Film General Thread /fgt/

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Pentax 645n edition

Previous thread>>4307062

/fgt/ daily reminder (courtesy by anon): one stop per decade is (generally) bullshit
>negative film ages better than positive
>black and white better than color
>slow films better than fast
>storage conditions (dry/cool) matter more than years
>Negative film is shot 1 or 2 stops overexposed and then PULLED in development so that you build more density in the exposure and develop less such that the fog is limited
>slide/positive film is shot at box speed or overexposed and pulled.
>if you home develop you can also use benzotriazole as a restrainer for the the first developer in E6 process

Useful links
>[massive dev chart] gives times for home film development
https://www.digitaltruth.com/devcha<wbr>rt.php
>[film dev] shows results of development regimes
https://filmdev.org/
>[news & community links]
35mmc.com
casualphotophile.com
kosmofoto.com
emulsive.org
japancamerahunter.com

Thread Question
Do you prefer medium format or 35mm film? Why?

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>>4309008
>Do you prefer medium format or 35mm film? Why?
Medium format, because of the large negatives (absurd IQ, large area covered in great detail)
Also because it's cool as fuck. Love the process, the extra time it takes
And 120 slides are the shit
For quick scenes I prefer 35mm tho of course

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>>4309008
Large format. Bigger always equals better.

35mm film is simply photography meets physical reality, it's fun and you should do your own dev and scans with budget gear
Medium format is like shooting digital but worse, muh pixel level quality, there's nothing special about it at all but potentially an extra stop of toneh
4x5 and up is where it gets good again because the standard movements you can use are greater than those on 35mm perspective control lenses, but if you're not doing that it's just resolution wank for people who plan on coping hardcore when their drum scans get btfo by a $3500 gfx100s off ebay

>>4309014
The final form of large format photography is making contact prints, and then the final form of printing is not with silver. It is with platinum and other "better" metals that provide richer colors with the widest tonal range possible.

>>4309014
So I should put my money into large format and ditch my 120 toy camera?

>>4309008
>Do you prefer medium format or 35mm film?

I like 35mm more. Specifically, interchangeable lens rangefinder cameras. They're small relative to medium format or slrs. Some can fit in my pocket. Very fun to shoot. I also like to larp as HCB sometimes. Pic unrelated.

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>>4309026
Yes, but you must print your negatives.

>>4309030
Opposed to what, a scanning rig?

>>4309008
Depends on the subject matter but recently I've fallen in love with large format.

>>4309036
Yes.

>>4309008
I will also say that a full AF 35mm camera is great to have for casual shooting. Whether that's something like a 1v, f5, T3, G1, etc. All are good.

For medium format the best cameras are zone focused, wide angle, and in formats 6×7 or greater. The graflex slxw is a perfect example.

I’ve got this expired BW film, but I’ve never done my own development or had a darkroom before. Should I take my chances on this film or sell it to someone who can actually use it properly and I just buy HP5 to do at home?

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>>4309039
use the trix and develop at home, sell the neopan to some hipster cunt.
>>4309014
I want to shoot 4x5 just to make contact print cyanotypes lmao

I am too lazy to look into any other process

>>4309037
That's hot. Makes my iv look old and tired. 5 or a master with a rangefinder?

Do you have any cammed lenses, or plans to get any?

>>4309046
Master with Rangefinder, 50 Jahre Limited Edition. That's a Schneider Super Symmar XL 110mm f/5.6 105° and I had a custom cam made! Initially bought it cause I wanted to do 6x17 but I didn't want to buy a hyper specialized camera when I could buy an LF and get a Shen Hao film back for it. Only did I realize after the fact that I actually love the 28mm equivalent look it has and I've started using it for street portraiture very recently.

>>4309026
Yes, you should do absolutely everything random people online tell you to

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>>4309008
And here we have the kind of /fgt/ OP a cum-guzzling retard posts.
Indistinguishable from the 28 (!) other threads started with a generic gear photo stolen from google, and even worse than 5 of those because
they're very obviously film cameras where this is just a black plastic blob with a white badge on top like any other modern camera.
Not even cropped square or given text or a border to make it look like a general.
Do you like the feeling you get when you're the op little babby-retard?
HOT TIP, PUT FILM IN THE FILM GENERAL OP

>>4309072
Calm the fuck down, that's actually my camera. We set up a white box and took that photo for the thread.

how do I get into medium format without spending a shit load of money? I'm not talking about the film itself, a 15 roll of 120 for using 645 cameras costs the same as a 36 roll of portra so I literally don't care about that. but the cameras themselves are fucking stupid money for a mirror box and a lens, they don't even come with prisms 99% of the time and those cost as much as the rest of the camera, oh you wanted a film back so you can actually take pictures? $400, oh you wanted a dark slide with your film back? fuck you $120, no none of this works I found all this shit in the hands of a skeleton trapped in a car in the hudson river, [MINT++++] no offers, no returns, you organise freight.

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>>4309088
a TLR like a Yashica or if you are really broke a Lubitel.

>>4309089
>>4309094
But holgas and TLRs are fucking gay

>>4309088
Take 4 photos on 35mm and tape them together

>>4309099
Make a pinhole camera that uses an entire sheet of 120 film, 120 back for a 4x5 camera, or if you feel especially based get a mamiya universal or a graflex sl.

>>4309039
Shoot Tri-X at 200 and see if you get results
If it's still good, it'll look good
If it's gone bad, it'll still look good becuz pulling
This will give you an idea of how they were stored
Shoot Acros as 100 if the tests with Tri-X come out good, or adjust accordingly
Acros is one of the most beautiful B&W films I've ever shot, and these are first generation from what I see which is the best (in my opinion)
For Cinestill 400D just... whatever, shoot something unimportant with it
>as god intended

>>4309039
I shot expired tri-x at 200 and it still came out even grainier than usual. Overexpose for sure.

>>4309014
>extra stop of toneh
?
Can you translate this to plain English for those of us without brain damage?

>>4309051
>I had a custom cam made!
True rich bois found the thread it sounds like.

>>4309099
You want to play with the big boys, you gotta pay like the big boys, faggot.

>>4309110
>>4309124
>>4309126
fuuucckk, fine, i'll drop $1k on a mamiya 645 pro setup. would you recommend just going with a zoom for medium format or stick with primes? I can probably afford a basic ass 50 and 80/100mm but not a whole kit for every focal length under the sun.

