A Thread To Investigate The Curious Nature of Leicafags

Leicafags are an interesting species.
This is a thread to try and comprehend the minds of these consumerist retards.
Their subreddit, the premier place for Leica fans, has a rule explicitly stating that any photos need to "demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both"
All the photos in the subreddit do not fit this idiotic criteria, yet are lauded.
99% of the posts there are about people buying gear instead of photos.
They care more about being seen with a Leica than actually using it.

Here is a random assortment of a few photos from the subreddit that apparently follow the criteria, otherwise they would be deleted right?
>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Nothing difficult or uniquely captured via Leica that can't be done with any other camera

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Blurry out of focus shot of nothing, poor composition and endorsement of alcohol
Garbage

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Decent shot, poor composition and framing, but also nothing that can't have been done with another camera.

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Dude his head is like covered by the post bro it's like about how technology and conformity cover our identities bro do you get it bro
Again, nothing about the shot is unique to Leica.

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Literal nothing shot of a guy walking across the road
The shadows aren't interesting, the composition is boring, the tones are flat.
The only reason they think this is good is because it's Leica

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Tiny and horribly focused shot of a deer or elk or fawn (i'm not a biologist) doing nothing and not even posed in an interesting way.
Most of the photo is branded with the film stock they used instead of caring about the actual photography.
Again, nothing about this stands out as unique to Leica.

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
This is the only one I kind of like, but this was the last photo in a set that previously was photos of a woman in a bikini. I refused to save and post those shots because I do not care for women or photos of women or women as subjects of photographs.
This shot took more skill than the others because you have to go underwater, but again, any random film camera that can go underwater can take this shot.
The "Leica look" is meaningless.

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Literal snapshot of an out of focus kitty with no composition

>demonstrate a skill or technique that is incredibly difficult to execute correctly, has not been seen before, or both
Again, another no composition, no story, no nothing snapshot but it was taken with a Leica so it must be gold

>>4297444
This is why I just have fun taking pics of things I like. Eye of the beholder, etc. It gets so gay when you add all the pretentious art bs. It's almost like that page is being satirical with these pictures, but they are dead serious.

I don't hate Leicas either. I just think they're another toy to have fun with...

>>4297438
It's almost like the type of person to demonstrate that they have purchased the expensive, luxury version of something are same type to get high off their own farts. Imagine that!

>>4297439
I do like this one, though.

>>4297438
OP is an insecure poorfag roasting a bunch of other people’s photos without having the guts to post their own - probably because they are a trash photog anyway. I see the same shit talking about Leica shooters from poors all the time. Let me tell you what it’s really about.

* Manual rangefinders are fast
* Short flange distance means lenses with amazing quality can also be v small
* Leica makes cameras that last forever

Really the first thing I do when I get a new Leica body that has a red logo is remove or cover it, and tons of other Leica shooters do this too

In conclusion op is fake and gay

>>4297445
>>I do not care for women or photos of women
>>the Leica look is meaningless

I’m starting to suspect this whole thing is just bait, nobody is actually this retarded

>>4297464
>* Manual rangefinders are fast
An SLR with a microprism or split prism is actually faster
>* Short flange distance means lenses with amazing quality can also be v small
Lots of SLR lenses are super sharp and reasonably compact, less than 1/2" longer
>* Leica makes cameras that last forever
Leica cameras are notoriously fiddly and need frequent servicing. Some of their highest priced models had fatal flaws like rusty sensors, failing buttons, and firmware crashes.

>>4297466
It is. He has been posting his somewhat warranted leica hate in atleast two other threads, and was inspired by a certain someone to make this thread. It's kind funny, I guess.

>>4297468
>>An SLR with a microprism or split prism is actually faster
In what world is spinning a 6” diameter focus ring 180 degrees faster than spinning a 4” diameter focus tab 90?
>> Lots of SLR lenses are super sharp and reasonably compact, less than 1/2" longer
That’s what I said, rf lenses are smaller. You forget to mention that besides longer, slr lenses of the same focal length and aperture will also have a larger diameter due to the more aggressive corrections needed for the longer flange distance

>> Leica cameras are notoriously fiddly and need frequent servicing. Some of their highest priced models had fatal flaws like rusty sensors, failing buttons, and firmware crashes.
I’ve got leica bodies from the 1930s all the way to modern day and they all work fine.

