telecine from 16mm projector

I was given a 1940s projector and about 2 dozen reels of home movies from 1936-1960s. I want to try recording the picture from the wall instead of sending them in to be digitized (about $1300 for all)
Two issues: the projector has a variable speed knob so there’s no way of knowing what speed it’s running at (fps)
Second: I don’t know what the frame rate is of the captured film, did home portable 16mm cameras have a standard rate?

When I try to capture with my video camera I get rolling bars and blurred frames because the recording frame rate (I set it to 1/30) is out of sync with the projector. Anyone have any advice?

>>4310992
If your phone can do 120fps video capture do test recordings of projected film, playback footage at 30 fps and calculate framerate by counting frames lol
Should be able to dial it in that way?

>>4310992
buy a small rearscreen projector/build your own from the material and record it that way. DIY telecine.

>telecine
the fuck
is it the 1990s?
did I travel back in time??

either buy a dedicated scanner or jerryrig some DSLR scanning setup or something
but whatever you do DO NOT telecine

fucking zoomers

>>4311150
16mm scanning is expensive as hell bro. I told you I was quoted $1300 for the whole set, and it’s not even my home movies. But most of the stuff was shot on Kodachrome so it looks beautiful and I want to preserve what I can before vinegar syndrome kicks in

>>4311204
Kodak Slide N Scan is 180 bucks
IT8 Kodachrome target is another 50 if you want true to life colours

this being a photoboard I would assume OP has a dSLR or something and if he is at least a little bit resourceful then throwing together a scanning rig is easy
recording of off a screen when he can't even guarantee the framerate is going to be a pain in the ass
>>4311258
do you even know what a telecine is?
you are going to slaughter these reels
better to pay the 1300

>>4311264
Maybe telecine was the wrong word. I’m using a dslr to record the projection on the wall but there’s no way to sync frame rates when you don’t know what they are

>>4311275
yes, that's why you need to scan it then convert it to a normal, progressive video

>>4310992
>so there’s no way of knowing what speed it’s running at (fps)
its called a laser tachometer and a paint pen or some white tape. you can get it on amazon for like $20

>When I try to capture with my video camera I get rolling bars and blurred frames because the recording frame rate (I set it to 1/30) is out of sync with the projector. Anyone have any advice?
assuming your camera has anti-flicker features to keep it from catching flickering from indoor lighting, try running the projector at 60fps assuming you're in the US in hopes that it'll detect the projector flicker and AC lighting induced flicker

>>4311264
>scanning 16mm on a 35mm scanner
You would to manually line up every single frame which could take weeks to do a 3 minute video. I did a single scan in my 8100 opticfilm

>>4311289
60fps on the projector would destroy it lol. I figure old home cameras didn’t record past 30fps so the projector would hover somewhere around there

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>>4311312
going by the fact that 1300 USD is a lot he will have to spend the time
it's like that every time
either spend the money
or the time

>>4310994
That is actually a funny video.

>>4311319
For me yes, If they were my grandpas movies it would be worth my money but I got these second hand from an estate sale, I’m guessing he’s the kid in these videos. He was 95 when I saw him.
I’m mostly interested in the historical aspect of these, his parents were pretty wealthy in these videos and a lot of places they visit are very different now
>>4311322
After watching almost 4 hours of home movies I feel like this family would’ve been cool to live with lol

I do have some old reels that came bundled with some gear i bought and it would be cool to see what is on them.

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>>4311312
I didn't realize 16mm frames were so close to each other, I guess it's nice that almost no film gets wasted.
Epson Scan (with V600 and V850 that I have at least) can auto-detect frames from 35mm strips. I wonder if it would be smart enough to detect 16mm frames in the same mode. The 35mm holders hold either 3 or 4 6-frame 35mm strips, so best case you'd have 48 16mm frames per cycle. So at least 2 seconds of footage. But it's at least 5 minutes of work (setting up film strips and scanning itself) per holder, so not really viable. And you'd have to cut the film into strips, too, which sucks.
I wonder if you could build a dslr scanning rig, have reels attached on both sides of lightbox, and have RPi it something controlling motor attached to one of the reels, and automatically trigger the camera too. You could probably automate cropping and exporting the frames to prores or something too. Would be an involved but pretty cool project to do.

>>4311312
>60fps on the projector would destroy it lol.
stop being a pussy, other people have done it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB2<wbr>IfhYkIpI

>>4311322
Life looked good back then. This family has 16mm Kodachrome color video of LA, Florida, Hawaii, Gautemala, Mexico, Sweden and, South America all from the 1940-60s. That alone is pretty neat.


Anonymous

In the context of film data sheets what does "daylight" mean? How many kelvins? 5000K? 6000K?

>>4310854
>Vision3
oh yes the famous Kodak Vision3 photography film
everyone on /p/ and their grandma uses it

>>4310857
I bought 5 rolls from brooktree instead of spooling it myself

>>4310870
Based and lazy pilled

I always get 42-43 exposures out of those

How do you convert Log Exposure (lux-seconds) table to EV+/- dynamic range ?

>>4311188
Ok thanks
I'm trying to create exposure profiles in sekonic light meter for some film stocks i'm planing to use


Real Estate/Architecture

How overbaked is too overbaked?

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this is overbaked, and still not straight despite the attempt to line it up

>>4310663
great if you're going for the "playstation 1 JRPG background you see during a charge attack" sky there

>>4310734
I'm not sure it's crooked so much as the panorama distortion couldn't be fully correcred by keystone, left side looked pretty straight.

>>4310758
Different panorama perspective, was with a 50mm lens through the fencd

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>>4310759
Crop it just a little bit, from the right

>>4310663

If you are talking about real estate for business, you cannot really overbake. People likes popping 3D rendering crazy colors.
If you are talking about actual architecture photography, then colors and composition are really important and everything depends by the actual architectural culture of the place you are working on, but usually desaturated colors are apreciated.

BurtGummer

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How the hell do I fix distortions? This shit is impossible, some line is always bent or crooked
>>4312218
brutal, really cool

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>>4312326
Get a lens with less distortion. Or better yet, a tilt-shift lens.

>>4312330
t-s lenses are great but I shoot buildings way too rarely to justify getting one.
The pic I posted is a stitch of several shots taken from the same point with a telephoto lens

>>4312326
>How the hell do I fix distortions? This shit is impossible

I do it with a combination of shift lens, rectilinear lens (low distortion), and correction software like DXO viewpoint

>>4312336
>t-s lenses are great but I shoot buildings way too rarely to justify getting one.
What about a t-s girlfriend instead then?


2024 Japan on Film

Going to start dumping film scans from my recent trip to Japan that started in February. I've developed most my film, but I still have a handful of b&w rolls to develop. I'll post that stuff if this thread is still up by then.

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>>4311227
The grave crime of posting photos on a photography board

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>>4311231
I really like the light, but maybe a tad more contrast would help, it looks a bit raw
>>4311236
Very nice grey heron, love those birds
>>4311238
Wish this were in focus

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>>4311243
Thanks

There I missed focus a lot on that roll. Unfortunately. It was on-off heavy snow that day, had a lot of concern for the weather sealing in my old slr

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wow, imagine how nice this thread could have been if you hadnt just left your lazy ass on dumb fucking gaijin autopilot when deciding where to go...

>>4311270
Im open to hitting less touristy spots next time I go, if you have any suggestions

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>>4311279
Chinese tourist, who I met on the shinkansen, with some fujifilm camera

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I have been inspired to never take a film camera on an important trip

These would be so much cooler if you had an a7iii

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>>4311304
I brought an a7riii, but I never unpacked it.