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>>4309051
A beautiful set up, and it's incredibly based you chose a rangefinder master.

Hope you share a pic or two one day!

>>4309122
I think they're around 300ish dollars to have made by one of the few people left that can do it. Pennies compared to the camera and lens he is using.

>>4309121
all cool people know what it means.

>>4309128
645 is ultra cringe.
67 is ultra based.

You're going to shoot MEDIUM FORMAT! OWN IT!!! None of this baby shit!
I hate the ergonomics on my mamiya rz67 pro also.

>>4309128
>zoom lens
>medium format
are you retarded son

>>4309131
i'm not made of money, 645 is already 4x the area of 35mm and I don't own a digital camera capable of fully capturing that much detail as is
>>4309132
perhaps, so 80mm and a long boi like a 200mm for antisocial behaviour? (just realised 50 is instashit fov and I don't actually use wide angle ever)

>>4309128
>>4309131
>he doesn't shoot a 6x9 Soviet fold out
ngmi

>>4309054
>>4309011
I made a shitload of mistakes with my last roll
Guess I just had a lot going on in my head
I still kinda like these double exposed cats tho

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[double cats_061]_Kodak Gold 120_medres.jpg

>>4309132
Oh god im gonna ZOOM
-zoomar

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>>4309072
Have a cigarette and a shit man. Your on a thread about film cameras on an obscure montenegran bread baking board. No need to have a hemmeroid

>>4309128
You can get the camera in the OP with a lens in the OP for like, $700 on ebay.

>>4309150
I kneel, pentacon six truly is the goat system.

>>4309088
gw690 its just werks, just don't forget the lens cap
(only get 8 shots )

>>4309054
how do I get better at my editing?
picrel is the labscan, previous post is my edit from the DNG file
Although the colors look closer to real life in my editing, there's a shitload of parts where information is pretty much lost, it seems
And overall the lab scan is more pleasant
I normally can edit my photos properly and fairly well, but this one is driving me crazy
Thanks

>>4309181
Get the exposure right first and foremost but you already know that.
Then get adobe lightroom and negative lab pro. Its fucking impossible to get the colours right in just camera raw.
Piracy is always justified btw.

>>4309181
the colors are absolutely fucked in this photo, invest in some fucking light seals for your camera first. best I can do for "crunchy hipster warzone shit". it's mostly brush masks to cover up all the green and yellow flares, then clarity jacked to the moon. but realistically the image is just unsalvageable.

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>>4309054
Nice picture but you forgot to crop the frame markings

>>4309088

Bronicas are probably your best pick, best budget to quality ratio.

>>4309169
>12kb
>300px
Its a lie you fucking dipshit

>>4309011
I used to think this way until I got really good lenses on 35mm. And with a high res scan the resolution is in line with 120 while being so much more portable and dynamic as a camera.

>>4309184
It was metered for 200 as it should (Kodak Gold 200), but the next couple of photos I metered as 800 by mistake
To compensate I shot the rest of the roll as 400 and developed it as 400 as well so that I could get workable results across the whole roll
So the film is pushed and this is one stop overexposed, unfortunately
>get adobe lightroom and negative lab pro
>Its fucking impossible to get the colours right in just camera raw
I've been using only camera raw to edit my photos and 99% of the time it suffices, but I'll look into Lightroom and Lab Pro
I already have Lightroom installed but I've never got the hang of it, the whole thing was confusing as fuck
But I'll watch some tutorials online
>Piracy is always justified btw.
yeah I'm not giving them a penny lol
>>4309188
>the colors are absolutely fucked in this photo
yes, it's pushed and overexposed
I don't normally shoot like this, though
This whole roll was ridden with silly mistakes I've never made in years shooting
>Lightseals
Lightseals are fine, the crazy color blobs are something else
>>4309192
I kinda liked them there for this one

Thank you all for helping me out, fellas
Guess I'll just finally have to learn how to use Lightroom for when Camera Raw ain't enough

>>4309129
Actually I did already it was kind of a boring photo of the beach, and another one of a window with stickers. Both were really weak but they were the only ones that came out well-- turns out I shouldn't have trusted the film holders that came free with the camera. The camera itself was mint in box condition but it's been in that box for 30 years so I had to spend about 1,750 to have it overhauled and revamped. 150 of which was for the custom cam for that lens. 75 for infinity stops. 300 for new authentic bellows. All in all I spent about 3,500 on that camera but that's still a great deal compared to buying a new Master Technika Classic now.

I just recently shot another 10 photos but using brand new Toyo View film holders so I'm really excited to see the new results.

Regarding the lens, yeah I found it new in box as well. Got a great deal on it considering it came with free testing, and free new in box Center Filter IIIb that can cost as much as a lens as well.

>>4309192
The original term 'full frame' used to mean a photo with frame edge/markings. Some photographers like having the frame edge to show off the fact that they didn't crop to correct. It's a purist thing with some people.

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>>4309264
What part did you not like? Look it up, the term originates from cinematography. Sometimes used to also be called full gate, meaning no reframing was needed it was the 'full frame'. Term migrated to stills from there. I was merely explaining why some people prefer those edge markings or a black frame around their negative and where that style originated from.

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>>4309167
Gx680 for the bicep workout and one extra frame per roll.
>you vs the camera she tells you not to worry about

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>>4309248
>i shoot film so that others can see me using a cool retro looking camera and think im cool
Anon how about you shoot your cock off instead, you’re already a homosexual. And just get an x100 if you just care about the fashion larp

>>4309008
Generally medium format, because you get such an amazing slide from it compared to 35mm film and even with expired B+W film the grain is almost un-noticable on 6x7

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>>4309284
Larger than a press camera even

Fuji always has been a larp company

cANON

>>4309276
>Anon how about you shoot your cock off instead
Don't be so harsh.
He might not be able to purchase a firearm where he is.

Anonymous

>>4309276
>allegedly does photography
>doesn’t care about aesthetics

Odd flex

>>4309302
You're making a massive error here, and it's thinking retro chic is the only acceptable aesthetic, rather than just the one that matches your purse the best. That's ok, most hipsters have autism spectrum disorder and a major symptom is impaired theory of mind so the afflicted are literally unable to comprehend that their preferences are not simple facts.