>>4297472
>In what world is spinning a 6” diameter focus ring 180 degrees faster than spinning a 4” diameter focus tab 90?
1: I don't have girl fingers
2: SLR focus confirmation is more precise. SLR composition is more precise. Everything is done faster. Just don't have bitch fingers.
>That’s what I said, rf lenses are smaller. You forget to mention that besides longer, slr lenses of the same focal length and aperture will also have a larger diameter due to the more aggressive corrections needed for the longer flange distance
This is basically pure fucking bullshit. Smaller RF lenses are WORSE, the "legendary" ones are the same fucking size as SLR gear because they both use "more aggressive corrections".
>I’ve got leica bodies from the 1930s all the way to modern day and they all work fine.
Now I know it's a larp or disingenuous (you're avoiding the shit models) because leica is plagued with shit models with unrepairable failing light meters, self-tearing shutters, light meters that cant be repaired, rusty sensors, shit firmware, dead buttons, etc.

>>4297472
if you cant spin both rings at the same speed you have a genuine disability. the leica would feel more delicate, but it should actually be slower due to less precision inherent to using a shorter scale. you should be able to turn each ring lock to lock in the same amount of time but stop on a correct focus point faster with less hunting on the SLR.

there's a reason leicas are jewelry and recreational (LARP/fashion) kit and the whole world went to SLRs, and even mirrorless is just based on the concept of the SLR.

>>4297440
>>4297446
>>4297447
these are crap but at least the others are pleasing to look at even though none of them are groundbreaking or difficult

>posts photos better than 90% of what gets posted on /p/
haha epic win OP, you sure pwned the leicafags!

>>4297438
>99% of the posts there are about people buying gear instead of photos.
Totally unlike this place. What utter faggots

>>angry about what camera someone uses

Anyone who cares what someone else does with their own hardware is a complete degenerate OP probably uses an android phone with a broken screen and talks shit about iPhone users to the other students in his special ed class

>>4297438
I hate it that leica is such a fucking meme. Because I'd love to own a digital rangefinder. But leica prices are just too high. Such a camera isn't worth more than a mid-range SLR mirror less.

This is my $12,000 custom Leica M11 with a $12,500 50mm f/0.95 Leica Noctilux on it.

OP is right tons of cameras can take good photos. But only a Leica looks good in your hands while you do it.

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>>4297518
neat, can you post some pics from it?

>>4297518
Lmao what reddit post did you get this from?

>>4297518
I don't care if it looks cool albeit, I'm not a cool person

>>4297518
Only camera nerds think so and only camera nerds know what it is. Leica only impresses other loser men.

>>4297538
>>4297530
Is this better?

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>>4297543
neat, can you post some pics from it?

>>4297545
Sure. Here it is at f/0.95.

(f-stop number in the EXIF data is wrong because Leica doesn't actually store that information and Lightroom just tries to guess it.)

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>>4297547
Oh, I meant more like normal / actual pictures, unless that's what you mostly use it for I guess.
 It's also the camera that guesstimates aperture, not Lightroom, but is usually off by 0.5 to 1 stop in my experience.

>Leica-fags pay $12000 for a camera
>the camera doesn't even know what the aperture is.

Jesus fucking christ.

>>4297553
nevermind that, why is his shutter speed 1/6

>>4297547
the $1,000,000 question
Did you buy this because it was your dream camera after years of snapshitting around with film rangefinders, or because you wanted to "btfo /p/"

>>4297558
I'll be honest I bought it because it looked cool.

I didn't even know how to focus with a rangefinder when I first got it. I had to watch a YouTube video, lol.

>>4297559
>bought a brick with a coke can attached to the front for looks
go back and buy a hasselblad. leicas arent cool anymore. everyone just asks you which fujifilm you’re using or says “hey is that a canonet?”

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>>4297518

this is my 1700€ Nikon D200 with rubber eyecup and longer strap, 1500€ 17-55mm US serial with protection filter, 16GB 29MB/s write CF, current aftermarket valuation is like 555€ prefer not to trade

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>>4297559
Real question here is how2 money like you. You aren’t also dog hair large-format guy that got a big inheritance And wastes it all on shitty photos now ,
are you? Tho, I suppose this hobby does attract dumb richfags lol

>>4297581
Most of us live by throwing our life savings at 5x shitcoin longs and 0dte SPY options on FOMC days until we kill ourselves

>>4297585
>"us"
>"we"
No. Not everyone is retarded

I may just buy a Leica myself to may poorfags seethe.

>>4297593
If you do it right you may even get an obsessed ankle biter that makes troll threads just for you!

