeans made with quite literal child slave labor.

>>18113911
https://www.heddels.com/2014/03/his<wbr>tory-osaka-5/
>in the 2000s. before that they were
you noticed correctly
this should explain that
>then levi and wrangler jacked up their prices all of a sudden.
wrangler's prices have been the same this whole time in america. i paid the same for my wranglers from 2004 as i did for my pair i bought last year. the leather patch being nerfed to plastic is the only real difference.
levi's jacked their prices up because they're skirting on brand recognition and good will from their past making good jeans at a fair price. its like how honda and toyota still command a bit of a premium due to their reputation from making good cars even though their golden era was 25 years ago. people still associate levi's with "good jeans" and "cheap jeans" even though neither one has been true for a very long time. for zoomers their entire lifetime.
its incredibly lol tier to me that a pair of basic made in bangladesh levi's can retail for 90 dollars and anons think that's "cheap" when you can get a pair of rustlers for 12 dollars, a pair of wranglers for 30 dollars, or step up to something that isn't third world poojeet tier like tcb or japan blue for 150. its mind blowing people think levi's is a decent value proposition when 2 pairs of the lowest grade levi's jeans costs more than a pair of sugar cane repro jeans.

>>18113916
>>18113921
interesting, thanks
btw im from australia, wrangler is as expensive if not more expensive than levi here (~$100 aud for a basic pair)

>>18113923
these videos should make it pretty clear what you're paying for.
low end mass produced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQM<wbr>hv5XAdOc
handmade/high end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5<wbr>520fSymY
the start of the first video reveals why cheap jeans never fit right: they're laser cut in stacks of hundreds of pairs, with huge tolerances. thats why you can pick up 2 pairs of levis off the rack at the same store and they fit completely different.

aussie and euro prices are strictly based on how much you get raped by fees/tariffs and such they have little bearing on the actual cost/value of the product. i've heard southeast asian brands like the indonesian brands are cheap to import in aus. you can probably get much higher quality stuff from there for less than 100aud if you're willing to tredge through asia social media/whatsapp.

>>18109878
>>18109879
Pretty much this, I have 4 pairs of N&F
Indigo
Light Indigo
Black
A second light indigo; I got the Jolyne x N&F collab because the back patch looked cool, never even watched JoJo
Prices were from like $160 to $230 depending on weight

Just bought amami mud died sashiko jeans. What can I expect?

>>18114411
not a single person in the world to notice, and to one day come to the realisation that you wasted money.

>>18114416
Boo Hoo $200 on jeans I’ll wear for years. I’m not poor so I won’t miss it.

>>18114416
>>18114419
But I agree. Nobody cares what you wear. Some people notice, for example my wife will and some fashion people might too.

I couldn't fathom paying more than $60 in the most extreme case.

>>18114428
I make over $300,000 a year. I’m not worried about spending $200 on jeans once every few years. I spend that on groceries every week now. Maybe you’re struggling to survive with this shitty Biden economy. I don’t know.

You can buy any cut of jeans from pull and bear for practically nothing and it's honestly the highest quality jeans I have ever owned. I don't know whose slave labor produced this but thank you little guy.

>>18114411
D1867 AMAMI MUD DYEING SASHIKO DENIM JEANS These are the ones I bought in case anyone knows how they fade.

>>18114428
>$200 for pants is a lot
are you a teenager or something?

>$60
he's talking about levi's thats their retail price
nothing funnier than poorfags thinking they're "savvy shoppers" and "frugal" they're "getting a good deal" for paying 600% markup for the brand name on a pair of $10 jeans. theres no discernible quality difference between walmart george jeans ($8) costco jeans ($10) rustlers ($12) and levi's ($60-90) of these levi's are probably the lowest quality jeans.
then scoffing at people paying slightly more than the cost of their overpriced jew jeans for an actual handmade product made on shuttle looms by skilled japanese/american craftsmen. the retail markup on jap jeans is like 20-50% tops if you're buying it from an american importer company and even less if directly buying from japan. the main reason japanese jeans are expensive is because your government has extremely anti competitive trade agreements with japan.

>>18114603
just saying having designed and made stuff like this before those jeans cost like $3-5 to make and they're charging you $50 a pair thats insanely high markup.
they do have a rather wide range of cuts and styles tho.

has anyone heard of the brands won hundred ? i think their jeans are manufactured at the same place acne gets their jeans .

Of all the jeans I've had, from samurai, momotaro, iron heart, naked and famous, railcar, and wranglers, the best by far are my OD Bleus from the Observer Collection.

i wait for zara's sale in June and January and buy whatever goes under 19$

$332 on Husbands jeans on sale at SSENSE.

>>18109877
I have two pairs of vintage Levi's. One I paid $40 for and the other I paid $20

i always have a hard time finding jeans that fit so i settle for anything that doesn't make me look retarded. i find most jeans are way too tight in the seat or thigh but don't like relaxed fits. jack and jones tims fit me decently well. there aren't any mid++/premium denim brick and mortar places near me and i don't want to order 1k worth of stuff and return all of it, but if i knew if something would fit perfectly i'd pay up to $200 I think

>>18116065
my mom bought me something like that for 5$ max from local vietnamese shop

>>18115947
just get wranglers or rustlers and bleach them yourself
same price

>>18109916
I wore jeans once in 1st grade and they felt like the stiffest, worse shit I ever felt and while I cant remember most things from 30+ years ago, they made enough of an impact that I never wore another pair again.