>>4309310
To put it in fashion terms, retro larp camera people are the "supreme gentlemen" clinging to <40mm automatic watches and casually wearing 3 piece suits, with hats, or they are women (who actually can wear tiny watches and 3 piece suits with hats)

>>4309313
Lol you don’t know anything about fashion

>>4309286
Huh, you're right. Right down to them stealing the rangefinder look to LARP as one.

>>4309274
How is the 645? I was thinking of getting one.

>>4309317
No, that's pretty accurate. Leicas and silver crapboxes are the fedoras and seiko 5s of cameras. There to show others what you are (a twat). A bronica or a hassy 500, or even more ideally, a view camera, is actually more fashionable if used by a well dressed man who truly understands that photography is dangerous. It disrespects the subject, and it places a wall between the photographer and their own life, therefore it should be done purposefully and the camera ought not be a lifestyle item but a refined tool that is brought out to fulfill its duty and put back away. The act of using it alone is aesthetic, it is not a mere toy, it is not an addiction, it is not an all consuming, identity defining act. The painter does not carry his easel everywhere, but when he is at it, he is focused, he is serene, and he is himself the portrait of artistry. Purpose, vision, a calculated act of creativity that is uniquely human, far above the level of a monkey smearing shit on a wall and making noise. So it is with cameras - are you a monkey trained to press a button, or a man creating an image?

>>4309323
agreed compact cameras are ironically the most intrusive and obnoxious cameras. they're always there, always snip snapping and producing worthless "moment" photos nobody will look at more than once like "my cat looking cute #708" and "my kids smiling #1043"

big camera chads simply have a higher aesthetic, in the act and in the result.
also see: phones, the new leica. a simple device. simply intrusive. simply obnoxious. nobody can escape it, and nobody can put the fucking thing down and go somewhere without it. it's almost disrespectful. is the photographer really in control of the camera, or is the camera in control of the photographer?

>>4309323
>>4309330
Absolutely based.

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>>4309323
>>4309330
>Never learned to paint and it's constantly butthurt about it
Many such cases

>>4309347
>t. walking cctv camera suffering from celluloid madness

>>4309323
Again, you have no idea what a well dressed man is.

>>4309349
certainly not someone who thinks silver crapboxes are fashionable

>>4309323
>>4309350
What's your opinion on the Nikon F1? Surely a /fa/ expatriate has a lot to day on the subject.

>>4309302
>How can you care about photography when you are not a hipster who wears pentax k1000s as jewelery and nerds out over hasselblads?
Bronicas are quintessential to the aesthetic of Real Photography. It is a "the camera" camera, not a "my camera" camera. To have a bronica on a tripod is to say "i am a photographer" not "i like cameras". It's a more thoughtful and refined presence simply because it is unrefined like a speckled metal tool - the lack of mechanical refinement belies a higher degree of refinement than someone obsessed with broaches and baubles. The humble brush, the simple charcoals, sitting among luxurious fountain pens and soulless bics, an item for art first rather than idle doodles and superficiality.

The bronica user of today, and the bronica user is always of today, doesn't even wear a watch! They check their phone for the time.

>>4309351
A collectors item that belongs on a shelf along with all other 35mm (=consumer note taker that might as well be replaced by a digital camera).

>>4309353
>yellow ring on lens

Way over the top and gaudy for any truly fashionable photographer to ever consider.

>>4309256
About the colour blobs. Are you scanning in darkness? Reflections will seriously impact your colours.
You dont have to scan in perfect darkness, just dont keep the ceiling light on and shut your curtains.

I think I'm going to all in on dslr scanning this epson just ain't cutting it anymore

>>4309373
Do it anon, I’ve only done a few test frames but just from a shitty setup without proper holders or a good light, it still already blows my Canoscan 9000 out of the water.

I’ve been using an optifilm 8100 for a few years, don’t tell me that one is shit too

>>4309350
Again, you have no idea what fashion is.

>>4309375
you using a proper macro lens? thinking about using just a regular 50mm 1.8 I have for now

>>4309392
You can get attachments to flip a 50mm lens and you'll get a fine macro lens for like 10 bux

>>4309220
It's a lie you fucking dipshit

>>4309353
Welp, marketing slogans aside, Bronica on a tripod says nothing and suggest nothing. It simply does not look as old or goofy as chrome-accented Hassy or tlr. >>4309323
Horseshit.
Of course, gear affects how one works (see Meyerowitz), but it does not make photos magically better - there I can agree. A photo taken with utmost care, well metered and well printed can still not succeed. At the same time a snapshot can be much more intresting (in photographic terms), despite technical failures.
This is one reason why we have tons of Adams-wanabees that go to great lenghts and still wind out with boredom manifest on piece of film. It works the other way too - a legion of streetshitters trying to copy Winograd or whoever else you don't like, not realising that simply machinegunning everything in their way is not a way anybody from that generation of photogs worked and Wino's shooing style got exegerated massivly by "posthumos" works made at and caused bycertain (not happy or healthy) time in his life (not to mention that he himself bought 8x10 shortly before death).

I have also never met an draughstman or artist that would not carry a sketchbook or at least scribble on scrap paper.

tl;dr Bronicas ETR-s are cute. CUTE cameras with good lenses and full range of accesories to suit most situations. They are also quite affordable.
I like mine despite disliking 645 format.

>>4309392
I started with extension tubes for my 50mm, and then came across a laowa 100mm 2:1 on sale which so far has been great. The 50mm would be fine but you probably won’t get good magnification without using tubes or reversing it

Dead bird in a cage wetplate colloidion. I'm going to make a series as it decays into bones.

(I found the bird and put it in there.)

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Third plate. Look at that contrast!
This process is so much fun.

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Second composition. I think the first one is better. I will make two, three image series so I can milk this idea just a bit more.

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>>4309421
It's really hard to tell whats going on. Spotlight the bird. Dodge and burn. Something.

>>4309430
Phone pictures do them absolutely no justice, and my piece of shit computer is broken, so I can't scan/properly photograph them. All those white specks are actually glittery looking silver, and not just junk on the image.