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>>4311246
Very nice, I feel like there's a bit of imge that's left unexploited here though, maybe trying to edit it further can get you somewhere; we barely see the bird now unfortunately
>>4311247
baby
>>4311237
Amazing stuff going on there with the bird taking flight and the old man, but you're trying to show both and result in actually bringing our attention to neither
Maybe a 16:9 crop, or only focusing on the man and his smoller birb would have been beneficial
>>4311253
pretty good, light colours, well put in the frame; 7/10 would put on the second page of the papers
>>4311257
Love that one, though maybe I'd crop it in a bit, very good use of wide angle outside
>>4311259
Very cute, sharp, intemporal/10
>>4311261
Would like this more if it were black and white or normal colours, but it's very nice, not too much of the Shirakawa Go cliché and good lines
>>4311284
aaaaa the pain
>>4311292
Not bad, Moriyama style snap, with less contrast
>>4311307
If you get a choice between making the blurry subject blurier, or the clean text sharper, go for the text; it doesn't matter that you didn't focus closer to it, and now we have this barrier of out of focus details in the front that makes us look behind it, where there's unfortunately nothing much to see

Some good photos in there, good job Anon!
I like the vibes, I hope you had a good time exploring Japan and seeing Miyajima!
Hiroshima best prefecture

If I can give some advice, it's that sometimes I don't really know where to look, my eyes have a hard time latching on to the composition in your images; I like using the rule of thirds to give directions for the eye to follow, when I don't have an obious subject, such as a human

If you have more, do show!

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>>4311313
All great input, thanks anon. I do think my post processing is weak at the moment. I am still learning how to use lightroom, and my scanning setup is kind of jank. I find film a lot harder to edit to my liking than digital. Digital raw feels like a blank canvas is comparison. Unfortunately the digital shooting experience is less fun for me.

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>>4311313
Do you visit Japan often anon?

>>4311318
I can understand that, having a reliable scanner makes things way easier, but I find that starting fom something other than a blank canvas is nice too!

Here's how I edit my stuff, it takes 3 to 5 minutes per picture if I really get into it

For film I recommend creating a curve layer for your colours.
Move from R to G to B, playing with the settings, looking at specific things that depend a lot on these colours until they look right (or good)

Curve layer for light is a must to start, then I usually create one or two more curve layers which I inverse, so that I can "paint" light/shadows/contrast in specific spots

The Hue from Hue/saturation is also good sometimes, used very lighyly

Same for the color balance tool, very nice to quickly re-do the white balance from scratch

>>4311331
Not at all unfortunately, I went there twice, once for half a year, the second time for a couple of weeks
Took as many pictures as I could though, hey

>>4311409
These are super useful to quickly edit your picture too

Use the first dipper to choose the darkest point in the image, the middle one to choose a midpoint, and the last to choose a white point
Boom, you've just calibrated the picture (I like to use the middle one and mash the left click of my mouse on a shadowy area until the photo looks right, and that's usually a good start)

>>4311215
Those look so smooth especially for low light, what film and format?

>>4311411
And since you've already seen my autism, here's what it looks like on a finished edit

>>4311413
Am also interested in that gear!

>>4311413
I think its mostly how he edited his scans, or maybe even how he scanned them to begin with. There's a lot of smoothing, while a lot of lab scans apply sharpening that enhances the grain, and scan dry which makes it even worse.

>>4311416
Thanks for all the tips, actually really good info

>>4311413
Cinestill 800 35mm

I think the smoothness is a combo of my scanning setup and that I just screenshotted the jpegs with my phone to post. I can see the grains when zooming in on the original files, but it does feel less pronounced than typical lab scans.

Other gear info: Nikon FE2 with the 28mm 2.8 and 50mm 1.8 pancake. Most of the film I shot was kodak gold, lomo purple, and kentmere 100. I also shot two rolls of provia, and that was my introduction to slide film.

>>4311284
really fucked this one up. could have been good but u stuffed focus

>>4311551
I really need a diopter for my slr. When there aren't straight lines for me to use the split prism, I struggle to nail focus.

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>>4311233

There is something wrong with the color grading on the faces

>>4311215
why are they all so fucking noisy :(
>it's film
oh! :O

>vacation snaps
:|
>Vacation snaps, Japan
:o
>Vacation snaps, Japan, film
:O

>>4311246
An absolute mad man, shooting birds in flight with a film camera. I'm surprised the shots are actually mostly in focus.

>>4311235
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>>4312970
God I hate this place. No discussion of the actual photography but as soon as you rats see a black guy you lose your minds.
Whatever you can say about reddit at least they actually talk about the photos on their photo boards.

>>4312992
I like it.
Why's it so soft though?

>>4311278
Get on a random train. Ride it till the end. Walk around a bit. You're guaranteed to find something good to shoot. Especially when you hit small towns.

>>4313450
This is pretty much what I did. I only planned where my accommodation would be, otherwise I just went wherever I was feeling in the moment. I coughed up the money for the 21 day JR pass, so I wasn't afraid of detours. I took the longest route from takayama to kanazawa, and it was well worth it. It was hard to not hit the touristy spots at all as I was a first timer. I've been constantly day dreaming about going back. I really want to hit hokkaido in the summer and do some hiking/backpacking. Something about summitting a 10k in the morning, then going back down the mountain for ramen is super appealing.

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>>4313016
thx
shot at a 30th on accident, I expected a softer image desu

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I absolutely fucked my Zeiss Nettar by oiling the mechanism. Now it’s sluggish. How to I unfuck this?

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>>4311492
Dunk the entire thing in 99% iso alcohol and re-oil using the correct oil.

>>4311492
>I absolutely fucked my Zeiss Nettar by oiling the mechanism.
How did you apply the oil? Did you just ejaculate oil into the mechanism or what?
What made you want to oil it?
>How to I unfuck this?
Disassemble the whole thing very very carefully and clean the oil away. Reassemble using watch oil.

Sugar

>>4311492

The entire mechanism doesn't need to be oiled only parts of it. Apply some naptha or lighter fluid liberally in that area and try to work it.

The correct thing to do is to disassemble and clean in lighter fluid and lubricate.

>>4311849

This is incorrect many of these leaf shutters actually used molybdenum to lubricate them, watch oil or oil in general is too viscous and will slow the shutter mechanism down.

Anonymous

>>4311854
so just dump it in liqui moly
Fixed


Best Camera for Feet Photography

I plan on getting a camera for decent feet photography. Most of the images I see are very unprofessional and of much lower quality than they could be. It would also be ideal if I could record decent 4K video with this camera.

20240504 Becca Soles Yummy Hot Sexy Delicious Asian Feet.jpg

>>4311600
Well Tarantino is a firm believer in film, so I'd probably start there.

But on a serious note:
>decent... photography
>record decent 4K video
Easy, get yourself a Panasonic S1/S5/S5iiX

>>4311602
>Panasonic S1/S5/S5iiX
Damn. That's expensive. I'll get one of those when I start making more money. One of my dreams since I was 14 or 15 is to become a feet photographer and get to worship women's feet on the regular. It feels just as good as sex, but women will let you play with their feet for far less than their bodies.

>>4311603
The S1 and S5 are both around $1k used, which is a pretty reasonable entry price for the excellent quality you'll get. You won't be able to spend much less and get the quality video and stills you want and it'll be cheaper in the long run if you just save up more and buy the gear you want up front rather than settling for something sub-optimal to save a few bucks. Changing lens mounts is very expensive.