>>18109877
100-150 euros. I’m an APC/ N&F kinda guy

>>18111571
Dawg that just happens when you own them for a long time

>>18111571
>Your essentially just cosplaying as a "real man" who does "real work".
maybe you're not a real man and have never done a hard day of work in your life and are projecting this onto the rest of humanity...?

>>18109916
>I'm an adult
you said this to be smug but what else do you fucking wear

>>18109877
150 - 300 USD depending on sales etc

>>18109877
$0

Because I'm an adult. I either buy track pants or dress pants.

>>18117204
>Because I'm an adult.
why do insecure manchildren love this phrase?

>>18109877
I used to stay under $100 until my late 20s and then $200-300

>>18111571
>Your essentially just cosplaying as a "real man" who does "real work".
Just FYI, this is you projecting yours insecurities about authenticity onto clothes. Plenty of the rest of us have no psychological hangups about fashion being a performance. It literally doesn't go beyond skin deep, it's clothes. You don't need to be "from the culture" to wear it. Grow up.

>>18114791
Poors will through 3 pairs of $60 jeans a year that blow out, 2 pairs of $60 sneakers a year where the sole gets destroyed, and they never think about it. "I'm frugal," they tell themselves

>>18111571
I'm european, american "workwear" or heritage is not considered workwear here because nobody who does manual labor wears that stuff to work. It's considered part of americana, but less larpy because jeans and flannels have been part of casual or youth culture -on and off- sunce WWII.

As >>18117250 said I think you're projecting too many concepts into clothing. It's just jeans, they don't mean a thing. Even the 500$ stuff are just jeans at the end of the day.

I buy Levi's when I can get them cheap. Too scared to buy anything expensive. I don't know what fit looks best on me. I'm skinny fat, working on it, but it's gonna take time. I'm wearing 501s in this photo. If I wear 501s with any other shoe it makes my hips look wide. I hate how cuffed jeans look, but I don't think what I am doing with this is much better. Have no idea what I should do with length. Longer? Shorter? 511s don't seem to work well on me either. No photos right now, but 513s look alright on me when I wear heritage style boots.

>>18109877
I can never find jeans that fit my arse well. It always looks like my anus is eating the material.

>>18117471
thanks i was in incredible shape back then when i was fading those
>>18117485
try wrangler cowboy cuts

>Nooo you dont get it it's japanese cotton folded six gorillion times!!!

Going to Japan next week, planning to go full retard on expensive denim and boots. I live on a backwater island where hardly anywhere stocks expensive 'niche' clothing.

Any protips on what to look for?

>>18119187
>I live on a backwater island where hardly anywhere stocks expensive 'niche' clothing.

Damn if only online stores did international shipping

>>18119206
NTA, but shipping plus custom fees can double the price in some cases.

>>18119184
To be honest, most people who wear japanese denim do that for themselves. Nobody cares about what you're wearing beyond if it looks good on you or not, and that is hardly an afterthought.

>>18109877
how do you guys even know the difference of quality between jeans. Past 50$ it's all the same to me. I don't even wear jeans anymore I'm wearing some stretchable denim slim fit jeans

I used to go to this budget chain "postie plus" in NZ because Jeans are about $50 and Tee-shirts about $20 quality's Ok. In the last year or so the quality has gotten worse and I've experienced rude service their twice so being a small country I'll have to resort to Amazon unless I want to go upmarket. So back to $200 USD a pair basically ffs...sighs.

>>18119233
That's how people justify paying an arm and leg for Kapital, when there is little difference between it and Chrome Hearts

>>18119250
Well, it's their money and no skin of my nose, so I couldn't care less. My main point is that most people you're gonna encounter irl won't give two shits about your raw denim, won't even be able to tell apart japanese denim from mall jeans. So wearing that stuff for others' validation is an exercise in futility.

>>18119303
>So wearing that stuff for others' validation is an exercise in futility.
That's a pretty big cope. Why else would you spend tons of money on clothes if not to look good in the eyes of others?

>My main point is that most people you're gonna encounter irl won't give two shits about your raw denim,
Maybe it's just me but every single time my friend or a relative asks me about a new piece of clothing they immediately google the brandname then tell me "what the fuck anon, why would you spend X dollars on clothes, what the fuck is wrong with you??!"

>>18109877
The pair I've been wearing lately were about $400. I'm an electrician and I wear them at work. They're a samurai x old blue collab in 22oz denim. They're pretty comfy. My old pairs have been a ton of MIUSA Levi's 501s, 3sixteen shadow selvedge, n&f elephant 6s, n&f okayama spirit 2s, etc. I like to buy a nice pair of jeans and wear them for 3-4 years before retiring them.

>>18119309
>Why else would you spend tons of money on clothes if not to look good in the eyes of others?
Looking good has nothing to do with the ability, or more realistically the lack thereof, of the average person to identify raw denim at a glance.