>>4297593
me too but I will rather get S

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>>4297553
As demonstrated here, Leicafags buy it to show off they can afford a Leica, not actually use it.

cANON

>>4297620
>reflex, 3:2 large sensor
Ah, a man of culture as well

Anonymous

>>4297553
>>4297698
what is the benefit of the camera knowing the aperture?

>>4297558
my m10-m came after years of snapshittin with these two
been a solid 3rd or 2nd camera for shoots, and prob my edc choice 40% of the time
>>4297723
nice for exif, maybe organizing by aperture for lens review / comparison / excel, but i don't really see much purpose for normal shooting
between memory / knowing optical qualities of your lenses, it's pretty easy to figure out what aperture was used for a given shot

read the comparison of ultra fast 50s on Philip reeves blog to see how the noctilux gets mogged by Chinese lenses now.

>>4297757
So the pro strat is getting a leica body and chinese lenses?
Noted. I will return with more research.

>>4297758
pro strat is the modern voigtlander m-mount lenses. theyre so disgustingly good on film. they have excellent contrast, minimal chromatic aberrations, and sharpness corner to corner from the widest aperture. they have excellent construction and are good value for money, especially if you are ok with a used copy.

i've been beating up a rollei 35 rf on hiking/backpacking trips and i have an m4-p that is pleasant to use, but i just don't shoot with it as much because i'd rather keep beating up the rollei on a lot of trips. in the end, theyre both just vehicles for my m-mount lenses of choice, which are the 40mm heliar, 50mm apo lanthar, and 28mm ultron v2. i'm hoping that voigtlander releases a 35mm color skopar v2, they have been refreshing their whole m-mount lineup and a pancake 35mm with updated optics would be great.

>>4297450
>I just think they're another toy to have fun with
This sums all of the matters of muh leica bad.
only i don't like about is leica is expensive compare to the other toys.
maybe it's same as 3m ferrari vs 30k honda but i don't think it's the same.

I think the real subject leica should get shits thrown to is their SL series which is definitely aimed to be professional camera yet they made another toy that feels like professional not professional camera.

btw, when ERF comes? would they ever consider to make electronic range finder even?

>>4297518
You look fucking rich and using your money like tap water, not because you have a leica but because you waste your money on buying 4chan pass

Best Leica

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>>4297795
based but the lens is little bit disappointing. here's the best lens

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>>4297450
They’re definitely toys lol. Real cameras have a TTL viewfinder. Electronic or otherwise.

>>4297518
>pass user
>leica
masterful bait

Sarabande

>>4297518
The best looking one's are entirely black without the red logo

Anonymous

>>4297518
It's nice but I cannot fathom why anyone would buy that. And I say this as a wealthy man who can afford anything I want.

>>4297815
Fixed

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>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
could've been told these are all iPhone pics and I wouldn't question it

being a leicafag truly is an illness

>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
omg sovl amarite

>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
literal AI enhanced photo (post is 2 months old so it's plausible)

>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
yellow fever
colour me shocked

>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
my car is an old Porsche btw

it's a cult lmao

>>4298069
>>4298071
>>4298072
>>4298074
>>4298075

>dislikes something
>spends time actively looking at it

ngmi

>top /leicaphotos posts of all time (that aren't 80 years old scans)
seriously what's up with the AI looking photos?

>>4297438
>Leicafags are an interesting species.
leicafags are precisely the same as every other esoteric prosumerist for every other niche hobby
On /k/, theyre the retards that spend $4000+ on a faithful MK18 reproduction complete with suppressor, LMT/KAC lower, and DD upper, then probably never shoot
On /mu/gg, it's filthy third-worlders arguing about who has the perfect Les Paul because if it's not Gibson, the quality must be shit

essentially Leicafags are the epitome of "buying into" a hobby.
of every hobby that you could gearfag for, photography has to be one of the absolute worst, because almost every single camera within a "type bracket" (80's mech SLR, modern SLR, DSLR, RF, etc) functions almost exactly the same. Unless you're packing a Lytro or something, there's absolutely nothing you can do with your Leica RF camera that I can't do with an FE2, other than spend more money on the camera

>>4298074
Couldn’t even move it up just a tiny bit to not cut off her head like, just looks so snapshitty amateurish lol. But muh bokeh I guess.

>>4297543
That's some fucking fine handwriting.

>>4297543
Jesus, leicafags truly are a cargo-cult.

>>4298086
>seething about gibson
Ok monke

Leica is PRS private stock or a fender offset. No SOVL. Gibson is actually good.