>One of my dreams since I was 14 or 15 is to become a feet photographer and get to worship women's feet on the regular
Some advice; do not use photography as a means to cheat your way into sex stuff. Women know immediate what you're trying to do and they will want nothing to do with you. If I were you, I would be open and up front that you want to shoot foot fetish pornography and bill it as such. Also just because you're shooting porn doesn't mean you get to be in it.

>>4311605
>Some advice; do not use photography as a means to cheat your way into sex stuff. Women know immediate what you're trying to do and they will want nothing to do with you.
My idea has been to just find women over the internet to let me take photos and videos of their feet and to gradually move up to having their feet sniffed and then having their feet slobbered all over. "May I please sniff your feet?" "May I please lick your feet?" My plan has even gone as far as to create a website that only shows clean images of women's feet with nothing naughty for the purpose of not freaking out any prospective clients. The primary website would show everything, including me slobbering all over their feet.

I created this website a few years ago, and it's still up. I got locked out accidentally, and I've been too lazy to try to regain access through the VPS provider. It used to be an https site, but it no longer is, but this should be an easy fix once I get back in.
http://footmodeling.xyz/

>>4311602
You'd choose s1 or s5 if want to get yourself crippled. Why not s5ii/x?

>>4311600
Look for high maximum magnification/close focusing wide angle lenses. You want to have the subject in focus, at least somewhat, but the feet should take up a lot of the frame. You don't want to go too wide as it'll be unflattering but anything above 50mm won't have that effect. dpreview has a lens search where you can plug in desired maximum magnification and filter by focal length. Modern lenses are better than ever at focusing closer and looking good so I'd go with a MILC body but you can get away with any major brand. Studio work is less demanding on bodies so truly just pick whatever you can afford that's not too old.

>>4311608
>You don't want to go too wide as it'll be unflattering but anything above 50mm won't have that effect.
I'm confused by this. I'm completely new to photography.

>>4311607
Because the contrast detect is fine for what OP wants to shoot, they are about 2/3rds of the price of those more expensive cameras, the video is going to be basically the same quality as far as a beginner is concerned and S1 is the camera I'd buy today if I wanted a hybrid camera. I love the body, I really wish it would have been successful and started a trend of DSLR style mirrorless bodies.

People like to pretend the autofocus is bad when it's not. Just because it doesn't keep with Sony/Canon doesn't mean it's bad. It's still better than most people will ever need. I have cameras with significantly worse auto focus systems and they are still more than good enough.

>>4311606
If you sound like a creep over the internet to me, women will definitely pick up on it. Develop a real interest in photography rather than using it as a way to get access to women, it will show and your plan will fall apart.

>>4311610
>Develop a real interest in photography rather than using it as a way to get access to women
I guarantee you I would do quite a bit of messing around before I would actually start paying women to let me take photos of their feet.

>>4311611
I suggest buying something cheap for like $200, get a standard zoom and practice until everything >>4311608 said makes sense, then you can start asking about what camera to get specifically for feet.

All $200 cameras are going to be the same as far as you'll be concerned in terms of quality, just go to MPB dot com and find one in your price range

>>4311600
get gud at AI, by the time you could build up a business with a lot of clients, foot modeling will be an all AI business, and the kind of women who currently can make money selling feet pics will have to get a real job

>first time visiting /p
>this thread right at the very top of the catty

>>4311600
I know one guy that kinda focused on feet, and now does a ton of teen modeling type shooting. His website now looks like senior portrait collages that include feet. I don't know how any parent would feel comfortable.
Starting out, he was doing paid shoots via modelmayhem and just grew from there.

>>4311654
People who like feet want real women's feet. If it's a real woman, then you know there's a chance you could meet her one day and get a chance to sniff her feet and slobber all over them for hours.

>>4311684
I NEED to know his website. I discovered this website that posts hot photos of teens around a year ago. It doesn't fit the definition of pornography, so it's perfectly legal. I imagine "subtle" images of feet would also not fit the definition of pornography, but so far, I haven't been able to find any websites featuring plenty of photos of teen feet.
https://www.free-photos.biz/
https://www.free-photos.biz/blog/
https://www.free-photos.biz/photogr<wbr>aphs/people/photos_of_girls

>>4311654
what would you rather watch;
1 a real video or real ariana grande getting fucked hard and enjoying it
2 fake AI video of cartoon ariana grande getting fucked

exactly... people want to see REAL WOMENS feet not some AI bullshit

>>4311684
>>4311791
https://www.stephanpartipilo.com/
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfol<wbr>io/3735515/497945

>>4311600
imagine the cheesy scent of those feet


I just shot an event for the first time

And all my photos are fucking garbage and I'm realizing my edits look like total shit I think because I subconsciously try to replicate the iphone HDR look.

What the fuck do I do? How do I get better at shooting in imperfect settings?

Did you not hand a flash?<br>Post some of them man

Get a flash and learn to use it. Get a fast prime and learn to use it. Mix the two modes as necessary. Don’t fight bad light. Use good light, and if there isn’t any, make your own.

Don’t cry about it, learn from your mistakes and do better next time. Make new mistakes. Learn from those too. Good luck, have fun, don’t worry too much, we all die at the end of the day and nothing matters, so just have fun and enjoy the trip.

>>4311081
I did but today was my literal first time shooting with a flash. I'm worried about posting any because i'll dox myself lol.

>>4311082
Unironically kind of helps thanks anon

>>4311085
Direct flash tends to look bad, but with glamorous people it can look good in a high contrast Terry Richardson kinda way. Usually I’d recommend bouncing the flash off the ceiling, or using a diffusion cup type attachment if it’s a dark ceiling. Make sure to leave your shutter open long enough to balance the flash exposure with ambient light.

Since you shot an event, presumably a paid gig, with brand new equipment — doesn’t help you much now, but don’t do that. Practice with the kit BEFORE turning up and acting professional. Your test shots don’t need to be amazing, take pics of your dog or a figurine or literally anything, but put your shit through its paces before a high pressure situation so you’re not panicking when you have to figure it out on the fly.

>>4311093
Terry Richardson look is a terrible choice for a new shooting a normie wedding. It’s highly unflattering lol, op gonna ruin some zoomette’s special day

>>4311078
Hey Anon, first of all stop shitting yourself. You have workable photos I guarantee you.
I recently did my first two paid photoshoots for a total of 400 euro dollars for both.
I had shit lighting twice, and had the displeasure of working with slow lenses and micro four thirds cameras.
I ended up with quite a lot of ugly grain in many of the photos and had to push up the exposure in a few of them, only worsening the problem.
I found you can get rid of the worst of the grain without too much effort.
If you have access to lightroom, use the AI denoise feature, set it to a strength of 15%. This achieves a good balance between getting rid of 90% of the grain, while not making people look like plastic goop.
I don't know what event you were shooting, but the following advice for editing probably applies.
When I sent in my draft edits, I was told that they were too stylized and contrasty. I then re-edited them minimally, which meant pretty much just tuning the white balance to be slightly warmer, boosting the whites a bit, and adding only a smidge of contrast. They didn't end up looking all that different to the jpegs that came out of the camera.
When I sent these new edits in, they were accepted immediately. Less was more in this case.
As long as the photos were relatively free of grain, and didn't look washed out, it was golden. I imagine the same may apply in your situation.
Good luck Anon. I hope you deliver good work.
Also, for shooting events, a telephoto lens works well, headshots and closeups seem to be well received.

>>4311085
It's insane if you're getting paid to shoot an event without knowing how to use flash. If not then you just went out and took bad pictures like everybody else, just try again brotha

Zach

>>4311078
Getting a photo is better than nothing. That moment of time is saved for your client to see at the least.