These are captured in camera, so there's no dodging or burning. You can only use light modifiers, which I don't have. In person you can definitely tell what's going on. These wetplates have a finer definition/resolution to them than what you get from printing paper.

I'm getting a big clamshell reflector soon. It will be very useful for wetplate because the emulsion is mostly sensitive to UV.

>>4309353
The later gen ETRSi and SQi could look very sexy imo

>>4309128
I got a Pentax 645n after having other medium formats as I wanted “quick 35mm type autofocus”. Paid $515. Less than a month ago.

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>>4309421
>>4309412
>>4309408
While I admire your wet plate ambition I do agree with >>4309430 the pics are dark and hard to tell what’s going on. I also think it’s a cringe tier subject matter.

>pentax 645n shot on ortho 50

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>>4309508
Yes. 2 film holders also. I’m not in love with 645 as a format, however for taking quick snapshits the system is great and I really like it. If you were inclined to you could use it for serious shots if you liked the format.

>>4309515
Forgot pic

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>>4309361
My lab did the scans and they're always high quality
I don't know what happened for those blobs to appear, but I'll check the negatives to see if they're there
I believe they are
I respooled the film in the dark because I forgot to take the metal plate from the back lol
But in this process of respooling the film I think I touched the emulsion because my finger came out oily
I've never had a problem like that with emulsions but it's very probably the cause

Best affordable 645 lenses are the 55mm 2.8 and the 135 2.8. But the cheapest I bought is that 80-160 f4.5 zoom for $140, that lens is still available new for $2,000. Heavy though.

I have a Pentax P30. Any 40mm lens that will properly fit on it?

>>4309088
Kiev-60 or Kiev-88. It's still a lottery to get one without severe issues but it costs 150$ for Kiev-88+prism+extra film backs+case+Volna-3 80 or less than 100$ for Kiev-60 with lens and prism, both in good working conditions.

>>4309505
I'm going to see if I can make my next batch lighter today. I don't think I will like it as much, but it's worth a shot. Wetplate has a very low DR compared to modern film, so it may just look awful if I push the image a stop or 2.

Cringe = feelings, so I have succeeded in producing art and the series isn't even done yet. Ha! Ha! I know it's pretty cliche...

>>4309528
You're gonna have the camera on a tripod in a studio anyway though right? Right anon?

The N70 is the only SLR body I have, should i go for the n80 upgrade or is there a better Nikon slr out there

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>>4309557
wtf this isn't rpt whoops sorry mods can delete

>>4309557
What film stock did you use? Large format? This looks like a really skillfully processed ektar negative from a 6x9 camera at least

>>4309568
Soft image
Poor composition
Unrealistic colors
Obnoxious watermark
Clearly edited in speech bubble

2/10

>>4309549
If you're going to upgrade at least go to F100.

>>4309571
what can it do that the lesser ones cant

>>4309571
My gearfag brain tells me that a professional/prosumer nikon F autofocus SLR is the ideal film camera, but my normal person brain tells me that it's time to say "enough", stop switching gear around, and just treat the film camera like a hobby/fashion toy instead of a serious device that can be taken traveling until I can free up a room for developing LF, then it's ideal to leave the 35mm at home and shoot digital for fun and sheets for passion.

The normal person brain is probably right.

cANON

>>4309574
The viewfinder doesn't suck, for one.

Anonymous

>>4309578
So you’re going to abandon it for digital at one end and LF at the other? Good luck bro. Someday when I have an extra $1500 around I’ll try my hand at LF

>>4309581
The burkepill.

Digital cameras also make handy light meters for large format

>>4309578
Sort of pretty based, but you'll be missing out on printing all your inferior format film shots in the darkroom.

>>4309578
Better overall build quality alone to hold up until you actually make that leap. The F100 is enough you don't need anything more but in reality you don't need anything more than a Nikon F and yet here we are talking about the F80/N80 vs. F100.

1 16x20 sheet of glass costs 10 dollars and makes 16 4x5 plates if you can perfectly cut the glass.

This is the absolute cheapest way to shoot large format at less than 1 dollar per plate all materials included.

>>4309603
I’ve never done plate glass before, how do you keep the chemicals on the glass?

>>4309616
eggs.
I am not shitting on you

>>4309616
You add a small amount of amino silane to your colloidion. It helps it stick to the glass.

Well lads RIP to my eos 5, just fried the poor bastard. Was poking around to find a good place to pull alternate power line, to bypass the turbofaggot 2cr5 battery, and accidentally shorted the big flash caps. After a nice big firework, the thing is now basically dead. Comes on for a second with voltage but the goes into dead battery mode. Behavior makes me think other caps may have been blasted along the chain but honestly cba to trace it down. Goodnight sweet prince. It was only 25 bucks on eBay may just get a replacement desu, I liked this little thing and ef film shooting is wildly underrated (it just werks!). And whoever invented 2cr5 can roast in hell tbqhwy.

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>>4309667
kek, lmao at your life. I just picked up another two batteries for mine, the last one was in there for over 12 months before finally going dead. It is a 10/10 camera though, try being less retarded next time.

>60 USD for a roll of Portra 800 and 2 rolls of Kentmere 400
fuck this, I'm bulk loading

>>4309672
Yeah I’m retarded anon but being able to afford 2cr5s was not the problem, they’re just such a nonstandard retard format these days that I hate it. If I have to fry another camera to figure it out so be it. I ain’t no engineer after all. I just have to resist the urge to use this for as an excuse for gearfaggot upgrading to a higher model. I don’t NEED a 1v but……

>>4309677
>Right, but I have a 1v.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJ<wbr>qHPHLExo

>>4309677
Download the 143 page manual for the 1v and skim through all the features. Surely you will see how most, if not all the features, will drastically improve your photography.

>>4309689
Based utilitarian vs the based camera enjoyer

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>>4309690
the eos 5 has DEP as well tho...

>>4309691
Shit. You MUST need 11fps. Surely.

>>4309014
>Medium format is like shooting digital but worse, muh pixel level quality, there's nothing special about it at all but potentially an extra stop of toneh
Is this bait? Medium format...
>is sharper
>has more fine detail
>has less grain
>has better tonality and color
The last two, which are related, might be the most important advantage of 120 vs. 35mm. You shouldn't see grain structure instead of smooth tonal transitions.