>>4298100
Actually fuji is fender offsets (no sovl, inherently bad design, nonartist darling)
Gibson = canon
Fender = nikon (fits since fuji is a soulless nikon copy)
Ibanez = panasonic
ESP = pentax
Cort = micro four thirds

>>4298121
i didnt even notice the furfag OCs until you posted

>>4297543
yikes. why cant we have a richfag with taste who likes hasselblad and the good shit like fooly cooly?

>>4298122
>richfag
>taste
>hasselblad
ngmi

>>4298124
Like it or not, hasselblad is the peak of taste, and arri is the peak of taste and of technology (because lets be real, you dont need shit for tech for stills besides a big sensor and a lens that projects a pretty picture)

>>4298126
This. you don't even need a dedicated camera as a hobbyist and even professional. all you need is a newest iphone

>>4297438
the reddit group hates fedposters

>>4298396
every time I see a soviet era camera I imagine the reeking trans person shooting it and I get sick

>>4298074
>>4298087
I liked her nails
Otherwise not too great a picture

>>4298396
At least have discernment and get a Kiev

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>>4298563

WHY YOU NEED CAMERA OF IMPERIALIST JAPAN WITH AUTOMATIC FOCUSING WHEEL??? YOU DON'T NEED PICTURE STILL HOLDING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BUILT IN CAMERA BECAUSE OF HOW BIG IT IS LIKE FAT AMERICAN WITH MANY GUNS WHEN ONLY TOKAREV OF GREAT RED ARMY IS NECESSARY

WHAT HAPPEN TO JAP KNEE CON CAMERA WHEN POWER GO OUT??? WHY LOAD CAMERA WITH MANY USELESS FEATURE TO IMPRESS DUMB AMERICAN TOURIST???? YOU DON'T NEED CAPITALIST CAMERA OF MYSPACE RETARD GIRL

WHY YOU NEED NAZI LEICA CAMERA WHICH COST MORE THAN AVERAGE SOVIET HOUSEWIFE?

THIS CAMERA TAKE SAME PICTURE AND DOES NOT NEED ANY OF THOSE THINGS, IS ALSO MADE IN UKRAINE WITH PRIDE OF SOVIET RED ARMY AND GIVEN TO COMMISARS AND MILITARY OFFICERS WHO STARED DOWN FASCIST BASTARDS IN HARSH WINTER WITH NO FEAR OF DEATH AND DEFEND GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND. CAN ALSO CONCEAL CAMERA IN COAT OF POCKET FOR EASY TRANSPORT WHILE CARRY KALASHNIKOV AUTOMATIC RIFLE

FED NKVD IS MADE OF BRASS AND ALUMINUM METAL UNLIKE NIKON JAP CAMERA MADE OF SHITTY PLASTIC THAT ONLY LAST FEW YEARS AND HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER ONE

FED CAMERA NAMED FOR IRON FELIX DZHERZINSKY WHO FIGHT ALONGSIDE LENIN IN RUSSIAN REVOLUTION AND KILL MANY WHITE ARMY PARTISANS, WHAT IS NIKON CAMERA NAMED FOR?????

YOU DONT NEED PLASTIC CAMERA MADE FOR DUMB ASS AMERICAN GIRL, GO AND TAKE PICTURES LIKE GREAT SOVIET MAN

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>>4298591
GET OUT OF MY THREAD COMMIE
WE POST BRICK HERE LIKE TRUE FREEDOM-LOVING PATRIOTS
THAT IS THE TRUE CAMERA OF THE PEOPLE

>>4298597
Unironically decent little snapshitter if you ever get one CLAd. Had one back in high school, nice vintage looking lens , surprised YouTube film faggots haven’t gotten all over it. It even has a wide and a tele as well.

CAXAP

>>4298597

HAHA LIKE TYPICAL AMERICAN IS ALSO TOO FAT. CAN YOU PLACE IN COAT POCKET FOR EASE OF CARRYING M16??? BRICK CAMERA CALLED BRICK FOR REASON CAPITALIST PIG

ALSO BRICK CAMERA NEVER SEND TO SPACE, LENINGRAD OF KMZ WAS SEND UP ON SOYUZ ROCKET WHILE DUMB AMERICAN STILL FIGURING OUT REDSTONE AND NO-GO NAVAJO WHICH DOES NOT WORK LIKE CAPITALISM

Sugar

>>4298598

I believe Steinheil Munchen made a couple lenses for them too. They are grossly underrated because they are American