>>18119309
>Maybe it's just me but every single time my friend or a relative asks me about a new piece of clothing they immediately google the brandname then tell me "what the fuck anon, why would you spend X dollars on clothes, what the fuck is wrong with you??!"
Guess this is a ymmv kinda thing. Even the people that commented positively on my looks didn't care about the brands, fabrics, manufacturing, etc. Some might be interested in the price tag because normies' only way of assesing things is money.

>>18119303
>>18119309
Sup you arguing losers. Just wanted to share my own pov.
I strictly buy jap jeans from the same brand. I wear three different models for different occasions with a slight variation in waist size depending on how casual the event is. Nobody has ever given me positive feedback on my jeans and i dont care. For me its all about the fit. My jeans fit right. I know how to wash them to make them last long. I know where to buy a new pair if i need to. Its convenient. Theyre expensive but at the same time, i have never worn jeans that fit this good and frankly everybody around me look like shit in their ill fitting, american brand cheap jeans.

>>18119523
>Nobody has ever given me positive feedback on my jeans and i dont care.
Which furthers my point that normies don't know and don't care about raw, selvedge, jap cotton, etc. Which makes wearing this stuff for them pointless.

>For me its all about the fit.
You are absolutely correct. And while you're more likely to get a good fit from a proper brand than a mass production one, it's not guaranteed.

>>18119523
This is basically raw denim in a nutshell. The anti selvedge crowd on this board are some of the most insufferable faggots imaginable.
>”lmao nobody cares that you wear selvedge denim”
Yeah, I know. I wear it because I like it and the 501 cut repros have an unmatched fit with whatever jap brand you choose. Don’t want to spend $200-350 for jeans? Yeah, that’s fine, but the same people dogging you for wearing nice jeans are the same retards who will immediately afterwards buy some other stupid luxury they don’t need whether that be an entire month of eating out, videogames, etc

>>18119187
Not really any pro tips, but all denim in Japan will be significantly less expensive compared to western countries. Just find your favorite brands and buy a pair from each. For Levi’s repro stuff, I fucking love Sugar Cane and The Flat Head. Also cannot go wrong with Iron Heart. You will probably be able to buy a pair of IH for like $150 -190 max

>>18116065
how do they fit in comparison to other bootcut jeans? i would love a pair but i have no justification to buy them other than (from pictures) they have the perfect cut. Are they particularly flared or only mildly?(like wrangler wranchers).

>>18119309
>That's a pretty big cope. Why else would you spend tons of money on clothes if not to look good in the eyes of others?
good question why do i drive a 40 year old sports car instead of a honda corolla when only other autistic car nerds can even tell its anything more than "some cheap old car"

>>18119523
idk i always get normies asking about my jeans. i used to send blue owl and self edge so many customers they'd give me christmas gifts haha.

>>18119554
all mass produced jeans fit bad. if they don't its a fluke and you should buy a powerball ticket too. they're laser cut in stacks of hundreds of pairs with massive tolerances.

>>18119637
most of the anti selvedge posting is all the same guy samefagging. he grew up in india and doesn't understand jeans to begin with and his brain is scrambled by caste system nonsense and he doesn't understand why we don't all try to dress like nobility. he's un ironically that dude who bought $16 linen pants in the wrong size off amazon prime then made over 100 threads asking how they fit a month or two ago.

>>18119641
they try to frame it like $350 is a lot for pants but denim is probably the cheapest thing in my closet...?
& they try to frame it like we're all elitist snobs when the most recommended pair of jeans by /fa/'s denim spergs is $30 wranglers.
most of the posts are a literal poverty stricken dude from a literal third world country coping. 300 dollars could change his life saars!

anti denim crowd be like<br>SAAR NO PLEASE DO NOT REDEEM 30,000 RUPEE JEANS!!!!!

what jackets and tops do i wear with these boxier jeans?

>>18119248

>Roastie Plus
Cursed shop, always full of old people and poor single mothers. Their wool sweaters seems alright though.

AS Colour does alright jeans for $70 and their tee's are really good imo.

>>18119766
What do you mean by boxier? Like a wide/straight fit? If I’m wearing a wider or classic straight fit pair of jeans, I usually like to offset it with a true fitting top such as a classic type III jacket. You can definitely get away with wearing your straight fit jeans with a Detroit jacket or other bulky military repro jackets such as a bomber or A1 jacket

I just got the new Oni 15oz crushed concretes in the relaxed straight cut, fits perfect and the fabric has a ton of texture for a midweight denim. Oni is top notch.

What are some good brands of raws/selvedge besides N&F? I have three pairs and like them a lot. How are Nudies or Momotaro?

>>18119905
my first raws were unbranded and that was like 10 years ago and they're still fuckin excellent.