Anonymous

>>4311107
Like I said, usually bad. OP didn't say it was a wedding. Direct flash could look good at like, a fashion party, or club, when you process the photos correctly. But yeah, pointing the flash is almost never the way. I like direct flash if you can get the flash off camera, like holding it in your left hand and shooting with your right. Get some interesting shadows in there.

>>4311093
It wasn't paid but yeah you're right I should've been more practiced with my flash before going. Oh well, whoops.

>>4311107
>>4311344
Yeah it wasn't a wedding, it was a small local business group meeting...basically snacks/drinks/presentations/sociali<wbr>zing. I did try to use bounce flash but idk it wasn't turning out how I hoped.

>>4311126
Thanks anon, I appreciate your advice. I did have workable photos. I ended up delivering 48 edited photos after a little less than 2 hours of shooting. Is that light on photos? It feels a little light to be honest but I would not have been happy to deliver many of the photos outside of what I sent. The lady literally just downloaded my wetransfer so I'm hoping I get some feedback, good or bad lol.

>>4311138
Kek yeah I didn't get paid, thanks though anon

>>4311152

Zach, you gotta stop man. Go practice instead of giving highly unqualified advice in every thread.

Zach

>>4311513
Hey, those that can't do teach. That's what I heard about from film school. :P

Anonymous

>>4311515

The school that you barely scraped by with a D?

Zach

>>4311517
No I was talking about from a youtube filmmaking tutorial video.

Anonymous

>>4311078
converting the photos to black and white is the meme answer desu

>>4311529
I genuinely considered that but it was for a local business group so pretty corporate and I didn't want to send over photos that felt too ""poetic"", you know?

>>4311532
>local business group so pretty corporate
They will accept the shittiest of pictures, you're unironically completely safe. Shit could be out of focus and they would still be cool with it.

>>4311534
Yeah you right. I'm more disappointed in myself than anything, lol.

>>4311537
That's fine too, you'll improve from your fuckups.
Just don't worry much about this one.

>>4311512
48 is reasonable. I got about 38 very good shots on my first shoot (100 mediocre, 800 shite), and 44 (130 mediocre, 950 shite) on my second.
If it's going to be used on social media whoever you did the shots for isn't going to use every single one.

>>4311078
shoot more

You're being too harsh on yourself, nobody gives a shit about your pics they either want to see themselfs or see the subject they care about


Fujifilm has the most advanced AF technology

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/171506839589<wbr>8276.webm

wsg/thread/5539653#p5540323

Now say fuji's af is bad again

Oh it is with X-H2S latest firmware update which has released few days ago btw

>>4311170
that is literally so bad. the cope from slugs is getting unreal at this point. You know it's okay to admit that you just like the experience? It doesn't have to be the best for you to enjoy it.

what camera is this on?

wanted to buy a x100VI but not with this AF lol

>>4311170
I can do the same thing on my xperia, it's just the object tracking bugging out because you covered up the thing it was trying to track

>>4311171
Yeah, how is this impressive
>BOOM, HUMAN DETECTION (europoor accent)
>Takes like 3 seconds to focus
This has to be bait

i have a fujifilm x-s20 with the latest update and no, it fucking sucks. only now they added af modes from photo to video and the tracking will lose the tracking point as soon as it leaves the scene and wont even properly focus on the tracking point in lighting where it works fine in photo mode. face recognition will focus on back of people's heads and will try to look for faces specifically in poor lighting.

>>4311170
Is this a sarcasm thread

This is the same thing the nikon Z6 mk1 does, with the same speed and accuracy

I actually use a Z7II in DX mode for video and the autofocus is better than this

I really like my x100vi, but my A7III has a faster and more accurate focus.<br>Fooj is good but there are areas where it's nowhere near the best.

>>4311363
I dont understand how fuji managed to put the same awful 2012 autofocus in the x100vi given a simple prime lens to move around when there are 1" zoomy point and shoots with dead silent, lightning fast autofocus that are also much, much smaller than the x100vi.

>>4311369
No please explain

Like I get that sometimes there is an excuse. The nikon 26mm f2.8 needed a noisy autofocus motor so they could make it a few mm shorter than sony's 35mm f2.8 and make marketing claims about size and close focusing sharpness. It's designed somewhat like a phone lens as well with exotic elements. But the fuji lens is nothing special, it's actually a normal prime buried in the body. There's definitely room for a quieter, faster AF motor and they could have mogged their competition here.

>>4311170
But does it have cunnæ detection?

cANON

>>4311199
You'll be waiting until the X100X then.

Anonymous

>>4311373
nikon could have made the 26 quiet too. they're just cash strapped from putting aside money to buy RED.

Pros like myself use AF-S, you eye detect cry babies. :)

>>4311373
i was memeing on fuji, i agree with you, nothing to explain

>>4311177
>$2200 camera
Meanwhile the zf has literal magic snoy tier AF

kek fuji is such a scam. lower than pentax/olympus tier - at least they dont die from 20 minutes of light rain lol

>>4311170
Opening that link was shorter than the time it took for the camera to focus

>>4311363
>there are areas where it's nowhere near the best
let's see
>sensor
>af
>lens
>weathersealing
>build quality
>battery life
>single card slot
>availability
>price

>>4311521

>lens
There is something so satisfying about an all-metal build with a manual aperture ring. Why don't more manufacturers use manual apertures? The physical setting dials on the bodies too feel so nice to use.

my XF10 can't even AF-C, it just hunts back and forth and doesn't lock focus

>>4311522
Because it's been the ergonomic preference the majority for like, 40 years, to control aperture in a user-set increment using a dial on the grip.

>>4311544
+ Adding one or two tiny plastic dials on camera is much easier and cheaper than adding aperture ring on lens

>>4311522
Actually I could pass on the manual aperture ring, when I had a Fuji I just controlled it with the front dial. That being said having an iso and dedicated exposure comp dial was legitimately useful and should be on more cameras instead of just restricted to 'retro' cameras.

>>4311546
There was a period where people had both and people actually wanted the aperture ring gone because it would accidentally get bumped and it would make the controls confusing to have two aperture controls

Lenses without the aperture ring came out. Reception as positive. People chose the scroll wheel.

>>4311555
Sony actually has this layout. Front is aperture, rear left is shutter, rear right is exposure compensation, rear bottom can be mapped to ISO.

It's really annoying and preferable to at least map ISO to a button instead, because there's so many dials that inevitably one is easy to bump.

>>4311564

The fuji dials have a push button lock to prevent bumping. Do Sonys have the same?


If you're not buying a DSLR you're unironically paying more for inferior tech because you were dazzled by gimmicky bullshit you will never actually use

DSLR benefits:
>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution
>Has an actual depth of field preview so you can tell exactly what will be in focus, most mirrorless cameras stop after ~f/5.6
>off sensor phase detect leading to superior image quality
>larger, deeper grips
>more buttons
>lenses are mechanical focus
>glass has focus distance markings making it possible to get your shot in focus without even looking through the ovf
>manual primes are extremely compact
>have a built-in mirrorless mode anyway allowing for the only two real benefits of mirrorless, those being focus peaking and focus punch-in
>batteries last 2x-5x longer
>often have built in flash
>simple and well organized menu systems
>reliable weather sealing is the norm
>companies aren't ripping you off with paid firmware updates for features they purposefully left out during development
>almost instant start up times

But I will admit they have downsides such as:
>metering is slightly worse
>harder to know what long exposures will look like

This is just another instance of consumers being tricked into buying inferior tech just like Plasma TVs and LCDs. Plasma tvs were superior in every single performance metric but people bought lcds because they were cheaper and we have only just now started to recover from that loss in performance with OLEDS although Plasmas are still superior in many ways that simply cannot be reproduced by oled screens. Why are people so easy to trick?