Anonymous

>>4298598
Unironically my favorite rangefinder is pic related
>Solid aluminum build
>Surprisingly nice coated tessar-design lens, probably one of the best domestic lenses on a consumer camera
>Built to be serviced by a trained bonobo with nothing but a flathead screwdriver (read: US Infantrymen)
>rangefinder patch is massive
>oversized controls designed for use with heavy winter gloves
>genuinely tiny, less wide than a Pentax ME but slightly taller
>shutter speeds suck but I'll live
>$30 used
Currently in the process of putting a roll of Fujigold 200 through it. Makes me wonder what other fixed lens rangefinders I should consider. Maybe a Graphic 35 or Lynx 14.

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>>4298934

I have one of these, outstanding camera. The Lynx 14 is another good one and has a very good lens on it, so good people are buying them to remove the lens and adapt it to mirrorless.

The Retina III is another good one to come from this era, though technically interchangeable only the front element is removable, like on the Zeiss Contaflex

Anonymous

>>4297543
Are you the "Pls no bully" /fa/ggot in the EDC Threads ?

>>4298078
It doesn't look like AI. It looks perfect. This is called the Leica glow. Leica lenses are some of the finest quality lenses in the world with coma, chromatic aberration, etc reduced to a minimum.
That's why photos taken on Leicas don't look like photos, but rather like something more.

>>4300810
I can't tell you why you think that. I'm not a cognitive psychologist. I can only guess that you're just not used to seeing true quality, and that AI, since it looks at millions of photos, ends up averaging out the distortions that inferior lenses cause in their photos.

>>4300809
>It doesn't look like AI. It looks perfect.
Some aggressive colour grade was applied, and it shows (on the background car).

>>4300809
Its aggressively edited and ai enhanced

>le leica glow
Thats actually most M mount lenses being soft as fuck with a persistent sharpness falloff towards the edges giving you bokeh at every aperture. Leica lenses are poorly made compared to canon eos stuff from any year so when they finish shilling Ms “leica glow depth rendered microcontrasting nanocolors” they call canikon sterile and clinical

>>4300840
Why do Canon/Nikon/Fuji fags always attack Lecia?

It's NEVER the other way around.

>>4298078
desaturating blues and greens and pushing oranges for that cinematic effect™

>>4300841
same reason why snoy cucks can't stop shitting m43 threads

i recently became a leicafag<br>ask away

heres an assortment of photos i snapped today

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lol

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>>4300928
>the subject isn't even in focus

Leica-fags will tell you no autofocus is a good thing.

>>4300943
what's leicafag's excuse for the Q series

lecafags rise up!!

>>4298087
i don't mind the framing except that there's a lot of dead space behind her head. so it should probably be angled more to the left or vertical frame. i do think shooter should have waited a single second for those distracting headlights to pass

>>4300841
fake and gay
>>4300930
what kind of jam jar smudgy glass is this?

Oh man, after snapshitting a rainy afternoon i totally get the lica hype, its all about the viewfinder.

None of my pics are good but i'll post em later when i get home

>>4301185
>tfw thread dies the moment i post in it

captcha: 2ASSMD

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>>4297438
Not a Leica nerd, but I don't think it's necessarily a consumerist thing desu. Most of the serious Leica users I've met usually only have 1/2 lenses and about as many camera bodies. Idk if many users of cameras from the Big 3 can make the same claim.

*tips beanie

>>4301280
idk what consumerist even means with respect to camera gear
>>4301002
that's cool

>>4297440
>and endorsement of alcohol
muslims will not feel the warmth of heaven

>>4297744
love the skopar. love the m-4.

>>4301280
>Leica users are too broke to buy anything beyond 1-2 bodies and ~2 lenses (total cost: $13-23k)
>meanwhile jap camera chads can buy a lifetime of gear and never look at dpreview again for the cost of one single crappy f2 nifty fifty lense
How do you measure consumerism? Money spent for value gained, or clutter? I guess it depends on if you care because of the way it impacts peoples lives, or if you care because of how it impacts organizing a minimalist "battlestation" and cramming it all into an "EDC bag".

Here's my (digital) Leica M11 next to my (film) Leica MA.

Leica is literally the only company that will sell you digital or film, in the same body, and you can just swap the lenses between both without issue. All brand new. In box. With warranty.

I don't think anyone disagrees that Leica is expensive... but it's expensive because they're the only company that offers a camera system like this. If FujiFilm or Nikon wanted to come out with a system that lets me swap between film and digital, all in the same body with the same mount, then by all means.