Just putting out a warning for anybody wanting to buy respooled double X from Reflx Lab. Three separate roles and they're all like this.
The APX100 I shot on the same day looks fine.

Just look at this mess. Luckily I was only testing a lens that day but there are scratches running down the lengths of whole film. There's also what looks like a light leak but it's consistently there on every shot.

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>>4309699
Normies love photos that look like this tho

>>4309697
Isn't sharpness a lens thing? And saying fine detail and less grain sort of redundant?

lab fucked up my negs rip, not that my photos were very good or anything but still annoying regardless. need to start deving myself again i guess.

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>>4309710
pretty demotivated from this roll too

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>>4309008
>>14508214
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/brice<wbr>-rhodes-sentenced-to-life-in-prison<wbr>-for-2016-triple-murder-conviction/<wbr>article_e08c90c8-e149-11ee-ba90-3f2<wbr>bb0cd6309.html

Racist KKK white pig retard who discriminates against Asians should kill himself.

>>4309703
hey man i don't go too crazy cleaning the dust off my negatives because i like 'the look' but i do need to know i can trust a film stock.

Back to trix for me i guess.

>>4309697
you forgot the most important part
>big mirror go *CLACK*

What 120 film has the absolute most grain possible? Preferably black and white.

>>4309690
Brother, I don’t need half the features the eos5 has, never mind more on the 1v lol. I just want one. It upset at myself though, I was gonna try out a roll of pan f this weekend since I never used it before, but now my only 35mm is dead. Facebook marketplace locally has nothing for replacement. Sad.

>camera is acting up again
first few frame are spaced a good centimeter or so, getting shorter for each frame

>>4309760
here is one of the scans

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>>4309760
The rewind spool on my camera rarely moves unless i tension it first and this is my constant fear

How retarded of an idea is it to get into super 8 in the year of our lord 2024? I think it’s neat and cameras can be had relatively cheap but the processing into useful digital video seems like a massive pain in the ass

>>4309852
I think you found your answer by the end of your own comment.

It's a pain in the ass to get results you won't even be happy with because you've romanticized the idea from things you've seen online that took multiple people and multiple hours to edit.

>>4309694
>>4309690
>>4309678
Well someone out in the universe must’ve been listening, I dropped by my camera shop to pickup a roll of ol reliable kentmere and they had an eos 1 with nifty 50stm and extra battery grip on consignment. Probably an overpay slightly cause brick and mortar but my gearfaggotry overcame me. Plus it’s cool it’s as old as I am lol. Gonna see about running the roll thru it this weekend. It’s a weird upgrade but also downgrade from the poor 5 I murdered.

It has been done. My first wet plate taken on glass. The colloidion was a little harder to coat, but I made it work. This thing looks so cool in person. With the right background the image pops out at you.

>>4309862
Holy based. Have fun with it! Enjoy your 45 AF points! Now you definitely need to read the manual!

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>>4309868
>Enjoy your 45 AF points!
no no anon, eos 1. without letters. I get one central AF point and i'm going to like it. and if i don't like it fuck me. lol. looks like i actually only ended up paying in line with ebay prices for it so that's nice, about 100 canuckbucks. once i sell the extra 50mm it came with. I know these threads generally aren't fans of the more electronic automatic film stuff, but i love the sound of that film wind. its nostalgic.

Got the first role from my Pentax 67 drying as we speak. Super excited about the big negative, probably will get into large eventually.

>Tfw 20 rolls of 120 cost $213

Feels so good bros.

>>4309869
Oh... You will be inspired by your self imposed limitations! The 1v has an amazing shutter/wind sound. With the power grip it just sounds extremely snappy and precise.

>>4309884
I finally received my 100m roll of 70mm agfa aviphot lol. Spent like 170 on it. Should give me the equivalent of 100ish rolls of 120. I have a 70mm back for my rz67 that I'll be using even though I do not like using that camera without a tripod.

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>>4309884
First quick pic just to check function

>>4309887
I missed focus on my dogs face thanks to him being an asshole

got my first ever roll back. I like the photos, but not so satisfied with the scan quality after paying for enhanced scans.

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>>4309892
for the development and scans? Local joint

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>>4309888
Nice dog, bro. It's a hard earned skill to take in focus dog pics. I dream of capturing a non blurry wetplate shot of mine one day...

>>4309891
did you run your scans through Lightroom and make adjustments? straight from the lab isn't always the best considering they make post-process adjustments themselves

>>4309900
What enhancements should I make?

>>4309900
for the one youre quoting, yes I did. I like the quality of the development, just dont like how low-res the scans are.

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>>4309907
Well... You can see the images. Who cares how they look when you'll get to see the actual quality once you print them in a darkroom.

>>4309910
What software has the best automatic function?

>>4309891
>>4309907
the lab scanners are like 15-20 years old now. "enhanced" is basically the highest end digital sensor... by 2005 standards so yeah they're going to be low res and look like shit. doesn't really matter though as you still have your negatives so you can always rescan them later with a DSLR or whatever. personally I think noritsu looks like ass and you should always scan yourself. even if your digi camera is a old heap of shit like my 5D with only 9.5 stops of dynamic range you can still stack multiple exposures to recover literally everything.

Guys I think I've got it. My first photography project will be about taco stands. Small ones, big ones, roofed ones, open ones, all sorts! Do you think that's be cool?

>>4309923
Depends. Will your images be of the corner of the taco stands?

>>4309923
Sure. That sounds like a fun scavenger hunt too.

>>4309923
shoot them at night on Cinestill 800T

>>4309927
Yes and I will shoot them on pushed Portra 400 for the tonez
Jk I want to shoot most of them straight on, thinking about using 6x7 but might use 35mm for shots where I can't setup a tripod
We'll see

>>4309928
Excellent

>>4309923
sounds pretty fun, you can also review the tacos at each stand and then make your own taco stand photobook guide

>>4309923
Cool or not, it’s nice to have an actual project and goal to work through. I was recently in California and thought it would be neat to try and catalogue as much of the rapidly dwindling googie buildings and street signs as possible.

>>4309923
godspeed man.

t. taco man

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>>4309706
>Isn't sharpness a lens thing?
It's both.

>And saying fine detail and less grain sort of redundant?
No, they're related but somewhat independent within a small range.