>>18119905
N&F and Momotaro are more modern cuts and denim fabrics. You should balance your denim collection with some classic Levi’s 501 repro style jeans. Sugar Cane and Flat Head make the best repros imo. The absolute most beautiful pair of repros I’ve seen were some Boncouras, but as far as I know their inseams are only like 30.5”, so if you’re at least 6’ tall they might not be the best for you

>>18119925
>>18119905
Thanks guys. The Boncoura 66’s look dope I’ll have to grab a pair of those
>at least 6’ tall
Oh ho ho ho ho ho : ^ )

>>18119766
>with these boxier jeans?
i'm assuming you mean relaxed fit or zoomer fit or somewhere in there?
tops and jackets should both be cropped and boxy with that fit. same answer if you are going for the zoomer look or a traditional look. shirts should end around your belt, mid fly at the lowest. tucked if they are any longer. do NOT wear modern fit/slim fit or long line shirts with loose jeans.
jackets should be loose fitting and boxy. jackets that fit like a non modified type 1/2 where it ends short in the torso and fits boxy look the best with these pants. there's non double denim options too i'm speaking more about the silhouettes.

>>18119964
Give Self Edge a call and ask for some sizing advice and check sizing charts. A lot of Levi’s repro jeans will experience some shrinkage

>>18119925
>>18119964
agree & warehouse / tcb are my personal favorite repro recs
>modern cut pair
>repro cut pair
>black pair
>one of the indigo pairs in redcast/standard dye, the other in a natural indigo or greencast type fabric
is a good basis for a rotation. any more than 3-4 pairs of jeans and you don't get fades at any appreciable rate unless you spend your entire life rubbing your legs on osb

>>18119973
more repro brands are starting to offer 1 wash to avoid all the fuss of shrinkage these days. i recommend it over raw whenever a brand offers both. first thing you do with new unsanforized jeans is shrink them anyways.

>>18119977
Yeah I have
13oz Black
13oz Dark Indigo
15oz Matcha N&F (got a green tinge)
So the Boncoura’s seem like a good way to round it out. Also have 12.5 in light indigo but they’re 98% cotton with a 2% synthetic blend so I’m not too concerned about getting fades from that, its more of a casual pair

>>18119840
Same here. I’m just waiting to have the hemming finished then I can start wearing them. They feel great and still pretty stiff. I have normal secret denim in the 902 cut and love the blue-green look Onis get but am tired of their extreme taper. Straight should be more comfortable in the summer.

Is there any difference between the Japanese brands like Oni, Samurai and PBJ?

>>18120002
Yeah totally. Tell us what you like and we can give recommendations.

>>18120005
>Tell us what you like
That's difficult to say desu. I'm looking for durable jeans, not too heavy so about 15 oz. I don't mind spending a little more (300+). From what I've seen Samurai tends to be very intricate with small details which I also enjoy. I've seen some Oni pants that were worn for a while and I've seen a few holes so I wonder if they tend to get holes faster.
I also like the green dye of the N&F matcha jeans. At least it sounds cool, haven't seen actual pictures, but I don't think these purely Japanese brands offer anything like that. I'd also prefer some tapering but I have very muscular calves so I guess I'll go with straight Jeans.
I don't really care about accurate reproductions or anything like that

>>18120021
Most Oni jeans are very slubby, sometimes extremely slubby and hairy, and it makes them soft and comfortable but could make them wear faster. They’re not fragile of anything though.

PBJ also has some wild fabrics but not as wild as Oni in my opinion. I think PBJs run slim though so fewer of theirs might fit you but you always have to check measurements anyway.

Hey anyone know a good pair of raws which fade to a red color? N&F had one but its discontinued.

>>18120021
Honestly, I’d get a pair of Iron Heart 888. They make them in 14 oz and 21 oz, but I remember them recently making some in 17oz natural indigo. Iron heart has that classic Levi’s aesthetic but with a shit ton of structural features such as poly/cotton threads, lined back pockets, belt loops sewn under waistband. If it isn’t the look you’re into and you want something more Japanese or something with more texture and experimentation, go with some samurai S510 in either 15 oz or 21 oz. Their 21 oz is loosely woven, so it does actually get a good amount of drape and softness

>>18119992
>Boncoura 66's
they look great to me. OPINIONATED -> mid weight denim's the best so you're not missing out by sticking to it.

>Also have 12.5 in light indigo but they’re 98% cotton with a 2% synthetic blend so I’m not too concerned about getting fades from that
spandex jeans still fade pretty good

>>18120021
>durable
the brands you listed off specialize in slubby loosely woven denims. slubby denim's comfier but gets blowouts a bit easier. the difference isn't huge so don't let that stop you. for durabilitymaxxxing you want at least 2 of these three things: mid weight around 12-17oz (lower tears more easily, higher more abrades more easily) long staple cotton, non-slubby tight weave.
iron heart specializes in that kind of jean if money's no object. meme option despite being cheap as shit the mt vernon mills broken twill wranglers are made of is one of the best mid weight denims i think it has an insanely good balance of durability and comfort. virtually unchanged since the vintage pairs since whatever year they stopped using cone mills.

