expired film

post photos you've taken on expired film
picrel is 1000iso 3m colorslide that expired in 1984

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>>4295767

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>>4295767
70mm Mystery film I got with my linhof cine back. Dark green backing. Thin negatives at 50 iso. I suspect it is a 12 or 25 speed film at this point.

When I get my dev kit I will develop more of the film. It's kinda cool...

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ultramax expired in 2006 shot in 2021 and developed last summer

this came from a mystery disposable I found at my mom's house, pretty sure it's from my sister's high school trip so some time in the late 2000's if I had to guess. The camera was missing the paper wrapping so no idea what kind of film was in it or when it expired

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>>4295767

kodak ultramax 400 expired 2005 shot around 2015

>>4296287
Oh nice, maybe I should find some rolls and put them in storage. Really digging the gloom.

If i'm not so tired that I want to hang myself tomorrow I'll load my latest acquisition with some expired fujifilm and try to finish the roll the same day, then develop it in expired chemicals just for lolz

>>4295913
>>4295916
Your sister had an eye for kino, get her on the board

>>4296505
>Your sister had an eye for kino, get her on the board
she really doesn't lol. half of them look like this or worse because she forgot to use the flash

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>>4296507
kino does not have to be properly exposed. She doesn't miss

>>4296508
disagree. anyway here's a pic from another mystery disposable she had. the roll was me and my brother's birthdays from 2006, this is him with his first car. it took me a while to realize it but it's pitch black outside because the street lights hadn't been fixed yet after hurricane katrina

>>4296490
Mmmm good enough

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>>4297392
nvm, overdevelopment plus expired film yields completely opaque film lmao oops

>>4295767
20 year old Fuji superia 200 from my dad's Pentax, 16 photos out of 36 had anything visible

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>>4296511
your sister is a kinographer and you are just jealous, admit it

>>4295767
Svema DS 5m exp.1991

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>>4295767
I didn't take these but were on 2 rolls out of the lot I got off eBay as unused... likely shot in 2004 for a political publication and now I double exposed it and developed 20 years later. Interesting times. Guess the guy got too stoned to develop them and forgot lol.

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>>4306601
are you the one who posted the blue building in the train thread

>>4307323
I am not, no

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>>4295767
I have a handful of expired film. Do you have tips on how to best get results? e.g. wrong iso and do I need to let the developer know about it?
Can't remember the details but this is on expired film. I just stuck in in the camera. Kodak something

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Oldfag thread +10 years

Sugar

ITT: previous work from more than 10 years ago that you shot

I'm doing a huge data migration and have had a second look at all of my early stuff when I had a Digital Rebel. I'll post stuff as I get through it and see it. This particular one is 2011.

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Both of these people are dead now.

:(

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Here's a Kodachrome slide from when I was a bike nerd.

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Anonymous

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sinu

first paid shoot i did, ~14 years ago<br>lol at the retouching

>>4299060
and my wannabe street phase, ~12 to 13 years ago
dont have much else that old, and big hiatus until ~8 years ago

Anonymous

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>>4298895
really nice
we don't fly them anymore

As much as I dislike Sugar, it's important the kids know,
>you're here forever

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Shot on slide film circa 1997, scanned using one of those really cheap chinese made film scanners you can buy on amazon.

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>>4301907
I was very pleased with this when I took it, it required some waiting around to catch a train on that trestle.

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Sugar

>>4301907
>>4301904

>Santa Fe pre-BNSF merger

moar

Anonymous

>>4302213
it was actually the during transition when ATSF and BN were mixing but they hadn't repainted anything in BNSF yet

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also was not long after the UP-SP merger

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Are trains the most kino transport? Have you ever seen a gay ass bus look that good?

>>4302310
buses have always been low class. buses have been been the mode of transport for people too poor to own a private vehicle, too poor to hire a taxi, and too lazy to ride a bike, since the days when the bus would have been horse pulled. trains, however, used to be classy and in some cases still are.

>>4302308
Mid-South was only a railroad from 1986 to 1994, in Mississippi and neighboring states.

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>>4302310
Trains are classy because they can have amenities on board

A bus is just cramming 50 dirty hobos into a hollowed out and stretched VW beetle

>>4302412
japan can do busses right

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>>4298895
I regret never getting to see a shuttle launch. Based dude.

>>4301854
The building's called Alba Nova, but NORDITA seems like the kind of people whod' hang out there.

>>4301854
Didn't know the name of the building, was hanging with some physics people in here once. Never thought I'd see a photo of somewhere I'd been too on /p/. In fact I took a similar shot while I was there.

Hello, 1st post - trying to learn Taken with a Canon Powershot A75 in 2006.

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>>4298910
>>4298911
Sir that is the most beautiful thing I have seen in a long time

What
is that?

BurtGummer

>>4309320
It'll be an architectural feature on some business in London. Sugars always farting around in the capital.

Sugar

>>4310249

Wall in Bikkrui Lounge, Orlando Florida.

I was ****very**** drunk when I made those

Anonymous

>>4298895
You did not take this photo.
Egy only photographs random people walking.

>>4299060
You gave them a refund, right?
Or at least delivered the RAWs so they can not live in cringe forever?
It's fine to suck, but giving baked JPEGs only should be a crime.

The more i look at old pictures, the more i think muh image quality is fucking pointless shit in cameras and photography. At least the image quality of today is sufficient. It's just very sophisticated advertisement of the market.

>>4310391
lol no, everyone's gotta start somewhere, fine for what they needed at the time, no point in giving raws to a client
should contribute to the thread and share some of your old work


ok your camera is cool but is it space worthy??

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>>4298286
why is that Z9 in that retarded white cover other than to make it even more difficult to use in those gloves

>>4298286
>28mm
nasa confirmed snapshitters

>>4298288
Probably additional protection against radiation, you dumbass.