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>>4311444
Nice quads, but I stopped reading after:

>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution

Because that tells me literally everything I need to know about the rest of the steaming paragraph you took the time to write out.

>>4311444
>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution
Resolution is limited by the fineness of the grain on the focussing screen. An EVF can zoom in and show much more detail
>Has an actual depth of field preview so you can tell exactly what will be in focus, most mirrorless cameras stop after ~f/5.6
DSLR finders have a rough approximation of depth of field, if you remember to press the DOF preview button, can actually see anything at smaller apertures, and usually don't show depth of field shallower than like f/2.8
>off sensor phase detect leading to superior image quality
And less accurate AF
>larger, deeper grips
>more buttons
Depends
>lenses are mechanical focus
Also depends, but correct in a lot of cases when it comes to native lenses. However you can use all of those DSLR lenses on mirrorless if it's such a big deal to you
>manual primes are extremely compact
More so with mirrorless
>have a built-in mirrorless mode anyway allowing for the only two real benefits of mirrorless, those being focus peaking and focus punch-in
If you're cool with using a shitty low res slow refresh rate screen with no shielding from the sun then sure, DSLRs are fantastic in live view
>reliable weather sealing is the norm
Considering the vast majority of DSLRs released have had little to no weather sealing, incorrect
>companies aren't ripping you off with paid firmware updates for features they purposefully left out during development
Because they just don't have those features available
>almost instant start up times
Mirrorless is no different

>>4311444
>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution
EVF also has a focus magnifier and digital night vision.
>Has an actual depth of field preview so you can tell exactly what will be in focus, most mirrorless cameras stop after ~f/5.6
Nikon cameras still have this.
>off sensor phase detect leading to superior image quality
Interpolating 2mp out of 40 does not have an observable effect on image quality.
>larger, deeper grips
People with arthritis do need more grip surface because exerting more force is not an option for them. Did you know most people don't have arthritis?
>more buttons
Yeah, because I totally miss the WB button in this age of cheap storage and fast computers, where only a fool or an instant delivery journalist snapshitter still shoots jpeg, and for those people AWB has gotten absurdly good, more accurate than manual WB.
>lenses are mechanical focus
These still exist. The focus motor is in the lens instead of the camera so if it burns out you don't lose autofocus on every single lens. Screw drive lenses often broken, btw. There are also fully manual lenses for true reliability.
>glass has focus distance markings making it possible to get your shot in focus without even looking through the ovf
These have never been accurate. Especially not the infinity stop.
>manual primes are extremely compact
More compact on mirrorless.

>>4311451
>batteries last 2x-5x longer
They actually don't! CIPA's tests are glorified screen runtime tests. Most DSLR users use the screen enough that it's negligible. Add on lens VR, or IBIS (if you're dumb enough to buy a pentax), and its even more even, sometimes worse for the DSLR.
>often have built in flash
Direct flash looks bad, built in flashes are too weak for bounce and drain the battery extremely quickly.
>simple and well organized menu systems
Haven't changed at all on canon/nikon - pentax DSLR menus are worse than sony mirrorless.
>reliable weather sealing is the norm
It's the norm NOW, but it wasn't always. Canon and nikon both made a lot of less-sealed/non-sealed lower end DSLRs - and canon has NEVER consistently weather sealed their lenses. Nor did Nikon! How sealed an F mount lens is a total crapshoot. It wasn't until mirrorless that pentax and olympus lost that advantage.
>companies aren't ripping you off with paid firmware updates for features they purposefully left out during development
Paid FW updates are for proprietary video codecs they have to pay just to include on the camera. Largely the fault of consoomers like YOU for demanding muh heckin applel prores.
>almost instant start up times
It's a crapshoot that's not in favor of any system

>Is a TV autist
Yeah figures, most unintelligent consoomers are.

and here are some pictures taken with them because I'm not a complete gearfag

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>>4311453
>m8
uber based. I like your work man thanks for making another stupid gear thread a little less shit.

>>4311444
After being out of the game for a while (previously had a d200 and d3200) I was about to pull a trigger on the d850 until I found out the z7ii is pretty much the same but much smaller and lighter and it can use all the amazing Z lenses.

Size and weight are important to me because I want to take it everywhere and the 850 is a chonker. I wouldn’t lug that up a mountain trail if it came with a tugboat.

>>4311444
>need to calibrate AF on each individual lens
dinosaur tech

>>4311444
you know how fucking hard it is to manually focus vintage lenses with an OVF? Or anything at night? How about DOF preview? dont get that unless you want the OVF to go dark. No histogram either, sure there is a light meter but its no histogram. I could go on.

SLRs are fun to use and I would shoot for a hobby with one but I wouldn't touch that shit for a wedding and anything without good live view = laying face down in the mud for macro

>>4311444
Hey, it’s Tuesday night, and DSLRs are dead baby.

Zapp

>>4311482
>I wouldn’t lug that up a mountain trail if it came with a tugboat.
imagine how onions you must be to pretend .5 lbs makes a difference

>>4311479
anytime
>>4311581
alrighty

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Anonymous

i cant get the ovf adjusted to match my eyesight which makes focusing through it unreliable. the oled screen in evf quantifies the scene in a way that i know its not my eyes being fucky and i can zoom in.

>>4311699
If you've tried adjusting the diopter and you still can't get it to focus you likely have an astigmatism, go see the eye doctor

>>4311444
If you're buying a DSLR you're unironically buying outdated technology
/thread

>new d850s are $2200
Hold me back.
>from buying a second one

>>4311726
What if I want an optical viewfinder?
>Mirrorless to me is suddenly as obsolete as the Leica 1c

>>4311930
>What if I want an optical viewfinder?
Go and use outdated technology. I didn't say it's bad, it's a fact.

>>4311928
It's a waste but my current one is gray market because I was an idiot and those cunts at MPB kept grey market ones in stock....so getting it fixed would be third party repairs only when/if the shutter breaks.
But at the same time that's money I could spend towards a z8. Bruhs.

>>4311444
>If you're not buying a DSLR you're unironically paying more for inferior tech because you were dazzled by gimmicky bullshit you will never actually use
This is true and also applies to FF. APS-C DSLRs like the D500 are all anyone needs.

>>4311991
The absence of an optical finder is the outdated tech tho

>>4312285
I know were this is going

I live in a free aka capitalist country therefore i can buy any dumb luxury i want, i can put thought into the things that matter and enjoy my taking and looking at photographs however i want

but please keep coping over what ultimately amounts to your own budgetary decisions though it's going to get entertaining when you inevitably invent a pseudo-intellectual artistic "ideology" to justify how you spent your money and reconcile it with your need to feel superior to others. surely, your purchases must have been the best ones, because you're the best. everyone else is stupid, wasteful, consoomer, goy, jew, cuck, something something, or maybe poor, dumb, nigger, idk - go on, say a line like that. and prolong the argument. you know you need that attention. such is the life of a narcissist.

or dont waste your time and kys instead typical gearfag

>inb4 narcissi thinks he has a comeback

>>4312314
I'm not reading all that cope. You have and will never take a photo that couldn't look good or even better on an APS-C DSLR.

>>4312305
What the point of discussion? Did I say that SLR systems are bad? No. Did I say that DSLR cameras are past? Yes, this is the objective reality. 4 years since the last two DSLRs presentation, while dozens of new MILCs have been shown in the same period of time.