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>>4301675
Wammo, poorfag special for less than a summicron

>>4301676
Until relatively recently, Nikon supported film and digital systems simultaneously, and easily could again, but even leica only did a limited run of their film camera for a reason. The market is flooded with 100 years worth of film cameras. Companies have to compete with themselves.

>>4301677
>35mm f/1.4 Canon Tamron.

Can I put this on a Canon film camera from 1985?

>>4301669
Love the skopar, been using mine for nearly 12 years, somehow outlasted every other body/lens I've gone through in that time

>>4301678
I really doubt the VC would work. The tamrons are overpriced too, they're just the first thing I saw on ebay and recognized as decently sharp wide open night lenses (also huge)

>>4301676
so can we see some photos you've taken with them?

>>4301678
first party lenses work 100% all the way back to the eos 650

third party? crapshoot.

>>4301678
no, they are EOS/EF mount, which started in 1987
if your canon is 1985, it's fd mount

CAXAP

>>4300922

WHY YOU BUY NAZI LEICA THAT COST MORE THAN AVERAGE SOVIET HOUSE WIFE THEN PLACE SHITTY CHINESE LENS ON IT???

THAT IS LIKE DUMB ASS AMERICAN HEE-HAW RED NECK WHO BUY SKS RIFLE OF SOVIET HERITAGE AND PLACE RAIL ON IT FOR SHITTY CHINESE SCOPE AND ATTACHMENTS TRY TO LOOK LIKE TACTICOOL RETARD. RIFLE IS FINE!! LEICA IS FINE!!!

BUY LEICA LENS AND PUT ON SOVIET CAMERA. A FINE ZORKI OR FED IS OK. LENINGRAD OKAY TOO WITH 4 SCREW MOUNTS ON FRONT PLATE INSTEAD OF TWO. LENS IS WHAT TAKEING PICTURE NOT CAMERA. EVEN BETTER PUT LEICA COLLAPSIBLE SUMMICRON ON NKVD FED MODIFY FOR 28.8MM STANDARD. CAN ALSO FIT IN COAT POCKET FOR EASE OF TRANSPORT AMERICAN AR15 ARMALITE RIFLE.

IF BUY LEICA CAMERA USE LEICA LENS OTHERWISE YOU ARE AMERICAN HIPSTER WHO RELY ON NAME TO BE COOL. THAT IS LIKE BASTARD NAZI ARMY WHO DECIDE TO TAKE STALINGRAD FOR NAME WHEN SHOULD HAVE GONE SOUTH TO MOLDOVA FOR RICH OIL FIELDS AND ACTUAL OBJECTIVE, THEN LOSE WAR TO COLLECTIVIST FARMERS WITH OUTDATED RIFLE.

>>4301787
cus digidal ranjefinder c:

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Anonymous

Brought my M10-M along for the first wedding of the season. It's mainly an edc, use it lots for smaller portrait sessions, but always left it at home for weddings (unless I'm uncle bob).<br>Went way smoother than expected. Only troublesome part was the reception dancing (doing no flash f1.2-f1.7), really dark & tons of movement, made it difficult to reliably focus with the RF patch.

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I love my digital Leica, but good :)

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i know most of these shots of mine arent very inspiring, but thats because all the good ones are of my friends and im rly not comfortable with sharing those here

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>>4301797
picrel, selfie included

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>>4301808
>I bought a $8000 camera to take a photo of a urinal.

>>4301810
Hell yeah dude! Urinals are the thing I take pictures of, and it's the only camera that can capture them so beautifully, that is why I bought it.

Sugar

>>4301810

>Checks ebay
>two for under 2000

Wait, these things got cheap, shit even I can buy one now, damn. They are almost M3 prices.

>>4301814
Digileicas got cheap after covid, I got my M8 for 1300 dollars

>>4301815

Might be worth it to pick up an M9 and an LTM adapter for my Russian glass

>>4301817
I went M8 just to avoid the sensor rot, considering its still an extremely lavish purchase. The 1.33 crop factor rly isnt that big a deal
Just my two cents

>>4301818

That's not too bad, just means all the shitty corners on Russian lenses won't be visible

Anonymous

>>4301818
>1.33
So it turns your Ricoh gr into an x100? Eww.