>>4309934
Might be fun to order a plate of 3 tacos and photograph that as well. Then you have a great excuse to eat lots of tacos.

>>4309938
>>4309952
Fugg, when making photobooks how much variation between the photos is allowed? Now I'm thinking I have the taco stands themselves, then I bring a P&S to do closeups of the food with flash, so it looks vibey.
Might be too much difference in the images between an MF shot and a shitty P&S shot

>>4309957
Left page is taco stand, right page is tacos. If your book isn't too big 35mm and 67 may not be thaaaat different. You could also play on the difference and figure out two complimentary films for the different subjects.

>>4309957
I say shoot it all on Gold 200 in 35mm

>>4309959
blud tryna sabotage my project

>>4309958
I.this dude's suggestion >>4309933 for night shots, then I'm thinking shooting the food in B&W. Stupid idea?

>>4309962
It would surely be artistic. Food can be quite tricky to shoot in b&w.

>>4309963
This gentleman over here is conspiring against my project*

>>4309891
>>4309907
Hello fellow Columbus bro, do you remember Chicks camera? The one armed guy who used to develop photos there?

What's the best Nikon f camera for working in studios e.g multiple flashes, working with wireless triggers etc

So today I tried the massively over expose everything instagram effect. Shot the whole roll +2 stops just using the built in light meter. A lot of shit images but some of them worked. Definitely a neat look if you can find a scene with the right contrast ratio. But I would avoid doing this shit without spot metering to get middle gray in the right place or you're just throwing money away.

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>>4310029
i like the penis carved into the bench

>>4310037
same, i didn't place the glove there either. so I think it tells a harrowing narrative of small pee pee man who just wants to be loved

>>4310029
>zoomers discover the idea of high key and rename it, like everything else they "discover"
zoomers were a mistake

>>4310052
Isn't high key lighting where you intentionally light a scene for a dreamy/scifi look though? I'm doing it specially to fuck up the colors.

lately there have been many new or "new" (read: rebranded) films on market. does anyone know what this film is? it is sold on few european stores but i couldn't find any information or example fotos of it.

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>>4310071
99% chance its some kind of kodak respool, but i don't know for certain. who else is making 400 colour stock in bulk these days after all?

>>4310072
probably some kodak. there seems to be also 27 exposure disposable camera from that brand which looks the same as kodak's disposable cameras.

Zach

>>4310128
Nice. Wish you the best on your film photography

Anonymous

>>4310129
Thanks, I feel giddy for doing color at home for the first time

>>4310136
The nice thing about c41 at least is you don’t have to deal with variable timings and recipes depending on the phase of the moon and whether you farted while loading the camera and all the other silly variables black and white film dev can have. C41 is c41 is c41, simple as.

>>4310091
Nope. Fuji 400 is just Kodak rebranded starting this year once Fuji’s oft-rumored deep frozen stock runs out.

>>4310128
Glhf, may your negs be dense.
I might dev a couple rolls tomorrow depending on how lazy i am

>>4310141
nope. it's not rebranded Kodak it's its own emulsion. check the charts nigga

>>4310154
The Fuji 200 (incidentally the one in >>4310128) is literally Gold 200 to the point they just copy pasted the curves in spec sheet. I'd be very very surprised if it wasn't the same with the 400 (and 100) versions.

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>>4310166
Fujislugs will cope even when the truth literally bites them on the dick, it is what it is

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>>4310179
why would you do that to the shadows

This 12 year expired 70mm agfa aviphot from India doesn't look half bad from this batch of test shots... I wonder how the contact prints will come out...

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>>4310139
It may sound like it, but to me b&w is much easier, yeah there are more variables but it's also relatively much much more tolerant to being off in your temps and times.
Also I fucking hate temperature control of non-one shot developers. In 20 years of doing b&w I only mixed one powder developer (ID-11, last year), and it sucked cooling it to 20°C each time (it was a hot summer). But it didn't suck anywhere near to how much it sucked to heat CD and Blix to 39° just now, I must have used an olympic pool's worth of hottest water I had on tap to get there. And even with vigorous mixing by hand there was a 5° difference between one end of the bathtub and the other.
I definitely need to get a sous vide dildo before I do it next time. Or maybe I'll just microwave...
One-shot developers win each time, and I can easily get stable 20°C straight out of tap. 99.9% of my stuff is HC-110 and Rodinal. Also lately I've been coming to a conclusion that 1 hour stand dev in 1+100 Rodinal is the true standard b&w process. Yeah, all the "wet" steps of C41 take 15 minutes altogether (1-hour photo used to be a thing after all), but it's like running a relay race all by yourself. I'd rather just chill with a book or do some chores for an hour, and not worry about things imploding because developer got 0.15 degrees hotter or colder than the "standard".
>>4310145
Cheers, you too! Have you been doing C41 at home for long? Got any advice to make it easier?

Anyway the deed is done, it looks... all right so far? Hard to tell, but at least it didn't go catastrophically bad.

>>4310202
Here's a quick and dirty (and pointless) inversion from a phone snapshit of the still wet film. It looks bad, but hey, there is color!
I'll post real scans later. I shot two rolls of Fuji 200 on this one hike, I had one processed by a lab already so I can see side by side how they compare.

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alright nvm i mixed up chems and developed two rolls cus i got too impatient LMAO

>>4310201
*they* dont want you to know this but you dont need to keep your chems at exactly 39c the whole time it just needs to be in the ballpark of body temperature. I developed mine in 37c and dropping as the sink water kept getting cooler, i bet i was down to 30-28 by the time the blix was done and picrel has turned out fine

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>>4310201
Stand development is the cheat code if you can live with the decrease in contrast. I ran a roll for over an hour with ilfosol “one shot” from a simplicity kit, which had already processed a few rolls, and it turned out largely fine, just a bit flat lol. Ilford rates the simplicity kit ilfosol as strictly for two rolls and then spent. I also have used dilute ddx for stand and it was fine. You’re right that there’s a ton of latitude with bw. It’s only finkicy if you want technical perfection, but even sloppily done it’s largely “good enough”

>>4310201
You can also get a smaller container, man, instead of using a giant bathtub.

Zach

>>4310223
Now I suppose you'll be able to get your photos at 8k resolution compared to spending a ton of money to get them transfered

>>4310231
Too expensive and time consuming to get a chemistry effect in a mechanical light proof box with a specially manufactured silicon glass in the front. I prefer using my T2i.