>>4312333
what was the point in you opening your mouth if you didn't want a reply? :A)


just bought this badboy for 320usd

what am i in for /p/

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The kit lens is crap. Try to get the best lens you can afford. You will see the difference.

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>>4311734
Diversity, equity and inclusion.

Anonymous

>>4311777
>lol sony callin matthew on his shit
OPie youre in for walking around carrying a block of uncomfortable controls positioned stupidly and endlessly fucking around in the badly designed menu mess just to take the next goddamn picture until you get to tye pount where its just not worth it anymore, just like we all did eventually. Sony has yet to learn that engineers make poor designers.

>>4311734

either nos or you were scammed real bad

>>4311734
you paid 320USD for that? I see them come up for like 150 all the time and I still wouldnt pay that much

>>4312913
i think it really depends on where you live and how used they are i have not seen any below 275 and thoose are really used

>>4312986
would have just gotten an nx500 desu, unless you plan on doing a lot of video it's just objectively better

honestly a good start body wise, the kit lens isnt great with its shit motors that get stuck every now and then though. get some new glass when you can.

>>4311764
it's fun when paired with the auto lens cap

>>4311734

If you can find the sigma 30mm 2.8 at around 100$ go for it.
Nice lens to learn many things and expecially to demystify shallow depth of field. At some point you will find yourself stepping it downs and then you will reach enlightening.
Same for the crappy sony 55-210mm. It's relativelly bad, but it have stabilization so you can practice many things ranging from portrait, birding and tele landscape in daylight.

Pic related is the sony tele

The 6400 is a nice improvement if you wanna

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>>4314363

The 6400 is a nice improvement if you wanna use a small camera and keep working on aps-c but it's not a tremendous improvement. 6600 and 6700 are definitely better, but are also more expensive, bigger and heavier, so unless you really prefer smaller lenses or apc-c for reasons, going FF could be better.
But to learn the 6000 is perfect. I sugest you to take your time before thinking to new cameras unless you somehow win the lottery. Don't let other put you down on the topic.

>>4311734
>what am i in for
dust collecting


>creamy
>dreamy
>soft
>fallout
>BOKEH

Mfw. What are some other photography memes that drive you crazy? I get that good bokeh is about the only thing that separates us from phone pics but come on either obsession already.

>Muh digital noise
>ahhhh ahhhhh it burns
>I need to never raise the iso I need to us ai!
fuck off already

>muh compression
people are talking about compression as a specific quality/feature of a particular lens model rather than recognizing the optical qualities behind it. Some retard on Instagram tried to tell me that the compression on their Sony lens was better than that of a Nikon lens at the same focal length.
on that topic, Sony as a whole has become a rampant cult meme.

>>4311728
>calls another person a retard
>uses plural "their" instead of his/her
pot calling the kettle black
he was just letting you know his Sony lens has better image quality overall than the equivalent Nikon, who cares if he used the wrong word.

>colour science
Especially shitting on sony because it apparently does something to skin tones, a green tint iirc. Can't say I've noticed anything horrendous even on sooc jpegs, and it's not like colours can't be adjusted

>>4311730
>implies another anon is a retard
>is unaware of basic usage
>https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general<wbr>_writing/grammar/pronouns/gendered_<wbr>pronouns_and_singular_they.html
faggot.

cANON

>>4311813
>calls someone a faggot
>his own link admits it's political and copes about its gramatical incorrectness by saying language is genderfluid

Anonymous

>taking it to the next level
>game changer
>clients
>workflow
>presets

>>4311780
To this day I have no clear idea of what this phrase is supposed to imply. It just feels like something they say to start the paragraph about the things they like about the camera rather than a phrase with any specific meaning.

cANON

>>4311831
>I have no clear idea of what this phrase is supposed to imply
It means that they have utilized the camera or lens in some way (or imagined that they (could) have) instead of it entirely being an act of discretionary consumption.

Anonymous

>>4311857
>instead of it entirely being an act of discretionary consumption
Ahhh.. so it's a cope. They want to imply that the gear has made them money, but since they haven't actually made any money with it, they just say it's done a lot of work for them, making it a 'workhorse'. They are so sigma-pilled and hussle-maxxing that they have given themselves a mental illness where everything is only justifiable if it is profitable or building to an ROI

>watch gear review
>they go on about how good or bad a lens is and I can't tell any difference

>>4311933
Usually they are referring to things that don't matter like chromatic aberration, corner softness, and distortion. The fact of the matter is that with a few exceptions almost all lenses made since the 60s have been more than good enough for everything except extremely technical photography.

But as a reviewer you can't say everything is good because then it it's not really a review. So they create artificial product separation where the differences are technically real, but actually meaningless with regard to the photo output. Same goes for autofocus.

>>4311831
'game changer' makes me seethe every time. youtubers can't stop saying this dumb phrase when it clashes hideously with every other piece of their diction. it sounds like something an out of touch boomer thinks culturally relevant young scammers and grifters say. i one time heard it in real life and got whiplash

>>4311813
see
>>4311817

"It" is singular
"They" is plural
There are two sexes (gender is made up)

>>4311815
American education on full display
Poor little zoomers cannot even understand basic grammmatic concepts

cANON

>>4312009
>There are two sexes (gender is made up)
Truth


Anonymous

I wanna become one of those "street portrait" guys who makes the videos I see all over instagram reels. Only issue is that I want to start a new account to do this, and don't have any street portraits to post to start, nor do I have any followers. How do I get started when people will inevitably ask to see my instagram when I say "hey I take photos of strangers for instagram, could I take some pictures of you?" and they say "sure, what's your ig name?"

buying followers is not an option since that basically gets your account shadowbanned.

Pic is not my image, nor is it even a very good one but it came up when I googled "street portaiture"

>>4311872
I was about to advise you to start with your friends but i remembered we're on 4chan

>>4311872
That sounds like a stupid waste of time.

>>4311872
Just be honest at first. Get around 50 or 60 good portraits and stsrt posting one every day or two. Dress nicely, be flattering, but not creepy. Consider having a card with your info or something to give them so they can see their portrait. Everyone starts somewhere...

>>4311872

First thing, can you take portraits in general?

>>4311872
hire models. That's what the top 1% do anyway

>>4311872
that's not an issue. i do street portraits all the time and i've never shown ig first. if anyone presses you, you can be upfront and say you're just starting out. ir you can bring up one of the big pages as an example of what you're going for. that should be good enough for most

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>>4311872
They don't ask they just take photos of everyone in the street as they pass by
Just get a telephoto lens that way you always have nice subject/background separation and can stay far away from the people whose souls you steal

>>4311872
Most of those reels are obviously fake all you have to do is think about it for a couple minutes. How often do you see nicely dressed women are done up and out walking alone? Secondly when women see a stranger taking photos of them they don't get smiley and giggly and start blushing. The women are probably hired models or his friends.

>>4311872
As a 29 year old who owns multiple businesses across 5 different industries (and as someone who likes to waste free time shitposting and doing photography) I will stop you right here to tell you that photography is, first and foremost, an art form - and turning something that is supposed to be art, in this case photography, into a simple trade job that will earn you money, comes with a myriad of nonsensical garbage you will additionally have to improve on, obtain and/or learn, in addition to having to deal with the main problem of learning, gaining experience and improving on your photography. Turning art into a trade business and chasing money with it, always means you will not be able to fully focus on both sides of things and one will always have to suffer. You just don't have the mental capacity or time to do so (provided you are a human being and do waste 6-9 hours of your day on sleep), you will have to sacrifice the art side of things in order to chase money.