>>4298366
>no radiation sealing
Another embarrassment for Nikon!

>>4298409
NASA just retired their d850s for Zsss.

>>4298409
Yup, the z9 partnership doesn’t go to space until the Artemis iii mission.

>>4298288
don't listen to the other retards who responded to you. it's in that soft case to cover the entire camera with a soft case. it may seem silly, but a hard edge can get snagged, and a snag during a spacewalk can be fatal - nasa doesn't like to take risks.
you can also notice that the soft case is entirely held to the camera with just Velcro, and there is one designated attachment point for the camera to link to the astronaut's gear.
>it just makes it harder to use
this is true, but likely you wouldn't be able to play with camera settings through the suit anyway. I would wager that the camera is configured for proper exposure and etc before it is even put into a soft case. remember that without an atmosphere, only certain specific angles are even possible to capture without extreme overexposure, so I can't imagine there is really any leeway for a space-walker to get creative with their subject or exposure.

>>4298366
>>4298412
it's not a normal camera. nasa wouldn't just take a random earth camera up to space. that camera is specifically built with a hard, dense metal body which blocks radiation. the soft cover is unrelated.

>>4298441
it pretty much is a regular camera with a radiation shield on top
your fanfiction doesn't matter

Sugar

>>4298286

>go through all the effort of going to fucking space
>take one of the worst 28mm lenses Nikon ever made

definitely sounds like some shit the government would do

Anonymous

>>4298464
Sugar aren't you a bit too old to still be posting here

BurtGummer

>>4298469
Arent you a little bit poor trash to still be posting here?

Anonymous

>>4298288
kevlar cover, theres millions of tiny fine particles of random shit floating around that hit everything at like 4,000mph
being in space for extended periods of time is like being sandblasted constantly

>>4298286
Nasa recently got new cameras I don't remember what they're called

>>4299157
They were more nikons
https://www.nikon.com/company/news/<wbr>2024/0207_mirrorless_03.html

Screenshot 2024-04-07 at 18-00-27 Nikon shoots for the stars Nikon Lenswear.png

>>4298366
It's most likely to insulate it against extremes of hot and cold. Camera sensors don't work very well if he overheat. They may also put in some shielding for radiation because radiation tracks along CCD images are very hard to fix

>>4298463
Doubtful. When NASA partnered with Hasselblad to make cameras for the space program, they went all in to make sure the images were as good as possible. They use special plates with hash marks precisely measured so they could do accurate photometric work on the photographs, they built a special 500 El with a conductive plate inside so that static wouldn't build up in the camera as the film advances and generates a static charge, the lenses were all hand kicked out of the line and adjusted to produce the best results possible for each of them. All in NASA paid them somewhere over a million and a half dollars for about four dozen cameras, some 150 lenses, and Extras like 70 mm backs. I actually own one lens from the special group plus a spare EL body that they sold at auction in 1997.

>>4302333
PS. In the Ron Howard film Apollo 13, you can see them throwing cameras Down the Hatch to put into the Command Module for reentry when the trying to balance off the weight difference from the lack of moon rocks. Ron was lucky enough to partner with somebody who knew where he could get these cameras from private collectors myself included. I didn't get to instruct the actors on how to use these cameras, the other person did who had more in it. Unfortunately when they were doing filming on board the vomit Comet for these scenes, they tossed the lens across the Gap too quickly in the mock-up, and the guy missed it and hit the wall and damaged it. One lens that NASA wanted, but they didn't get in time was the 105 F 4.3 UV Sonnar. By the time that was available, they'd already gotten a workaround lens from another company and adapted it.

>the best space pic ever

Sorry but if you aren’t shooting a hasselblad you aren’t trying.

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>>4298463
It's a nationwide hobby project, not the military. Their funding is justified different.
>military: spend as little money as possible, but also wantonly waste money on bullshit R&D and even flying tires back and forth to use more gas to show that you need your budget
>NASA: gimme five million dollars i want a cooler rocket
So they actually did buy the best camera they could afford. I'm sure a hasselblad SLR was available at the time but apparently their build quality's gone to shit over the years, so say hasselblad users.

>>4302715
NASA and pork go hand in hand, SLS is a good example of how they operate. spend way more to get as little in return as possible

>>4298286
That lens fucking sucks. I have one.

No, but I'm not space worthy either so it doesn't really matter.

>>4298286
people actually think men went to the moon
>meanwhile
>these gloves
>literal Shrek sized fingers
I'm not saying there aren't men with huge ass hands on this earth, but even if the moon were real, we wouldn't be sending a giant up to it.
Just like we don't have giants racing horses.

My camera is cool and has actually went someplace cool, a coral reef, no camera has been to space as the earth is flt and a the moon is a projection originating from the secret labs on Antarctica.

>>4307968
If space is real, tell me.
What does it smell like?
What does it look like?
What does it taste like?
What does it feel like?
What does it sound like?
What does it auids like?

I think they used a F5 back in the day, I have a F5, so I guess my camera is cool and "space worthy"

>>4298286
I donno
if it's water proof then it can survive in that space water tank lol

Even shitty sonys are space worthy. <br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQ<wbr>8IU81wZU

>>4298286
I use a Pentax of course it is

cANON

>>4309506
It's worthy of being blown out the air lock.

Anonymous

>>4308827
You realize Sony donated money to partner with them so they'd bring this junk into orbit for advertising purposes, right?
Space niggers do real imaging. Imaging. Read the word. Imaging. Not photography. A consumer "photography" camera has no purpose in space.

They use raw sensors without color filters and swap custom filters for capturing real images with known wavelengths.
If they're bringing meme cameras to film the crew inside the human habitable zones, well, that's not much of an accomplishment is it? If it's fit for humans, of course any camera should work.