>>18120021
>I also like the green dye of the N&F matcha jeans
natural indigo jeans have that green-yellow hue to them too btw. something you may wish to look for in your next pair. there's a few different ways to accomplish it, they all fade a little different. greencasting is the most common but there's multiple ways to do it. n&f talks about it in this recent video actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4i<wbr>U5Cu1ZUg

>>18117136
Probably chinos, trousers, slacks

>>18109877
Just got another pair of athletic fit wranglers at Walmart for $22 today
I used to care about Levis and shit but eventually realized there’s no difference

>>18120105
>>18120095
>>18120058
>>18120027
Thanks for the advice everyone. I just ordered some 17oz special edition samurai jeans. Fingers crossed I got the sizing right.

>>18120123
get some of these next time you're at wal mart they are unreasonably good for the price

>>18109877
>How much do you pay for jeans?
Whatever Rag & Bone are charging these days

$40 or less.

Wrangler slim-fit cowboy cut are essentially the best jeans you can get for the price, if you get them on sale.

>>18120640
Bro I just picked up a pair of these for 9 bucks for the hell of it and was surprised by how not terrible they are. 100% cotton, decently thick/heavy, and a ykk zipper to top it off. For 10 bucks, I’m shocked by how solid they are and I’m surprised they don’t get mentioned more often. They’re definitely better than Walmart’s George jeans.

>>18121195
btw you can get raw ones in indigo but you have to go on walmarts website or amazon. the dark wash ones are really close to raw though. i prefer them desu.
the black only comes in washed but its barely washed, they fade great.
also dead stock pairs of the vintage 70s and 80s pairs pop up a lot on ebay for like 20-40bux. i've seen black warp x undyed weft ones, selvedge ones, and corduroy in a ton of colors.
v underrated for sure. the rustler cuts are all slightly modified version of the cowboy cut patterns, just with a slightly slimmed down upper block (but still featuring the high rise)

the vintage ones past a certain year are made in usa, usa grown and milled cotton too btw. super nice for the low price.<br>and all the vintage ones will have 7 belt loops and a coin pocket. i think they dropped those a few years ago to cost cut inflation (they've been the same price since the 90s) which is kind of based doing that instead of dropping the quality.

So once you got your jeans to fade how exactly you like them, how do you prevent them from fading further?

>>18121314
Rotating how often you wear them and regular dry cleaning. Stuff like dirt and sand and other abrasive daily objects contribute to wear and tear. But you can only control it so much. That said I have a 10+ year old pair of N&F that still look fine, and thats only 13oz. So you can preempt this by buying a heavier fabric I guess, but even if I only got 10 years of wear that's still really good. But having a larger rotation (3-5 pairs) stretches the wear over time. Also if you notice hot spots, take them to the tailors ASAP (or DIY) to have that area fixed and the fabric replenished.

>>18121333
>that jawline
Is this the chick from Stranger Things?

>>18121224
selvedge rustlers or selvedge wranglers?

>>18121492
rustlers
there are wranglers in cone mills selvedge but they're harder to track down


Anonymous

If you ain't shaved with a Feather, you ain't shaved.

>based japs even included a blade disposal slot in each individual case

>>18111889
The blades are easily 4x more expensive than every other eastern europenan brand, you're paying for it.

>>18111890
yeah even the wax they used to seal each blade is superior, it comes off clean and doesn't tear the paper unlike the astra trash

they don't work for all razors unforunately
worked nicely with my old but not with my new
using gilette 7 o clock now

Based razor, if you like Feather also try Kai.

My daily blades are Gillette Silver Blues since I have a couple hundred of them. No, they aren't as sharp as Feather but I never,ever cut myself even when I'm hauling ass. The soap I use doesn't matter, the lather quality doesn't matter, no cuts and no irritation.

With Feathers, they cut better no doubt, but everything else has to be dialed in perfectly. They're my going out razor blade basically.

>>18112232
That's kind of what I found too. Kind of prefer the silver blues a bit but I have a feathers that I split with my bro since bulk they were cheaper than the silver blues

>>18112232
SB and gillete is the most dogshit razor there si

>>18112295
>razor there si

I swear this board is full of the most retarded, contrarian faggots in existence. If someone said air is vital to breath, you'd be caterwauling the exact opposite just to hear yourself talk.

Go on then, please share and enlighten the rest of us why Silver Blues are so bad and what your objectively superior blade of choice is.

>>18112322
because they shave like ass and cut you like a jewish barmitzva

>>18112366
>jewish barmitzva
as opposed to the muslim barmitzvas?

>>18112366
Fucking how? I've literally never even nicked myself with a Silver Blue, and I've used them in multiple razors including slants.

I know blades are a personal choice but I wonder what your setup is if a SB is slicing you up. My bear is very dense and my hairs are coarse, maybe it just works better with my hair type?

>>18112020
I use a coors can
>>18111889
derby blades also have them I think

>>18113698
The first shave before the coating wears off is like shaving with a bowling pin. They get better after that, but are still not sharp enough for me. I blind bought a 100 pack and am hoping they'll go up in value so I can pawn them off.

where can I get SI in europe? not from maroco or import

>>18113698
I tried Vokshod years ago when I bought blade sample packs. For me it's the Astra Superior Platinum. It's the sharpest blade that still retains the smoothness of less aggressive blades. Feather isn't smooth at all and dulls extremely fast. A blade that expensive should last a little longer.