You will eventually find out that doing street photography as your primary (or secondary, or even tertiary) source of income is not worth the time or effort invested and will (only if you're lucky! - keep in mind!) barely bring in enough money to push you through life from month to month, which is a sad reality for close to 100% of street photographers who jump into this mess, thinking they will make a living off it, before knowing or being aware of everything that goes on behind the curtain... Anyhow, to keep it brief, street photography focuses too much on art side of things - and sadly, visual arts do not sell nowadays!

That's where fields like weddings, baptisms, pets, architecture/real estate, commercial, journalism and other similar photography fields come in... These and similar fields focus way more on profiteering, marketing and business side of things and if you want to lead an, not fancy but an above average lifestyle, then that's what you want to be doing - not street photography.

>>4312018
As a 47yo with 3 failed businesses I will say you should listen to this guy.

>>4312027
It's just my advice. Take it or leave it. Nobody's forcing you to do anything.

>>4312032
>>4312018
All these businesses and bmws and still cant get a camera that can focus? Not exactly making me trust your advice AT ALL lol...

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>>4312018
if you want people to take your photo advice, you should post a good photo
my uncle works at nintendo just puts people on the defensive

>>4312032
>>4312018

Did you take these pictures with a flip phone from 2009?

>>4312050
It's a snapshot from my helmets intercom camera. Here's another piece of advice; Learn how to recognize and when to follow good advice. Again, nobody's forcing you, your life, your choice. When someone like me gives you business advice, you listen. Not being snobbish, condescending or patronizing here, just genuinely want to help. I try to give best and most honest advice I possibly can on any board I visit here (that is, when I'm not entertaining myself shitposting.)

>>4311872
If you plan to work with photography, focus on improving your very basic skills and get a decent gear over time. Then slowly shoot free stuff until you build a portfolio with your best pics.
Finally, you can do that lame influencer shit, just for the likes.

>>4311872
>guys who makes the videos I see all over instagram reels
Go back

>>4311872
There is an inherent problem in saying "I want to be a X guy" instead of "I want to do X".
I didn't read the rest of your post. Get yourself sorted out.

>>4312082
But why does it seem like so many of these “influencers” didn’t go through that process and kind of just found success? Is it luck? (((Connections)))? Sucking dicks? How do?

>>4312272

Because they make it SEEM that way so they can form a network of parasocial retards who will idolize them for their perceived effortless skills.

>>4311880
Yeah I unironically don't have a ton of friends kek

>>4311887
Fair advice, thanks anon

>>4311890
Kind of? I could use the practice but I think I'm ""ok"" at portraiture and I like it

>>4311894
fair enough. I guess I could.

>>4311898
Thanks anon. Do you mostly shoot mexicans? Maybe they don't understand what you're saying so they just go along with it

>>4311909
I already do street photography and I think that's where I get my best (or at the very least my favourite) shots, but I wanna strap a go pro on and speak to people and take their portraits.

>>4311927
I see attractive and/or interesing looking people out and about all the god damn time. I was at a train station last week and there was a goth chick there smoking a cigarette and she had this star thing over one of her eyes and I think she would've made a really cool portrait, she just had a lot of character but I felt weird going up and asking to take her photo without having evidence that I was a ""real"" photographer. Like I feel like people are going to say no to me because they think I'm gonna put their images up in my goon cave or something, lol.

>>4312018
I'm primarily doing it for attention & likes, not necessarily profit. That being said I am also very interested in doing real estate photography and am going to shoot some family members houses in the near future to build my RE portfolio before reaching out to agents. I don't expect street photography to be a payday for me, it's more of a creative fulfillment thing.

>>4312082
I have half decent equipment imo, ff mirrorless camera with a 50mm 1.8 & 24-105 4-7. 85mm is probably gonna be my next lens purchase.

>>4312279

>I think I'm ""ok"" at portraiture and I like it

post

>Like I feel like people are going to say no to me because they think I'm gonna put their images up in my goon cave or something

If that's how you carry yourself.

>>4312282
I'd feel bad posting a portrait of someone on 4chan without asking. I don't carry myself that way but idk I guess I'm very self conscious. It's part of why I wanna start doing street portraiture, getting better at speaking to people.

>>4312272
If you see a lot of likes on a "reel" like that, with no much content besides someone taking portraits of random people on the streets, it means they're constantly reaching more people through the algorithm and probably many are bots.
Anyways, do whatever you feel like doing. You might create some interesting content for future clients, who knows.

>>4312279
>Do you mostly shoot mexicans?
no that was the only person i've interacted with whom i couldn't talk to

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>>4311872
>How do I get started
1.kidnap
2.protrait
3.rape
4.post
5.repeat
>people will inevitably ask to see my instagram
hahaha no worries, they never will


budget photography

Hello, I want to start taking pictures but I only have +-200$.
Interested mostly in photography, but it would be nice if it could still shoot video not bad as an add-on

I've seen some videos on YouTube where the GH2 (hacked) showed pretty good quality, is it worth getting it or are there any better choices? What would you recommend for a beginner?

Thanks in advance

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are you underage? go get a job or pick up an extra shift

any camera you can buy at this price point will be essentially worthless, worse than a phone, without a shitload of light and manual focus lenses, especially for filming, which would probably require an external microphone and tripod or stabilizer to even do as well as a phone.

just make sure its an android phone, apple shit forces too much post processing, and the quality is 99% the same as micro four thirds

you need to spend closer to $1k to have a decent camera even buying older gen shit. a gh5 does not have usable autofocus for video (you must shoot manual focus) for example and once you buy a lens that isnt blurry and doesnt make whirring and creaking noises, shipping and tax will make your final expense close to $1k.

honestly dude here's your guide to hybrid shooting for poorfags circa 2024
step 1: work more hours, put the money aside. work now = reward later. didnt your parents teach you that?
step 2: buy a sony a7iii and a tamron 28-75 f2.8 for working and a samyang 35mm f2.8 for traveling light. you will spend about $1250 said and done.
step 3: enjoy your life and never look at camera gear again

>>4312515
This is true

I’ll take phone footage over a high iso focus hunting mess. Sorry dated camera fags. For still you can get away with more but only if its just a hobby and you’re never expected to take a good picture by someone else. If you are you actually do need a decent camera without “but this but that skill issue photography is the art of not pressing the button its a snapshit tldr no i cant take the photo” (knowing an iphone btfos ur m43 at isos above 400)

>>4312540
Bye! See you when you turn 18!

>>4312540
Get a real job kiddo

Work first then reward. In the meantime the best camera you can afford is the smartphone your parents gave you after buying a stolen one off a gypsy

>>4312513
Literally any camera from the past 10 years

>>4312549
You're such a nice person, Anon. Tell me, how often did your parents beat you as a kid?

These idiots are trying to bait you into spending a bunch of money you don't have. This is how commodified hobbies work, especially photography. They live in a world of stats and specs. It's completely divorced from taking photos. If you're interested in actually taking photos rather than endlessly purchasing camera equipment, then I recommend getting a camera you can afford. Having a camera is better than not having a camera, if you want to use a camera. A cellphone is not a camera - there's no tactility, there's no interchangeable lenses, there's no consideration for the mechanics of photography.

Perhaps in snapshit logic, the tool makes the man, so you need the best tool you can because it's the only way to increase the quality of your poor photos. You need 40MP photos of city buses and tree branches, which are objectively better than 16MP photos of city buses and tree branches. "Better" means you are a "better" photographer. The megapixels transmute money into the appearance of personal achievement. Pointing your Samsung in the general direction of a city bus and hitting the big white circle is "better" than any "poor person" camera, because of megapixels. Ignore that you didn't engage in any photography.