Zach

Did you know on the moon landing Zeiss had a specially manufactured lens that Stanley Kubrick used in Barry Lyndon?

Anonymous

>>4310292
Yes. Here's a good video on the subject for anyone who can stand the German accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5<wbr>E7iXxeQE

>>4298286
I would gladly fire my S1R into the sun if that counts.
I might have to send Elon an message and see what we can do.

>>4298437
>so I can't imagine there is really any leeway for a space-walker to get creative with their subject or exposure.
Perhaps the ultimate ever f8 and show up.

>>4302659
>turns out that the Earth is neither round or flat, it's half a sphere
holy shit


Used Cameras Shop

been thinking for awhile about maybe opening up my own Used Cameras Shop but not entirely sure where to start or what I need to do in order to get it off the ground and not just be an idea but a plan I can get into action with

>>4295219
Buy someone elses entire camera shop.

>>4295219
gonna need to stock up on used cameras for starts
might want to consider branching out and selling the lenses as well

>>4295278
>gonna need to stock up on used cameras for starts
kk right will have to look into that

>>4295224
Where do I find the shop shop?

>>4295224
this
then realize that someone wanted to get rid of a used camera shop for a reason
the at least try to combine selling used cameras with something lethally unexciting, but at least giving you some guaranteed traffic (unlike cameras), like selling used smartphones

>>4295219
start with some fucking sentence structure, god damn.

>>4295339
opie is looking for shops that sell shops

I've considered this after my local used camera shop closed down many years ago. Then I realised it because no one in this town is interested in shitty film cameras older than them and their associated crappy lenses. I also wouldn't want to have to deal with that stuff either. So if I did have a shop it would only be selling stuff from the last 20 years or so, I'd be constantly turning people away trying to get rid of their junk, and my stock value would be like ten times higher than the previous shop and I don't have a hundred grand to get the shop and stock it up.

>>4295219
start with ebay to see if people are willing to buy from you and you get used to the process of fulfilling orders

>>4295446
>ebay
>13.25% on most sales
I can hear the handrubbing from here

>>4295445
most of the local places here eventually turned into something else. The film shop here does do gear, but it's clear that developing/scanning film is where their focus is now. The camera store that is around me, started doing repairs then slowly stopped buying/selling gear altogether, now all they do is repairs and cleaning. They do 'consignment' now meaning they host gear for sale for you and take a cut. But at that point I might as well list it on ebay which has a much wider reach.

I get the impression that running a store front in 2024 just doesn't make sense if all your doing is buying and selling gear. You won't be able to compete with online pricing and your customer base is just local people.

>>4295459
That's pretty much what this store used to do too. They wouldn't actually buy stuff off you, just put it on display and then if it sold they contact you and then take their cut. They had so much shit that would sit there for months if not years, cheap junk that the owner probably forgot about in the end. But yeah it's not going to work now with more modern and expensive gear. Someone's not going to give me their A7R V in hopes that it might sell in a month or two when they can slap on Ebay and have it gone in less than a week. Also there's a CEX in town too that'll buy shit from people and give them the cash straight away.

They also did printing and I think scanning, no dev I don't think but there was another place nearby that would do that. Cleaning and repairs too.

Think I'm going to open up a photography studio that specializes in portraits of photographers. Like you have to be an actual photographer to be a customer. Would have to bring camera as evidence, minimum a7iii, so no fujishit larpers or mft allowed.

>>4295340
yes that's why I said what, the hell he is on about but no word of a lie I'd like to know where one would find such a place

>>4295516
You need to ask the shop shop shops where they sell their shop, duh.

>>4295459
>I get the impression that running a store front in 2024 just doesn't make sense if all your doing is buying and selling gear.
every local store owner I know has also an online store. you can't survive with local only nowadays because you're not a gatekeeper anymore. before the internet people had to go to you to get their stuff. now they can just order online.

>>4295458
in europe it's 0%. they only want some low listing fee of a few cents

There’s absolutely no need to go bricks and mortar for a business like this in current year. You could operate it with near-0 overheads or responsibility from home/online, but you want a shopfront - why?

The person in this thread complaining about eBay fees is a retard who doesn’t realise how much businesses pay for advertising and payment processing. Most would happily pay 13% or more for the exposure eBay provides. You start there and convert buyers to your own website with cards, flyers and promo codes, simultaneously gaming social media for further exposure.

>>4295632
In Europe eBay is indeed 0%. As in - it's irrelevant. Nobody cares about eBay here.

>>4295664
I sell on eBay Australia and send ~10 parcels per week to Europe. Germany is also the 3rd biggest eBay market in the world.

>>4295654
Faggot i’m not paying even 1% to ebay. Go larp as someone who knows what they are doing in a kys thread or something, lol.

>>4295690
Okay, spend 1-3% for payment/card processing and 50% of your revenue on a lease, other bills and advertising, then.

>Go larp as someone who knows what they are doing
If you'd caught me 5 years ago I'd have shared screenshots from my accounting software, but I give less of a fuck these days. You have a shitty attitude and you're not going to make it.

>>4295800
Customers have the luxury of paying cash IRL with 0% processing or they can pay the processing fee.
>50% revenue bills
lol

>more larping
you never made it not taking advice from larper

>>4295809
>paying cash IRL with 0%
Good luck with that.

>>4295632
Hi, European here.
I got gypped about 20% when all was said and done.

>>4295219
damn i was actually there haha, it was somewhere in shinjuku? got a hotshoe attatchment for my konica and a 90mm lens there :3

>>4295219
>Used Cameras
okay, first of all - making it online is a good opportunity, small clothing brands are much more complex in production sense, it's relatively easy - make online shop, post stuff, get deals.You only problem is design and servicing the website, it's a clusterfuck, but If you have a nice deal with a designer or do it yourself I think you can manage

But there is more, what will make your shop stand out from other shops?
Service and deals are the first thing i'm thinking of.
What exact deals you will be providing for people?
Maybe camera servicing like installing Magic Lantern, lenses fixes and shit? Camera Film? Writing some kickass redpill articles from some /p/ threads with links to your website? Selling some really awkward and exotic stuff? Renting gear? Selling some great books for learning photography and composition, selling photo albums of the great photographs? I think just selling cameras will get you small and not so interested, but it's only my opinion.