>>4301679
i swapped mine for a pre-asph summilux but im mostly shooting these at f/8 so the skopar is probably better. smaller, better aperture ring, more dampened focusing ring, better contrast and sun stars

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>>4301818
>the sensor rot
you can see the version of the sensor from the debug menu. if you get a good version you are supposedly immune to the sensor issue. i absolutely loved my m9 and sometimes regret upgrading to the m10

>>4301820
No it turns your shitty leica snapshits into locked in pro tier Leica™ snapshots of timeless proportions. :A)

>>4301956
Huh, first time ive heard about that. Granted you gotta actually inspect the camera in person or get real intimate with the seller to make sure that's the case.

>>4301977
>Huh, first time ive heard about that. Granted you gotta actually inspect the camera in person or get real intimate with the seller to make sure that's the case.
yeah you can look it up. if the seller doens't know the cheat code you can guide them through it. sellers of leicas will either know about this, or will follow your directions. or they are retarded.

often the title of the sale will include the ID of the sensor in it. if i remember correctly CCID 8 or above and you are fine. the monochrom will have different IDs but the principal is the same.

you can also get the serial number from them and email leica to ask about its maintenance history, which i also recommend.

>>4301977
>>4301992
the debug menu of the M9 will also show you the shutter count, which is cool. that basically goes away in the m10

>>4301992
On the M9 you want CCID 15. CCID 8 was when they were first replacing the bad sensors with more of the same bad sensors before they had a long term fix in place. CCID 15 is the corrosion-proof sensor.

Re: all the Leica hate please tell me where else I can get a full-frame CCD rangefinder that lets me shoot every M and LTM lens ever made?

>>4304166
voightlander is making some incredible fuji lesnes now

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>>4304181
Fuji x mount is a crop sensor cmos system you turkey

>>4301977
No you really don’t. Just email Leica customer service with the serial number and they will let you know if they have replaced the sensor with a good one, usually within 12 hours. I asked them about 3 body serials while I was shopping for an m9.

>>4297473
You can’t just say “nuh uh” and be taken seriously, especially when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Longer flange distance means bigger lens. If you want to clear the mirror and use a wide angle lens at the same time you’re looking at an inverted telephoto design which is just big especially if you want fast apo.

Compare m-mount ecosystem to micro 4/3 and the trend continues. Absolutely tiny lenses - partly because of sensor size but a big part is indeed the minuscule flange distance of the m43 spec.

Anyway you people act like Leica users only own Leica rangefinders… the reality is that each camera type fills a role so my Nikon + Canon SLRs get used for some things, my hasselblad medium format SLRs and Japanese 645 rf cameras get used for others, and my Leica rf gets carried daily. Nobody is forcing you to buy and use a Leica, nobody cares about your opinion, nobody even knows you exist we just out here havin fun makin snapshits

>>4304489
who cares faggot nobody buys a camera for the stupid sensor

>>4304504
Sensor (and whatever force processing comes with it)+lens mount is all that matters. Everything else is a fun gimmick.
>I want a low resolution CCD bayer or monochrome rangefinder
>UH BUY 40MP XTRANNY YOU CAN PUT SOME VOIGTLANDERS ON IT

>>4304518
nothing in particular but there are more options for it now as that is what camera makers are making since 2009

>>4304516
Whats so great about xtranny? Nothing. Shit colors. Blurry detail. Noise looks like worms. Only got worse with PDAF. Bad design.
What's so great about a bayer CCD? Super sharp, great colors, especially with big pixels. Global shutter. Noise doesn't look like shit.

>>4297464
could you sound any more defensive?
what's the matter, got called out?

>>4304524
no trolling allowed outside /b/

>>4304544
Facts are trolling? If xtranny didnt lower resolution, wreck colors, and create worms they'd use it on their $8000 professional GFX cameras not just the chinese plastic larp scameras for "prosoomer" hobbyists who are mostly doom spending single men in the same demographic as people that live in trailers but have high end gaming PCs.

0 reason to buy a fuji when it's the same build quality as sony with half the autofocus and 2/3s the image quality. If you think it ever looked like film, it doesn't, a leica CCD looks 10000x more like film. It's so far apart you really need to get a job and shoot at least one roll of film through a camera with a good lens (leica) so you can see the difference.

>>4304548
i own both an m9 and a fuji. the workflow is similar and i can't tell the images apart. why haven't you bought one yet?

>>4304548
can we see some of the photos you take?

>>4304556
>no photos from m9
Lol

>>4304557
Not when fujislugs are involved.