M43 is fine. There are some really cheap lenses. Like the Olympus 40-150mm F4.0-5.6 and various primes which can all be had for <$100. Quality be damned, you need low barrier to entry and access to variety once you figure out what you are trying to do. Because it's not "just" $1250, unless you are going to rawdog it with 1 battery, no tripod, no filters, no flashes and lighting, no straps, no bags, etc.

>>4312554
Photography is about the result

Phones and m43 have the same sooc result unless you overspend on giant birdwatching lenses (that are better and the same price on ff) and editing latitude isnt far off either

Just use a decent phone if you can not afford a decent camera. All these point and shoots are discontinued because they are genuinely worse than phones.

>>4312554
>1 battery, no tripod, no filters, no flashes and lighting, no straps, no bags, etc.
this is fine. you dont need any of that.

flash is only worthwhile if you have at least 3 strobes rated at least 200w each AND a proper studio or the ability to book exclusive access to locations otherwise it looks like gross mid 2000s photography and dadographer snapshits

>>4312560
m43 is bigger than one inch though and phone photos are all processed to shit and look like ass

>>4312560
Phones cannot change lenses, in practice your focal length is limited to just a few points, you cannot play with dof, and macro looks like shit. You cannot attach a powerful flash or a flash transmitter. No phone has a mft sensor or a decent selection of lenses. I'd even argue that ergonomics affect the end product. OP does need a real camera. It can even be an old crop DSLR and kit lens.

>>4312562
t. filtered by flash and never did strobist 101. It's really not that hard or expensive to get a natural look. Hell just using a bounce flash for an indoor shot looks perfectly natural.

>>4312563
Oh so now muh pixel peeper quality matters when the line isnt drawn at the junk you own

>>4312564
None of this shit matters. People richer and more famous than you only needed leica+28mm at f/11 to make a career. That is not a glowing review of leicas. They are shitty cameras.

A phone is enough, or not even m43 is enough. Pick one without being a birdwatcher tainted by budgets and skinny arm concerns.

>>4312565
Flash looks bad unless its a studio or a booked location with 3-5 strobes, sorry. Most flash photography is just cope for not being able to schedule sunset/sunrise.

>>4312513
My budget camera in college 8 years ago was a hacked GH2 with the 12-32mm f3.5-5.6 pancake lens. Great camera honestly, even by toady's standards.
Eventually upgraded to the GH5, but still have and use that 12-32mm frequently. Its an extremely sharp lens for what it is. And it fits great in my pocket for travel/street photography.

>>4312566
nigger I can tell it's processed to shit without zooming in. Trees look awful. You also can't use any dof on phone pics. Even f8 makes better pictures because you can remove viewer focus from the background

>>4312580
iPhone exclusive problems

Buy an android phone (also bokeh is a crutch)

>>4312586
I have a pixel. All of them are processed garbage
>(also bokeh is a crutch)
Post a photo

>>4312554
If you are broke, you can't afford weights so can't work out effectively. If you are broke, you can't afford the paints required to put on a canvas. Specs and stats are required to effectively do a hobby that is artistic or dealing with any facet of life that takes energy. A cellphone is a camera in what it does simply and simple photography lessons can teach someone how to make the most of a lower iphone image in editing or maximizing the correct use of the lens, no matter how mid. It's still not effective though, same as what you suggest unless you want to start maximizing the strength of the dollar and what a person can finesse into life with energy. I don't think many people needs 40 mp+, but someone that can't afford 1k for this hobby, which is more pricey upfront compared to other entrances, does not have the right mindset. Obsessive hoarding is another problem, but this is a community which can be best summed up as "buy once and cry once."

I'll probably get shat on for this, but if I got to start over I would probably have gone straight for an early gen full frame like the eos 2D, they go for very cheap sometimes, and get an m42 adapter and a bunch of dirt cheap manual focus lenses. Full frame specifically for that reason, because a crop sensor magnifies their flaws. That way I could have played with a lot of different focal lengths right from the start. It's probably hard mode, but would have been a ton of fun.

cANON

>>4312631
Based
Be sure to get the appropriate focusing screen.

Anonymous

>>4312513
I would get a Canon EOS 7D and a Tamron 17-50mm 2.8. You should be able to get both for around that much from MPB or eBay, and it's good starter gear that you can add to later instead of replacing.

>>4312632
I know /p/, being the effeminate closeted basedboy transsexuals that they are, don’t like the 1d body style, but I’ve yet to hold another camera that feels “right” the way the 1ds do. Kino camera. Ave a 1, 1d, and 1ds mii, all fun to use.

cANON

>>4312639
Put an E-1 hand strap and a RRS L bracket on one and it's perfect.

Anonymous

>>4312534
>knowing an iphone btfos ur m43 at isos above 400
dumb nigger hands typed this post
I too love when the AI denoiser in my luxurious phone rapes every single pixel of every picture i take, because the moment there is not enough light the sensor just shits out noisy pictures (which would be better off without the denoiser)

>>4312594
>you can’t afford weights
>therefore you should be a lazy pos
Or you can do calisthenics you stupid fuck. I hate analogues so much its unreal.

my dad gave me his broken nikon d90 with a 50mm f/1.4 and that setup has given me amazing photos that you cant get with a phone or most cheaper zoom lenses. shooting with manual primes teaches you a lot about exposition and composition since you are working around its limitations. i recommend getting a used dslr and a bright 35mm prime because gearfags are getting rid of their dslrs and manual primes in 35 or 50mm tend to be very cheap. if you end up caring enough, you might upgrade to a mirrorless like i have done. dont be persuaded into spending lots of money for something you probably wont utilize to its fullest, if you dont end up enjoying the hobby, it wont be a huge loss

>>4312513
Just learn good composition techniques and use literally any phone made within the past 5 years.

>>4312842
>m43 already looks like mushy steaming dogshit
>advocates for using an even smaller sensor
I've never seen a phone photo that didn't look awful.

>>4312842
Everyone jerks off over computational AI shit on phones and no one mentions how unbelievably superior the actual shooting experience with a proper camera is. Like holy shit just having dedicated buttons and dials beats the pants off dealing with a blown out slippery touch screen with half the settings hidden. All these comparisons do is encourage hours wanking over computer generated leaves of grass while pixel peeping instead of taking damn photos.

>>4312513
Any old budget or even medium level DSLR and a cheap kit zoom or prime (fixed) lens. Millions of people start with that and have fun and from there figure out if they actually like photography and what to invest into. An old like-new 7D and EF 50mm or EFS 24mm is like $300.

>>4312842
idk that iphoney looks mighty complex with all its features while a camera is pretty simple and straight forward

you kinda walked right into that one :A)

>>4312842
>"Just use a phone"
Dude give it up.
You're comparing a golf cart to a tank.

>>4312842
Idiots communicate with political cartoons and memes and geniuses communicate with things from peer reviewed research papers to entire books, so this doesnt check out

>An idiot admires complexity
>"Thomas and Jane met for lunch last Tuesday"
>A genius admires simplicity
>"t took dat bitch 2 da bar awready"

>>4312842
judging by the replies your image was both based and thebestcameraistheoneyouhaveonyou-p<wbr>illed

*Edited: I just checked and it in fact was

>>4313323
there is no phone with a real camera

>>4312912
Judging by the replies he was wrong and got btfo hard.

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>>4313500
or what about real camera with phone? (even has built-in selfie camera)

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>>4313505
Kinda cool
>>4313506
That means I always have to carry my camera

>>4312554
>commodified hobbies
I think I've seen that in a Youtube video essay