Second - you need to get some PR/SMM other shit to get some clients, otherwise nobody knows you eve exist.

>>4296613
it's not a problem to have a local shop, because local scene is important too, but I don't know anything about it, it's too much context related, you need to understand that if camera shops closed some time ago it's not just because owner is not interested in cameras anymore, maybe there are no customers

>>4295219
My local camera shops owner died, they sold it to a young couple.
Lots of clamoring on about "servicing the community like the old owners" and all that jazz.
Turns out the old man wasnt making a profit just surviving off his profits made in the good ole days.

It shut down within a year.
Turns out paying MSRP for stuff which has a lower street price online or at best buy isnt a good strategy.
Turns out knocking 15% off a used items MSRP when I can buy it for 50% off online is not a good strategy.

Everyone used the store as a way to figure out what glass they want, then go and buy it elsewhere for far cheaper.
Thats what your store will be. A rental storefront where you dont make money.

This is the same problem running shoe stores have.
My local running shoe stores charge a like $40 "fitting fee" if you try on shoes and dont purchase them there.

>>4296617
How 2 solve:
Offer an on-site development service.
Also do mail-ins.
Boom, infinite profit cus that shit is rare nowadays.
And dont keep stock unless you're basically a collector yourself.

coffee shop in the front, camera shop in the back
make it as trendy and histery as possible because that's the type of audience that even uses and is willing to by cameras these days. make it a local thing by having competitions and seminars and things like that
down side: gays, pretentious hipsters, and uni fags

>>4295224
this but also make tiktok slop glorifying the shit out of the cameras you have in-stock. also look into shipping capabilities so its not just a local shithole only type of place.

I live in one of the biggest urban sprawls in this country and there's not even a NEW camera shop that has a large selection within 35 miles of me. There's one closer but they don't have a ton of stuff. I'm not sure that's really a good business move. Refurbishing broken shit and selling at a profit is probably a better business

Nice idea, I wish I had one locally desu. How will you compete with international used marketplaces like MPB for example?

>>4311480
Not him but I imagine the only way a shop like this will survive in current day is to offer socialization, like meeting, workshops, competitions ect. It's the only thing that the internet can't do

>>4297683
desu yeah. Nobody wants to spend money on old outdated technology. I have a camera i got as a graduation present literally ten years ago and i only used it a couple times. Sad, but, my iphone is probably better now. I do like the pictures it took but idk why i would lug around a big huge camera when I already have my phone. I do like my polaroid but i dont have friends so i never use it lmao


Camera Tripods

Is the Peak Design Travel Tripod really the best lightweight compact tripod that still gets the job done?
>pic related

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There are better lightweight ones but for compactness sure.

>>4298924
as everything meme design you are paying extra for the brand

I bought one last autumn and have been borrowing my friends Ulanzi for about a year before that.

So they are absolutely a hassle to use (too heavy for 35 mm and too light for medium format) however for the traveling film photographer where you absolutely need to keep the camera steady it's kind of a necessity. Think hard on how much you really need one because I promise you you will leave it at home if you possibly can.

Still I ended up going with the peak design version since it is much more serviceable out in the field. The ulanzi is better in many ways including the head, but it's just not as compact and not as easy to clean, with lots of fiddly bits that are kind of cool when you get them but become a hassle once and water and dirt get in between em.

I would also occasionally borrow a friend's manfrotto that he uses for studio work. But that thing is just to cumbersome for hiking.

Anyway my advice is don't get a tripod unless you NEED one.

>>4298924
>best
>legs thinner than your pinky
its a over priced meme

>>4298978
>best
>lightweight compact tripod
Moron

>>4298979
they exist and arent meme tripods

>>4298924
Just get a camera with IBIS old man

I'm not a fan of it, I got one but I don't like the twisting to lock and unlock. Would really prefer a lever.

>>4299101
What would you recommend instead?

Flimsiest I'd ever consider going is this style. I'm sure the even smaller/lighter ones technically can be serviceable, it gets to a point where it's barely a tripod and you wonder why you bother to bring it at all.

>>4298979
here you go, 40mm/32mm legs, and weighs as much as the aluminum peak design

>>4299183
jeez talk about overpaying, why didn't you order through their ali shopfront

>>4299208
you can't you retard, its not there. also its a lot more expensive through their US website.

>>4298924
I had a long think about this two years ago, my choice was the current manfrotto be free, in carbon

>>4299267
I get the side loop of my backpack between the legs, it's secure, easy to carry, and light enough to forget it once it's there

>>4299267
>>4299268
Do you use the manfrotto mount? All of my gear is for arca swiss and it would suck to have to get new stuff. Arca Swiss feels very solid I've never had a complaint about it.

>>4298924
If your tripod is light enough to hold with one hand, it's not heavy enough to keep your camera still outdoors

>>4299303
I'm using it but I don't love it, however I don't have another head/mount so it's a bit of a moot issue for me now

It works well enough, but I'm sure Arca Swiss is tighter

I could never pay $600 for a tripod that doesn't come standard with arca-swiss, not to mention the last section of the Weak Design is so flimsy you might as well just not extend it. It seems like Weak Design is still keeping prices high to subsidize all the free/discounted tripods they gave to youtubers to shill their carbon fiber toothpick

>>4299524
The plate is arca compatible, if you remove the pins from the head then that will be too.