>>4310233
Getting your film photos produced by a vendor costs more than getting it done yourself. You don't know if you're getting scammed indirectly. Does walgreens still transfer film?

Anonymous

>>4310237
I thought you didn't shoot film.

>>4310237
idk about walgreens i'm not familiar with them, and idk what you mean with scammed indirectly

>>4310237
Late stage terminal brain damage.

Zach

>>4310240
Well you get scammed by a website that says send our film to us and we will develop it for a price. You put your film cannisters in a package send it to them excited that it'll get developed but low and behold the website scammed you of money to get it developed which never happens losing all your photos you've taken.

Anonymous

>>4310243
The address will be on the mailed items. If it's a false address you'll get a return through a return address. If it's a real address then go get your shit.

>>4310243
i've never had this happen to me

I just got a flash module for my SRT-201, boy is it gonna be fun wasting 2 rolls of film figuring out how to take pictures with flash.
anyways it won't fit in my camera bag because I have two huge lenses which seem similar, which one should I get rid of between
>Quantaray 85-210mm f3.8 Macro
>VIvitar 80-200mm f4.5

I don't know much about lenses yet but I don't need two huge ones.

gonna dev HP5 Plus pushed to 1600 tonight bros

>>4310246
Make sure your shutter speed is 1/60 or slower and that the tiny window on the front of the flash is clear of dust, or your fingers.

Zach

>>4310245
That's good. I've gotten scammed from a lens conversion deal three times.

Anonymous

>>4310223
>>4310201
>clean and clear workspace
>chems laid out in order
>measuring jugs with spouts to pour into and out of quickly and without spilling
>waterproof stopwatch
>microwave chems to get them up to temp, water bath to keep somewhat stable
Worth remembering too that the first step (the dev) is the only time/temp sensitive one, the other steps, bleach and fix, work "to completion", and the high temp of c-41 is really only to enable all of these processes to happen quickly.
I did my own c-41 for years before I found a reasonably priced dev-only lab, can't recall ever fucking it up, and I re-used the chems well past their claimed capacities.
>I used the kitchen sink though, not a bathtub like a retard

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First film results with the lense in
>>4295517
and predictably most of the look like this or worse; mirror slap/shutter shock's a bitch.
Ones that worked out were 1/250 or faster, everything in that 1/60-1.5sec range (where most of the really exciting leaves & rocks live) shows a heap of blur.
I was using girthy tripod and self timer. The 30V has a mirror lockup function which works fine for macro where the camera is mounted to the tripod, but I really think the answer is a shot-bag or something to damp the camera.
Any thoughts?

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>>4310206
Hallelujah, it's beautiful! Fresh scan, no tone or color edits at all, only sharpened a notch. I think I'm in business.
Now to figure out if the cost of chems and the effort of doing it at home outweighs the cost of sending it to the lab.
Thank you for bearing with me today and all the advice.
>>4310223
This looks good. 25% temperature drop without compensation feels like a lot though, at least for developer. But yeah I would be much less worried about blix being a few degrees off. I am just a little paranoid after developing R100 which seems to be super sensitive to temperature.
>>4310227
I don't mind using this cheat code, and in most cases I don't mind flatter look, makes it easier to edit later. I haven't tried stand with any other dev than Rodinal, didn't even think there were any others suitable for it.
Also I haven't used DD-X in years, but I remember it fondly. But it ends up being too expensive if you develop a lot.
>>4310228
For sure lol, that's just what I had available. And I thought, too, that bigger volume of water would keep it more stable and heat the bottles up faster, but it didn't seem to be worth it without some active temperature control and circulation.
I have a suitable tub in mind, so hopefully next week will I get the sous vide thing.

>>4309988
I don't, i've only been in the hobby since last summer.
This was my first ever film, fell in love with an om-2n I saw at World of Photography.

>>4310286
>so hopefully next week will I get the sous vide thing.
srsly don't bother
Maybe it's a solution if you want to get better results with e6, but for c41 it's not needed.
And for E6, nothing you do will work better than, let alone as well as a good lab, and it will only be economically viable if you save your rolls and use a whole kit at a time, because the chems go bad immediately.

>>4310285
100mm f/2 I bought at the same time though, no such issues.
A bit glowier than I expected wide open, but still pretty glorious, and a really nice size to carry around.

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>>4310302
>film is expensive
>processing is expensive
>diy even is expensive
>kodak might just kill it off eventually anyway
Chromesisters, where did it all go so wrong?

>>4310364
Do wetplate colloidion. It's really cheap, and requires minimal equipment aside from a LF camera. Even if you wanted to do 8x10 It's only about 4 dollars per shot.

I walked around a stinky river today.<br>May have some photos to post later if I don't drink from the rodinal bottle

>>4310368
How does it taste? Have you compared aged rodinal with fresh?

>>4309406
Okay okay. Does focal length matter for this? I'm using Z mount so I only really have a 50 and a 105

Well... I have 3 contact sheets to dump. Starting with the agfa aviphot. This is an aerial film. It appears to be in good working order, and these look really nice for tiny little prints. I shot the test images at the rated 200, then 100, and 50 iso. I think 100 iso may be best for my uses. Very exciting news because this is literally some of the absolute cheapest MF film in existence.

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Next up is 4x5 chick pics. I am a little dissapointed with these, but I did succeed in my quest for totally in focus close up shots of these chicks. These 6 pictures took me around 2 hours to set up and take. I used strobes and everything. What a pain. I really like bottom left, so I call it a success if 1/6 is to my liking!

Sorry I cannot share higher quality images than these.

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And here are the last 2 chick pics plus a couple of my macro shots to fill the sheet. Thanks.