>>18113712
I never use a blade more than once. I have the worst skin for shaving, sensitive combined with coarse hair that grows in random directions.

>>18113800
>I never use a blade more than once.
Then why do you care about how long it lasts? I can't imagine throwing Voskhod after the first go, for me that's exactly the point where it becomes usable.

I'll stick to green Astras Superior Platinum paired with Mühle R41.
More than close enough shave with one of the best shaves/dollar ratio.
My head, face and balls don't complain

You guys try Bic? Love that shit. Two blade disposable is the shit.

I'm convinced feathers are too sharp and are designed for use with feather popular and the $200 stainless steel 3-piece razor they make, both are mild enough to cover up just how sharp feathers really are, I still nick myself with the first use on a fresh blade and then uses 2-6 are like butter.

I still haven't found a better twist to open alternative, this thing is indestructible and lightweight and I drop my razor in the shower a lot, i'm sure the solid chinesium ones would have shattered or bent the shaving head by now.

>>18112490
i'm referring to the each individual hard plastic case having its own blade disposal slot

>>18111655
Yeah I used to have reddit taste too, then I tried Personna

guys, im trying to shave everyday after years of doing fuck all and shaving once a week but for some reason even though I get a smooth shave after a week of not shaving, if I shave daily i never get that smooth and also get a shitload of nicks for some reason.
what gives?
using merkur 34c and picrel

>>18114030
>using a R41 on your balls
I'm having an anxiety attack just thinking about that.

>>18111889
>>18114109
>i'm referring to the each individual hard plastic case having its own blade disposal slot
That's exactly what they have.

>>18114149
NTA but i have this issue too. Bumping this Q

>>18111655
i fell for the double edge razor meme for a while, spent so much money on it, then went back to gillette blue II because they give me a smooth shave much easier and i never cut myself.

>>18114825
this is what i use, gillette form and gillette blue II disposable razors

if you want to LARP as your great grandfather thats fine, but if you want a quick, perfectly smooth shave (in only one or two passes), without getting any cuts, this is perfect

>>18114149
>>18114822
work on your technique. youre nicking yourself because youre not guiding the razor straight down. if your hand moves to the side while youre pulling the razor down, youll get cut

>>18114148
Yeah I used to be a contrarian too, then I realised that there are *some* things out there that fulfil my needs perfectly AND happen to be popular.

>>18114149
You are probably going to aggressively about it, which your skin holds up to the first but not the second day following.

>using a safety razor because it's somehow "better"
retarded
>using a safety razor to save money and never have to look for specific cartridges
big brain

>>18114879
do you really have a big brain if you have to try and save money? even section 8 niggers dont have to budget

>>18114830
but why am i not nicking myself when i shave a week worth of facial hair, only if i shave daily? i'm unironically so blackpilled about this i'm considering just using a mach3 for my daily shaves and a safety razor only for shaves after a long time

>>18114829
I didn't go back (mostly cause I have so many blades and that'd be a waste of money).
But i agree I prefer using the easy Gillette. Does a good job, takes less time and doesn't nick me as often.

>>18115034
i still have a shitload of blades, and i bought like 4 or 5 DE razors during that phase, but i just gave it up because although i liked the idea of shaving old school style, i just wasnt getting good shaves. its much easier and much more comfortable for me to shave in the shower with foam and a disposable razor.

>>18115039
Thankfully I only have one DE razor and like hundreds of blades.
But still seems like a waste of money for me not to finish them (if I ever can before I die).
This shit is a scam lol. I miss being able to do my shave in 1 minute with my 5 blade Gillette with no cuts.

>>18114829
this was my exact setup before i switched to DE. as far as the end result goes, i can't say one is significantly better than the other, both get the job done. DE is just more satisfying. the most time consuming part is the lathering of the soap, but canned foam is always an option if i'm ever in that much of a hurry. i don't see myself going back to carts/disposables, althoughevermaybeit.

>>18111889
Even my cheap storebrand razor set has that. dont think its a jap specific thing.

Shaving soap is a meme, if you can't shave without it, you can't shave and your technique is utter shit, period.

It also gets clogged up in your razor and builds up as gross residue.

>>18115072
>It also gets clogged up in your razor and builds up as gross residue.
how is that an issue with a Double-edge safety razor?

>>18115072
heres your (You), but i will say that my dad has shaved without soap all his life. doesnt use foam, doesnt use bar soap, doesnt use anything, just shaves with the same gillette blue II razors i use. crazy. i think i did that when i first started shaving too, tbqh

>>18115064
the astra is the other brand i use and they come in the flimsy cardboard with shoddy wax

also shaving my sideburns level with each other is really hard and i either
>manage to shave them at the same height, but theyre longer than id like them to me
>manage to shave them at same height, but theyre too short
>get the height i want, but they look uneven and at too much of an angle

>>18111655
i cycle between these, parkers, and muhle
with picrel agro, they last some time

ill post my razor collection soon if anyones interested

I'm 29 and never used a razor
Trim to 2 mm every week or two
Would like a clean shave maybe but every poster iit sounds gay...