>>4299524
it is standard arca compatible

>>4299607
Lmfao my $50 chinese “panorama head” fits arca plates perfectly whaddafuck

>>4299609
it looks like the quick release mechanism fucks up the angle on one side if the arca plate doesn't perfectly match the weak design plate size

So I'm near the beginning of my photography journey and I have finally realized I need a tripod so I can take better pictures of insects on flowers and on the ground. I loathe the idea of buying a tripod manufactured in China and would really prefer if it was made in the USA.

Is Colorado Tripod the best option? (picrel)

Also looking for info on geared vs monoball mount.

>>4299628
Based chink hater
If you want good workmanship just buy a Really Right Stuff tripod and cry once

>>4299628
Gitzo Explorer and an Arca p0 has been a great combo for me, gets low and points down very easy. Not cheap though, and you'll need to either find the tripod secondhand, or buy a chinese knockoff, as they no longer make it.

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>>4299628
Check out three legged thing for some options from UK, also very solid.

>>4299845
>Check out three legged thing for some options from UK
they're just chinkshit with tacky branding. from their own website:
>We design and engineer all of our products in the United Kingdom, and seek ways to innovate in order to create products that photographers love and want to use in their daily workflows.
Which is a classic way of saying, made in China.

>>4299662
Did I do it right?

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>>4299662
>Really Right Stuff
I recommend checking out ProMediaGear. the RRS is owned by (((mormons)))

>>4299870
show me how laughably thin the last leg of the tripod is. use a pencil or pen for comparision

>Under main or sub tripod(<1.6m) > leofoto or whatever the fuck that grab your attention. just don't go under 200usd unless it's a mini tripod (like like leofoto MT-03)
>Main tripod > Gitzo

>sub ball head > Leofoto EB-36
>Main ball head > Makins or if you have more money Arca swess.

>>4298924
I like that brand but it's cringe as a French man because PD means FAGGOT in french so I wouldn't buy it

>>4298924
To you meme lord large format guys that may be in the thread, what sorta tripod setup you working with? I recently acquired a Fuji gx680 and while it’s only 6x8 mf, the bulk and size of the thing is more like a 4x5 camera. My current 3leggedthing tripod whimpered just at the sight of it. Picrel left most one if you’ve never seen one lol

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>>4301448
a systematic series 5 tripod, from anyone, from gitzo to leofoto. you can get LM-404CLs on ebay for $300, they have 40mm legs at the largest and go up to 84" tall. I have a LM-402C for use with a gimbal mounted 500 f/5.6 and am happy with it.

>>4301450
I wonder if a pan and tilt head like in that photo would be the way to go. A ball head seems too fiddly for this size of camera. I guess it’s just about getting thicker legs innit. My current tripod is good for travel but even my eos r and sigma 105/1.4 can wobble if the wind is strong enough. Fuckin unexpected extra costs eh

>>4301451
that or a geared head if you can afford an arca swiss cube

>>4301451
>>4301452
or something like, which i think leofoto also makes a knock off of
https://www.acratech.net/tripod-hea<wbr>ds/long-lens-heads/long-lens-head/

>>4301453
>over 400 bucks
>no mention of payload or weight rating other than “a 600/4, promise!”
Kinda sus

>>4301463
acratech makes nice heads, I have their GP and it was even more. weight ratings are retarded and are highly dependent on having the load centered on the head isnt always possible. 600 f/4s are usually as big as they come unless they're talking about meme lenses like Sigma's 200-500 f/2.8. A 600 f/4G is 5kg which is more than your fuji.

>>4301463
>>4301467
also if you think $400 is expensive, the acra swiss c1 gp is over 2000 euros

>>4301468
After tax it’s over 3000 Trudeau coins. Thing looks like 100% metallic sex though, I want it. Watched some videos and it seems like the ultimate tripod head.

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>>4298924
I got one on a black Friday special two years ago.

I honestly have little complaints about it aside from using really heavy setups (I use it for video too, camera + 70-200 + v-mount + monitor).

For photography though, it's nice. BUT, I think it's too short in max length, and it's annoying the way the head only lets you shoot vertical in one specific spot.

>>4301450
>50kg tripod
Oh yeah, now we're making gainz.

>>4298924
The PD is the most compact. The ulanzi one is close, pretty damn good and half the price

>>4299962
That’s one of the selling points of the tripod anon. It’s compact.

>>4301954
>selling points
you've never used a tripod if you dont understand why long pencil thin legs are a terrible idea.

>>4301724
>ulanzi one is close
which one?
The Zero Y?
The F38?

I have 300 bucks and would like to get a lightweight travel tripod.

>>4302042
Only the head is different
zero y is standard arca compatible clamp
f38 is their proprietary quick release
But a simple google search would have gotten you that answer you lazy motherfucker

What do you guys think about Benro tripod heads? Looking to get the IB1

>>4302015
You’re responding to my photo. You don’t own a travel tripod, or a studio stand, or anything nice in between.

Manfrotto Element Traveller (small) in carbon fibre was my choice. works well for my gripped a7iii and i can (sometimes) put my RZ67 on it

>>4302042
Zero y for sure. The f38 just uses their own mount for some stupid reason. Zeri y is Arca Swiss, weighs very little and is quite compact.

>>4302155
>travel tripod
I have a leofoto lm-402c

>studio stand
robus 5570

both have leveling bowls, acratech gp ball heads and benro geared head.

you still dont understand why the peak design is a joke of a tripod for people who dont know how tripods work

>>4302206
You have no idea what a studio stand even is, lol.

>>4302206
that's not a studio tripod lol

on the other hand what's the fixation on arca swiss compatible plates?
it's not like I can afford a 2000€ gear head anyways

>>4302261
>what's the fixation on arca swiss compatible plates?
That's a bit of a dumb question. Obviously it's nice to have stuff that is interchangeable, not having to swap out plates. Many types of plates come standard in arca fitment and often aren't available in anything else, like L brackets. Some lens collars even have the dovetails cut into them so you don't need to stick an additional plate on them.