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Pro Image 100 on deck for a baseball game tomorrow lads, should be fun

>>4310377
Not from there, just visited, but good spotting!
>>4310364
>expensive
It was ever thus, it all went wrong when digi became cheap.
>>4310379
Gold 200, it's right there in the filename
>>4310381
Both of the native Z macros are excellent optically, but for scanning the 105mm is easier because
>more working distance
>easier to align film parallel to sensor
>less vignette
>less visible sensor dust
>less visible backlight/diffusion panel dust
>easier to evenly illuminate the background with a narrower FOV
>less diffraction softening at small apertures
Which is all to say that a great result can be had with either, but will be easier to achieve with the 105mm

>>4310396
>Gold 200, it's right there in the filename
I'm so sorry I'm a brainrotten zoomer it's over for me

>>4310387
>>4310388
chickens are such nice creatures
took some pics of mine recently but either lost the perforation or something else so about 15 frames are all mangled together

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>>4310396
did you spend your trip shooting penis grafitti?

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>>4310455

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>>4309886
based
i like the picture as well

i ended up kinda really liking this one
not sure why

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All shot on kentmere pan 100

Developed in f76+ for 7 minutes. So far this film does not disappoint

>>4310455
Nah, I saw the seals at Kaikoura too.

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What do you think, is sunlight through a window strong enough to de-yellow a lens? I applied some aluminium foil into the end cap
Pic related

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How do I get into film photography as a beginner?
I have a Konica Pop but want something with a little more control that's still relatively easy to handle.
Is something like a Konica C35Ef3 sensible progression?

>>4310517
Nah just get an old Praktica M42 mount SLR. Full manual with a light meter.
Cheap, effective, good.

>>4310387
>>4310388
Omg such qties, nice work Anon

>>4310509
I haven't heard about doing this before, but I understand the principle. A window will filter out most UV so you would have better and quicker results with a UV bulb. UV, even longwave, is bad for you though so do it in a closet in a room you don't use. Looks like a day or two is enough. If you have all the time in the world then you may as well try the window method, just make sure it doesn't get too hot.

>>4310680
Last year I tried leaving it outside in sunlight for some time, but in less than an hour shit started getting uncomfortably hot, so I didn't continue it after that. Then I tried taping a 12V, 1W led bulb into the front element and leaving it for a couple of weeks but it didn't do anything. Maybe I'll see if I could still find the ikea led lamp that's recommended for de-yellowing lenses on other photo forums.

Experimenting with stitching shift photos together.

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The Pentax 67 is quickly becoming my favorite camera. The negatives from it are just amazing, it’s quick to focus and set shutter. It’s just a great camera. I was able to hand hold some random snapshits inside at 1/30 and not have noticeable shake. Really glad I got it. Although this definitely means the SWC is getting sold as I see no need for it when I can get a wide angle for this camera for dirt cheap, plus I’d use it way more as I like the 67 worlds better.

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>>4310732

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First time shooting PANF.
I gotta say I like it more than I like TRI-X at this point.

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Anybody shoot Phoenix [the film]

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two nig nogs screaming at each other.

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>>4310742
>more than tri-x

Lofty statement my friend, why do you say that?

>>4310746
>>INB4 TONE FAGGOT
Let me re-phrase my point. I think that for a walking around film, at evening devloped in rodinal it looks really good. I'll post my TRI-X in a bit, for your inputs.

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>>4310746
Tri-X for ref.
I sold my XPRO-3 for a Bessa R2m, and I really like it. It's made me shoot more.

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again, I don't know if I didn't dev it right in rodinal but this isn't as contrasty as I wanted.
I also know that this is a meaningless photo.
I just like shutter go burr.

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>>4310747
I do like the look of it. Closest I have personally come to liking as much as Tri-x is ortho 80

>>4310751
TriX can be super contrasty, a pointless snapshit

>dev in rodinal

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>>4310753
no shit.
I know that most of my photos are shit.

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>>4310754
Join the club, all of mine are shit.

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I don't understand why there is a pink tint to my scans of portra

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I'm glad I listened to anon and got the Planar instead of the 'cron.

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I know these are OOF.

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Any other silver lens users here?
I am trying to be unobtrusive, but people keep on noticing it.

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>>4310732
is the mirror slap too much? can you get a 21mm for the pentax? i love 21mm and was hoping to get a swc in the future (i dont have much of a need for it right now)

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>>4310772
>>4310773
>>4310770
>trust me bro, a rangefinder is just as accurate!

>>4310779
I know for a fact that my Bessa R2M isn't as accurate as a SLR. Thats due to EBF, which I plan on resolve by >>coping with a m5.
I don't plan on making prints, and these are good enough for my purposes.

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>>4310732
Been thinking about swapping my RB67 for one of these, just a lateral move?

>>4310785
One's a technical camera with bellows focus, leaf shutters, back and finder accessories, and one's a handheld SLR.
Not really interchangeable.
>>4310779
Rangefinders are way more accurate for focusing wideangles, but for fast 50's it's a different story.

>>4310791
The bokeh is so cool, what lens did you use?
>>4310714
WOAH

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>>4310791
>>4310785
The rb67 is kinda a useless camera IMO. It’s not as good of quality as a hasselblad or Pentax, other than bellows and 6x7 it doesn’t have any real draws.

>>4310853
Agreed. I would even take a Bronica SQ-Ai over an RB.

What's your deepest regret in film?

For me, it's shooting 35mm. So much 35mm I could have bought a 500cm by now. I can show my friends and family medium format shots, 35mm shots, modern FF digital, and photos from a 10mp digital CCD SLR. They can't tell the 35mm from the 10mp but they always notice there's something magical about MF/LF.

I should have done that experiment sooner...

>>4310771
I don't think they make a 21mm for the 6x7

>>4310881
50mm in 6x7 is the equivalent of 25mm on 35mm film. 40mm is 20mm.

Look. The 1800mm rodenstock apo Ronar.

The projection circle is large enough for 2mx2m plates!!!

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>>4310875
> What's your deepest regret in film?
1. Didn’t save first negatives
2. Wasted too much time/shots shooting color on the begging of my film journey
3. Wasted film with shit cameras (p&s, soviet garbage, no metering manual ones)

And here it is fellas! My first contact print of a wet plate colloidion negative I took on glass. Pretty little thing. The small shack is so crispy sharp in person. The fine detail really makes it stand out.

The nikkor T ED 720mm lens is really quite nice, but a major pain to work with. I had to use 2 tripods to support my camera in the wind for my 5 second exposure.

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>>4310853
idk, bellows focus, mirror lockup, leaf shutter and rotating back were both pretty useful for that photo
>>4310851
I think it was the 180mm, it's my favohrite lense for the camera of the 5 or so I have