>>18115264
why did you buy so many, one is enough

>>18115278
it was a phase i was heavily into and i wanted to try different razors, as i said in a post above, i was trying new razors/blades/soaps/creams to try and find a good combo that would give me a good comfortable shave with no irritation afterward.

>>18111655

Brand new to safety razors, just bought this kit a week ago for almost a hundred dollars, how badly did i fuck up? and what should i get instead/ do better? So far ive nicked myself 20 time, still have a rash on my neck, and my shave is barely closer than a disposable razor. Im feeling very stupid right now.

>>18115369
>for almost a hundred dollars
sounds like there's room for improvement, don't give up. that said, you got scammed.

>>18115373
but what should i have gotten instead, or what should i do at this point? will getting different blades help?

>>18115384
my point is this gear should be good enough to practice on, you just overpaid massively. look up videos on proper technique or something. also make sure you're getting proper blade alignment in the razor.

>>18115369
>>18115384
hey man, dont go buying new shit just yet. thats the mistake i made which i posted about above. just keep using that same stuff. i nicked myself a lot and had a rash/irritation at first, but got used to it after a while. i know it doesnt make much sense, but your skin will become accustomed to it. it also helps to shave slower than what you do now, make sure youre prepping right (soak brush in hot water, splash face with hot water, lathering soap correctly), and apply less pressure with the razor. keep at it, the human body is built to adapt.

Kek the plastic razor guys literally cant help themselves when they see safety razors. Reminds me of the guy who starts whining about people wearing jeans in the threads about denim.

>>18115369
I get a fine shave out of my Wilkinson blades - different handle, but the Wilkinson itself does atleast the same job, if not better. Keep at it, no pressure, the magic is in the lather. With the right lather, the handle and the blade just glide smoothly right over the skin, cutting just and only the hair. Shave with the grain, take a close look at your neck, where the direction of the hair growth changes, and adjust your handle movements accordingly. The brush needs to be soaking wet, and the lathering takes some patience and a firm hand.

>>18115486
we don't have to fight but we choose to

>safety razor
>safety
compared to what? a sickle?

>>18111655
i shaved a week ago for the first time in five years and already have a beard again wtf

>>18115766
>shave every 2 days
>each blade lasts like 6-7 good shaves
>each blade lasts like 2 weeks
A 100 pack is gonna last me close to 4 years and I have several of them.
How do DE blade companies make money?

>>18115836
most people shave every day and their soft skin can only handle 4 shaves on one blade.

>>18115836
I shave everyday.
Switch blades every week.

>worst acne breakout in at least 10 years
>haven't been able to shave for over a week
How do I even get acne in my 30s? I think alcoholism is finally collecting my organs.

>>18115502
how am i supposed to get a close shave going witht the grain?

>>18115896
the traditional three passes: once with the grain, once diagonally across the grain, and finally the opposite diagonal across the grain.

>>18115901
with a gillette blue II disposable razor you can get a smooth shave with only one pass against the graain

>>18115928
and ingrown hairs because the multi blade design tugs the root out before cutting.

there are like 30 cents a piece, why bother. who the hell still shaves anyway.

>>18115369
these all in one packs are usually scams

is the brush horsehair?

>>18115939
those ones hurt me so much, can only use gillette blue II

>>18115992
why do i need that when i have a gillette blue ii
also electric razors dont give you a close shave
we will not discuss this further

>>18114829
i agree. i used Bics and bunch of nameless indian disposables, and they were all nicking me. Gillettes is still the best even if their woke ads are trash.

>>18115996
electrics are fast but no close shave. and the cheapest ones have a shit motor so they get stuck if i tried to shave weekly. my hairs get too thick and long for electricals after 1 week.

>>18115757
my barber shops used this shit.

>>18113807
Im sure he means over the course of a single shave

i get rediculously good baby's asshole shaves with the basic bitch poorfag setup of: astra superior platinum blades + proraso white soap + merkur futur. one pass with the grain one pass xtg then moisturize and done. <br>the only gripe i have is that maybe 1 in 20 to 50 blades is a dud, feels like there's a burr or it snags or something. but i always notice it before it nicks me and they're cheap so its nbd.

>>18115939
i still get a laff out of watching the cholos shave their heads with these things (except orange) in jail

>>18115393
seconding this.
CONSOOMING different soaps until you find one that agrees with your skin is crucial. sometimes thats the first soap you try sometimes its not.
and a good brush right away is worth the money. not a huge cost of entry.
but theres no point to over-thinking your razors or handle until you get really good at shaving. its all in the technique, developing the feel for it, and knowing the pattern your hair grows.
once you get the technique down THEN it MIGHT be worth it to sperg out and min/max what blades and handle works the best for how you like to shave and your skin etc.

I use a slant bar now and I prefer Astra. I butcher myself if I use a feather. Fine on my 34c though.

>>18111655
I thought you redditors had moved on from safety razors already
>dude I save $0.12 per shave and $22.43 per year because the blades are so cheap! I'm gonna be a millionaire!!
dumbasses.

reminder to fix your technique anons<br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-S<wbr>HO4Yqw3c

>>18116159
my dad taught me how to shave with a straight razor when i was 12 reddit didn't exist when i was 12.