How is the Smallrig AP-01? Anyone has it?

>>4302652
>flip locks with no hex adjustments
no

>>4302705
never had problems with them on any of my 3 cheap manfrottos

>>4302261
>on the other hand what's the fixation on arca swiss compatible plates?
Fucking everything uses them except $35 best buy tripods? That's like asking what's the obsession with 1/4 bolts

>>4302716
this being thread mostly about travel tripods
my manfrottos don't use them
and to be honest I've never understood the fixation either
small quick release plates are awesome

>>4302720
nobody gives a shity about your shitty manfrottos

>>4302726
dunno about that anon
the Made in Italy ones are pretty nice

>>4302728
>the Made in Italy ones are pretty nice
Did they stop making tripods in Italy?
I have a Mf 190GO Carbon tripod made back in 2016. Happy to own this.

>>4302731
not all of them were always made in Italy
only the mid to high end stuff was

>>4302261
It’s not a fixation it’s just industry standard

>>4301468
The Linhof equivalent is even more expensive.

>>4301471
I have it. It really is amazing, but not sure if it's €2000 amazing.

>>4299628
>no chinese manufacture
You're shit out of luck then

>>4302759
>You're shit out of luck then
not him but why? I only buy things made in Europe. Try to. But there are always options to buy stuff which America or not cursed Asia made (India and Chaina are cursed if you would ask), and it doesn't do my life harder.

>>4302966
Made in america is a meaningless label. 90% of stuff "made in america" has just had its final assembly done in america. Western labour is way too expensive for anything else

>>4303000
nice digits
but not how it works in Europe

>>4303000
>Made in america is a meaningless label. 90% of stuff "made in america" has just had its final assembly done in america. Western labour is way too expensive for anything else
This is the way how complex things made (this is also the reason why chinks want to grab Taiwan). The last country that tried to use parts made exclusively inside the border died in 1991 (thank God)

>>4298924
I have a 3 legged thing Corey and I really like it. It's like you take one of those cheap ass compact folding tripods you see all over Amazon...then make it actually nice. I don't see any reason to upgrade basically ever.

>>4303000
Bike industry is a good example of this. We can buy frames made in Asia exactly to our materials & processes specs without our own QC/QA people overseeing every step, finished, decaled and shipped directly to our shops for $35. Just that frames metal tubing, that very same tube set, costs us $300 to buy in this countrry, and we still have to build a frame out of it and finish it. We have a cottage industry of botique builders in the us that build a frame with the same level of quality that China puts into their frames, but when you have to pay for the american cost of living for even one employee in a sole proprietorship, like Chris Chance for instance, that Fat Chance frame retails for $3000+ by the time it makes it on to the market. The american economic system just cant compete against chinas, theres no way around it. As long as you want the owner class to make as much $ as possible, the costs of everything are maximized to that end and every otter country on earth becomes a better option to do business with.

>>4303000
Western labour is too expensive for the culture of cyclical upgrades, but if people could go back to putting up with the concept of not having every toy imaginable RIGHT NOW and having the best one RIGHT NOW it would be fine.

Like paying an extra $400 for a bicycle - how many fucking bicycles do you buy?

If anything cameras, bikes, etc should be more expensive.

>>4303080
China is part of the american economic system. Our government has been purposefully propping them up and ensuring they stay cheap. We allow their industrial and economic espionage specifically because of the arrangement you stated: it allows american businesses to buy incomplete assemblies for less than they can make them as long as china is worse to live in than the US.

Modern china would not even exist as the strong class divide, genocidal, dog roasting regime it is without us. In 2000, there was an outcry about clinton fully normalizing and extending most favored nation status with them and ever since then china has gotten away with all of the exact same things our overlords say we need to hate and refuse to trade with russia for.

>>4303080
The fat chance retails for $3000 because when you can buy incomplete assemblies from a third world country where 70% of the population lives like iron age peasants, the literacy standard is artificially low, and intra-national migration controls are needed to keep the cardboard cities looking nice, making your own thing becomes a premium/prestige thing like buying clothes but italian. It's not a $3000 frame because americans can not make bikes cheaper than that. It's a $3000 frame because chris chance is greedy and wants even more money, and if he only wanted some money, he would max out his profit margins by supporting china.

This is OUR system, not theirs. We invented it. We invented it before we even did trade with china, when importers systematically gutted and destroyed the entire western camera industry via trade agreements with japan, which was china-like at the time, but with less animal cruelty and more pedophilia (they weren't forced to cut it out until the most recent olympics)

Speaking of Manfrotto.
Thoughts on the befree travel tripods?
They sometimes popup on ebay for cheap.

Anyone else really like these cheap heads where turning the handle adjusts the tilt damping? Makes adjustments really quick. Just wish there was a slightly beefier model with another panaromic adjustment on top so it would be possible to also use it with l-brackets.

Basically if this thing had a pano arca plate on top then it would be perfect. just sucks that video oriented heads in general are incompatible with l-brackets without an additional plate for the 90 degree adjustment.

Hmm, I think I mostly found what I was looking for. Just wish it didn't have the horizon leveling shit so the whole thing could be a bit more compact, and having the whole thing being supported on one side instead of both sides like the Vanguard seems a bit less stable.

>>4302652
I have it. It's probably not as sturdy as some high dollar tripods but it works great for me. I use it with a sigma 150-600 and r6

gents, I'm looking for a gimbal head except that it MUST NOT be "arca-compatible".

so far I've found the manfrotto 393. anything else?

>>4303753
>MUST NOT be "arca-compatible".
why

>manfrotto 393.
it looks laughably bad

>>4303783
manfrotto shill is just baiting for replies. the 393 is basically a proprietary arca plate.

>>4303431
is it any good?
what's a nice aliexpress tripod?
preferably carbon one

>>4299183
it's also 1/4 the max height at best lol

>>4299267
Such a SHIT tripod desu
There are really worlds between this and a proper Gitzo (or even a run off the mill Leofoto)
But GODAMMIT it is a sexy design

>>4299628
>Is Colorado Tripod the best option? (picrel)
Sure, if it's ever going to ship lol
They've been out of stock for four years now

>>4304856
since no one replied I've bought one
it looks surprisingly good
hope the build quality is nice also but in order to figure that out I'll have to wait

>>4305507
It's not very suited for portrait work tho.
And the memeswiss mounting system is not very nice. I would rather have a quick mount solution.
Buying this for $239 MSRP would be retarded.
With a discount it's a nice looking tripod.

>>4305508
>Smallrig AP-100
I mean the head looks nice but the spider looks shit. And by shit I just mean the same as every other generic chinese tripod. Keep an allen handy because you'll be retightening the leg hinges until you die.
Get an L-bracket for your camera to shot portraits; this is the tru beauty of arca swiss.

>>4305584
>i'm a soiboi who doesnt know what thread locking compound is

>>4305508
>I would rather have a quick mount solution
How much quicker than lever-lock do you actually need, anon, this autistic anti-arca thing you’ve been bringing up all thread is really odd desu. Seriously, what is realistically practically (as in not getting into counting milliseconds or some shit) faster than something like picrel?

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Noob here.<br>I have a cheap aluminum tripod with a three-way head. Am I retarded for not seeing the benefit of a ball head? I tried one in-store, seems way more fiddly than just twisting my wrist to unlock tilt, smoothly aiming at the composition, and then tightening down with another twist of the wrist.

>>4305639
Ball heads suck. Three-way is better. IMO.

>>4305584
I don't think that will happen but the correct hex key is inside the central leg as part of the bag hook

>get this bulky accessory for your travel tripod
no thanks
>>4305611
>here put this additional plate on your travel tripod increasing the weight and preventing it from fitting inside the bag
thanks for the input anon

>>4305639
Well if your head is fully locked down then you've got three knobs to twist, compared to one or two with a ball head

>>4305660
>here put this additional plate on your travel tripod
He's talking about the head that's already on the tripod. You twist that ring to lock the plate in place right? That's just as quick as flipping a lever, and as he said you don't need it to be any quicker.

>get this bulky accessory for your travel tripod
Do you actually know what an L bracket is? It attaches and stays on the camera. It does make the body a little wider but barely.

>>4305639
>>4305640
>>4305669
I like a good ball head with an adjustable ring. Turn the ring one way and it’s was able adjustable to move your camera where you want then turn the other way to lock. If you want to constantly adjust it you can turn the ring to a point in the middle and it will stay where you move it while not being too stiff to easily move. Best system out there IMO.

>>4303783
>why
I hate anything arca-swiss with a raging passion, simple as
>it looks laughably bad
how so? serious question, never had a gimbal before. is it the U-shaped frame?

>>4304076
>manfrotto shill is just baiting for replies
gas yourself, jew. I use velbon and slik supports
>the 393 is basically a proprietary arca plate
no the fuck it isn't. it uses manfrotto's Q5/500/501/503 or whatever it's really called, which has a 50mm wide plate that slides in one way only. arca uses a 38mm plate and can be installed a number of ways

>>4306042
>I hate anything arca-swiss with a raging passion, simple as
Take a good look, anons, this is the kind of autistic spergatron that you’re out here asking for critique and advice kek

>>4306042
>how so?
its a couple shitty pieces of stamped sheet metal and a bushing. it is laughably bad and over priced for what it is. it is the very definition of chinkshit. what the fuck are you even putting on a gimbal when you're poor enough that the manfrotto is even an option?

>I hate anything arca-swiss with a raging passion, simple as
so you're a sperg who doesnt like one dove tail profile and would rather use a different profile only one small irrelevant company uses?

>50mm wide plate
arca is fine for a 600 f/4 and full sized rifles, what the fuck are you mounting which this dovetail wouldnt work for.

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>>4306085
and it doesnt even fold up

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>>4306085
>calls manfrotto "chinkshit"
>using leofoto
ngmi

>>4306093
the leofoto is the most innovative gimbal out there. the only other folding gimbal is from benro, and the leofoto is smaller and half a kilo lighter. also it costs more than 50% more than the chinkshit manfroto. the manfroto is so terribad that tightening the pan knob doesnt even stop it from rotating. just try reading the cope in their reviews. but keep on pretending that the manfrotto is better because its label says it is "Inspired by FERRARI"

>>4306097
>tightening the pan knob doesnt even stop it from rotating
not a problem
>pretending that the manfrotto is better
I don't care that it's "better" or "worse" than chinkshit leofoto or winberley or whatever. I care that it doesn't have a fucking "arca-compatible" mounting

>>4306114
>I care that it doesn't have a fucking "arca-compatible" mounting
And yet you haven't given a legitimate reason

>>4306118
Big Manfrotto must be trolling us, only explanation. Any other quick release system will work similar to arca so I really don’t understand what that regard is even looking for. Just screw the camera directly to the stud o guess

>>4306125
that or a boomer who thinks this 1970s era design is the peak of gimbal technology

>>4305679
why would I want to put a huge ass L bracket on my OM-4Ti?
why would I want to make the smallest full featured film slr bigger?
makes no sense

>>4306527
>smallest full featured film SLR
Its not a minolta dynax 5 anon

>>4306562
the Pentax *ist is even smaller
127.0x87.0x60.5mm
vs
122.0x84.0x63.5mm
no idea if any of these are smaller with a lens included

but let me clarify
>why would I want to make the smallest sovl full featured manual film slr any bigger?