>>18116159
i am >>18116031 . i was only required to shave when i enlisted in 2002. you dear rentfree readdit didn't exist. hit me up on a PHP Nuke board.

>>18116763
>YOUR dear rentfree readdit didn't exist
and no. being a wage slave in the army didn't make me rich and i didn't used a safety razor or good ol knife.

>>18117131
>spent $100 and doesn't even know what the brush is made of
you really fucked up anon

>shave with safety razor and nice blades
>chubby-ass neck ends up covered in cuts and bumps and rash

>shave with disposable
>same

>shave with nice cart razor
>same shit

Wtf the fuck, my dudes. i exfoliate, i use quality shaving cream, i use pre-shave creams, i wait until after my shower.

>>18117179
Gillette makes blades for sensitive skin, that's what I use.

>>18111655
I bought 100 packs of Feather ten years ago, they were really cheap and high quality, really loved them

I ran out of them recently, tried to buy more, but now they were much more expensive. Tried them out and the quality was just as bad as any other brand, but cost more than gilette

They fell off

>>18117235
the ones that performed worse
feather has stringent quality control

>>18115675
Sir, Astra blades are proudly made in India now.

>>18117491
My packages still say made in Russia.

I broke out my razor with derbys in them to do my neck last year. Hadn't wet shaved in over a decade cause I grew a beard. Gave me horiffic razor bumps and I have no idea what I did wrong.

>>18117149
synthetic boar bristles apparently

>>18117501
From now on they're being made in India, and China as well. Russia = bad, etc.

>>18117179
>put all kinds of shit on your face
>wonder why your skin is irritated
try some cheap gillette foam brah. also dont be so harsh when shaving, dont go over the same place too many times.

Has anyone tried Cella? I'm looking for a soap that I can use daily that won't dry my skin out.

>>18111655
Feathers cut me up too much.
For me, it’s Personna. I can shave a full beard clean without any cuts or razor burns. Same with Derby blades, but those feel a little more dull—plus I hate turks

>>18115300
nta but I would like to see your collection

>>18118950
oh i forgot, i couldnt be fucked getting them all out and taking a photo, but for you i will tomorrow

>Wet shaving is cheaper
>Spends hundreds of dollars on blades, razors, soaps, brushes, stands, pre-shave, after-shave, cream, alum

>>18120657
yeah, i fell for the meme. just buy a OneBlade. simple, cost effective, pretty close shave. and no razor burn. takes 10 seconds.

i bought a safety razor, almost a hundred dollars right there for a decent one, then a “pre shave balm” and shaving cream, and a brush, and a bowl, and then a post shave cream, and fucking blades. over a hundred dollars and im still getting razor burn and it takes 30 fucking minutes with clean up on top of it

>>18120670
>one blade
1000 rupees has been deposited to your account

>>18120657
>van der hagen handle: $20
>blades: $5
>tube of prorasso: $10
all you actually need, total of $35 to start. from there i'd say you could manage to spend as little as $25 on blades a year on blades.

>>18120657
It’s always funny when people bring up cost, a blade is like 10 cents and you can shave with them 2-3 times
Your underwear you are standing around in costs more than a years worth of shaving

>>18120715
I shave with my blades like 10 times—not even flipping them or anything lmao

I’m 100% convinced shaving with a razor will fuck up my skin so I don’t

>>18120963
I would say it has a steep learning curve, but if you’re willing to stick with it you can get really good at shaving.

>>18120963
>I’m 100% convinced shaving will fuck up my skin

yes

What shaving soap should I pair with Terre D'Hermes?

I'm using personnas and I got more into Bics recently. they're both really good blades.

it barely matters what you use. Even some of the chinese blades were okay. I had green and black Baili blades which were supersmooth. the blue ones were horrible though.

i dont wet shave to save money, i do it only for the larp

>>18111655
this is the most reddit fucking shit in the entire world

>>18120657
you only need a good razor, those used to cost a dollar.

>>18122564
I would say that reddit is more reddit than shaving.

>>18122564
You can't just call everything you don't like reddit. Use your words. Redditors don't even shave anyway, they think having a patchy beard makes up for them being totally un-masculine.

sixsicksocks

>>18112366
the word you’re looking for is ‘bris’.
Would call you a dumb kike, but you’re probably a nigger

Anonymous

>>18124635
No, my drunk uncle cut me at my bar mitzvah real bad. I was bleeding everywhere and my mom didnt let me use the expensive napkins

sixsicksocks

>>18124666
Bahahahahaha. My bad. Good luck, moishe-ru

Anonymous

>>18124666
>I was bleeding everywhere and my mom didnt let me use the expensive napkins
the jokes write themselves.

>>18124932
You must have been the smartest kid on the short bus

>>18125100
you're a filthy subhuman and you worship a pedofile

>>18111655
marketing really works well on plebs, doesn't it?

>>18126185
cartridge razors are the ultimate marketing meme.

I try to avoid shaving everyday because it grows back thicker whenever you shave

>>18126261
they're good if you have shit on your face you don't want cut like moles