>>4306563
>"sovl"
>its just manual focus and rectangular
Maybe if you bought an arca compatible L bracket you would find that it's easy to put on the camera and take back off for tripod shooting

>>4306564
Maybe if you've ever used a proper Made In Italy Manfrotto quickmount tripod you would understand that having only one single landscape position is a bad tripod design and that having to twist a metal ring several times to unmount the "quick" release plate is annoying.

Other than that it's an ok tripod but buying it for the full MSRP would be retarded.
Too bad the Ulanzi isn't like 100€ cheaper. Would be a no-brainer.

>>4306565
are you retarded? you do realize levers for arca mounts exist?

>>4306569
thank you for confirming you're retarded

>>4298924
>>4298925
>>4298969
Which tripod height is the best for standard?

>>4306575
the higher the tripod
the more useless it is
act accordingly

>>4306575
those are all laughably short. center columns are terrible, two segment ones even more so. also lol at 5'7" being the male model height

>>4305584
the head looks like absolute shit
it doesn't even have a case for the ball

>>4306097
>the only other folding gimbal is from benro
RRS has a two-piece gimbal that is quickly diassembled and folds up much smaller
Fotopro has two Gimbals that can be tilted all the way down until they align with the tripod
The Leofoto solution doesn't really look better in comparison

>>4306575
>Smallrig tripods
Also nice manlet for scale

>>4306892
>it doesn't even have a case for the ball
?

>>4306895
The cylindrical metal frame that holds the ball and allows you to adjust tension to control its movement

>>4306898
but it does have that?
you adjust the tension with the lever with "smallrig" on it

>>4306899
It looks like the frame is way too flimsy to hold such a large ball
There's a reason every proper brand uses a twist knob (or at least offers them alongside levers)
Stability is largely a function of ball head height and ball diameter to case diameter ratio
Half of the smallrig ball sits outside whatever little case this ball head has

>>4306901
can't say how it will hold up with time
but without the center column at max extension it's pretty solid
the bonus is that there aren't any knobs protruding away from the tripod (which is what most brands do and what I dislike on a travel tripod)

>>4306903
>the bonus is that there aren't any knobs protruding away from the tripod (which is what most brands do and what I dislike on a travel tripod)
Ah well, you do you
If you ever get the chance to at a store, though, just ask them if you can hold and try one of their proper tripods for 5 min
You'll feel the difference

>>4306893
>RRS has a two-piece gimbal that is quickly diassembled and folds up much smaller
it isnt smaller and it weighs almost twice as much, 0.85 vs 1.46kg

> Fotopro has two Gimbals
again, 1.3kg. try actually looking at the specs next time

>>4306901
>Half of the smallrig ball sits outside whatever little case this ball head has
most of the case doesnt act as a bearing surface so it doesnt necessarily matter

>>4306906
>most of the case doesnt act as a bearing surface so it doesnt necessarily matter
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/20<wbr>13/04/how-a-ballhead-works/

>>4306905
as I've stated multiple times when on discount it's probably a nice travel tripod all things considered
remember I've bought it for around 120€ cheaper than the F38 Ulanzi (comparing this tripod bought inside the EU with 2 year warranty vs Ulanzi shipped from China)
especially if you wanna avoid any knobs protruding away from it or having to rotate the legs 180° from the storage position or any strange colours and so on

are the more expensive tripods nicer? yes
would I spend twice as much on a travel tripod? no

So far I've only shot a single day with the tripod. With the 300mm f/4.5 and the OM-4Ti mounted. It was an ok experience even in a very windy (up to 40m/s gusts of wind) weather.

>>4298924
I have one, also bought ulanzi one. The PD is still new in box, been like this for months.

The PD cost was far more than ulanzi for the price. Though PD do have a quicker extending ability than ulanzi and also the build will be better. Messed up some photos from Norway as the cameras weight pulled down on the QD plate during a long exposure. Have now thread-locked the plate into the tripod thread to help stop this. The lock mechanism and the tilt system on the PD is so-so. Needs to be re-designed imo.

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>>4306916
>the knobs stick out too much
> you have to spend half a second to rotate the legs upright
>the ball cup is picometers too small
>yap yap yap
What an autistic set of complaints I s2g, this websight never ceases to amaze.

Anybody here use one of these chink arca cube knockoffs? I’m thinking of getting one but even 300 still seems a bit steep.

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>>4307194
Yes that was in fact the reaction the autismo turbo sped in this thread made me have, I see you understand as well

>>4307167
leofoto is a decent chink brand, i wouldn't hesitate

>>4307167
that isnt an arca cube knock off. the cubes as their name implies are cubes. that is one of arca's lesser geared heads

New kino just dropped. Did you ever want to use your tripod as... HIKING STICKS?

>>4307673
Anon monopods are nothing new don’t fall for chinkoid marketing nonsense

>>4299303
Manfrotto MSQ6T, works on other heads than just the ones they list. I have one on a MHXPRO-BHQ2

>>4307673
It's nothing new, solutions using poles existed for years. The problem is, my two poles are already used as supports for my tent's structure, pic related. Would work for taking pictures during the day, for which I don't really need a tripod anyway, but not for milky way photography.
I've yet to find a regular tripod that fits my needs. The only time I need one is when I'm hiking, for which I do multi-days hikes in one go and where I can't justify wasting a full 1Kg on a piece of metal. Especially not when I cut down every little gram to only keep what matters, even on food and water to the point of it being dangerous. As a cope I simply use a shitty 30cm gorillapod weighting less than 200g. I just have to find a rock somewhere for more elevation and it werks fine enough as long as it's not too windy. But it's still a pure cope solution.

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>>4312786
>Especially not when I cut down every little gram to only keep what matters, even on food and water to the point of it being dangerous.
There's either something wrong with your legs and back or you're doing that shit just for shits and giggles.