How do these arguments even happen?
>I have THE GEAR and its good listen to me!
You can instantly win this argument by posting a photo from "the gear", just one. Otherwise the joy of reflex might just be made up.

Maybe gearfags are just commonly trolled because everyone knows they don't take photos or own cameras

>>4304563
I just like the additional context to the opinion it provides. Posting bad pictures doesn't invalidate the opinion presented, but posting good ones certainly can help add merit. Photos really help me see where the perspective is coming from and try to be more sympathetic.
No photo just makes it feel meaningless.

Best Leica Camera

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>>4304805
Sounds like something a neo nazi made up to portray criticism of their favorite fat racist russo-israeli puppet as insanity, adapted to cameras. If thats where fujislugs get their memes i have no respect for them.

>>4304814
Yeah * derangement syndrome originates from situations like this, where sensible criticism of zion don is called "trump derangement syndrome"
>Trump denies climate change, rolls back environmental protections
>So trump is complicit in this extreme weather situation, since he is actively working against efforts to fix it?
>NO CUZ CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT REEL. EARTH IS FLAT. JESUS CONTROLS CLIMATE. U HAS TDS. THANK U KOCH BROTHERS MORE OIL PLS
If "FDS" is derived from "TDS" we can safely assume fujislugs are such retards or hang out with them. Fuji: the official brand of vladimir putin.

Sage

>>4304814
>>4304825
>its 2024 and xhey somehow are still desperately clinging to le orange man bad
Jesus Christ man everyone else has moved on lmao

Anonymous

>>4304833
Moved on to Ridin' with Biden. Yeehaw!

>>4301681
>leica owner
>taking pics for more than a few weeks until the novelty wears off and then they blow another $10k on a newer hobby

which is the best digital rangefinder for my budget of $600

>>4304805
>own a fuji x-pro
>buy a leica m9
>travel with two camera bodies, a fuji x-pro and an m9
>same equivalent focal length glued to both
>zone focusing and manual settings and flash, mostly

same workflow, same images. m9 has an extremely satisfying *ker-klunk, whiiiiiir* and i like using it more.

but they're the same.

technically the fuji is a lot better than the leica, but the body isn't made of brass and it doesn't have a bad ass shutter sound.

>>4305217
Fuji is technically worse due to having a smaller sensor and inferior color filter array
https://medium.com/@nevermindhim/x-<wbr>trans-vs-bayer-fantastic-claims-and<wbr>-how-to-test-them-475b4f1b7fae
The users believe the soft images with practically destroyed colors are "film like" because expired drug store film scanned by a retard is also soft with practically destroyed colors.

Fujinon lenses are inferior as well. No one is clamoring to adapt them to other mounts, they'd rather just use leica M lenses.

>>4305220
its a sad look when you have to cite a 7 year old article, from a random nobody, that is 100% theoretical and uses 0 actual Fuji images, where the author even concludes
>An AA-filterless Bayer sensor and an X-Trans sensor of the same resolution are fairly evenly matched
in my own made up hypothetical, fuji is better, so there!

cANON

>>4305217
Can't tell if bait or fujislug cope

Anonymous

>>4305224
Xtrans has only lost photosites in those seven years. It can only have gotten worse.
>0 actual fuji images
Actually non fuji demosaicing algorithms are even better than the jpeg pipeline, if he shot jpegs with two cameras fuji would have done even worse

>>4305228
and in 7 years time, you still don't have a better go-to article / post / comparison than something that doesn't even use fuji images
interesting you specify it's worse for jpg, and not just simply worse for raw too

I think the market share and general userbase of fuji vs leica speaks for itself and settles the fuji-leica war.

One is for instagram
The other is for the museum of modern art

One is for the 1% of consumerist fools
The other is for the 1% of bored richfags, AKA real artists

Fuji has scam technology that doesnt improve anything and makes red/blue textures render worse (xtrans)
Leica has non-scam technology that improves even sensor illumination to make it perform better with lenses designed for film (steep light rays hitting the edges of conventional sensors scatter due to digitals thick cover glass, which film lacks, leica has specially curved microlenses to gather more of this recently lost light)

Fuji is mostly just aping Nikon's film era designs, and possibly aping Nikon period, since Nikon was the OG in running retro cameras for way too long, but overall they pull inspiration from everyone but themselves. Fuji(ca) has never made an original or revolutionary camera body.
Leica has been making their own designs forever and never copying anyone else. Everyone else copies them. Even Nikon copied them. Even Canon copied them. They are the original, like Fender and Ferrari.

Fuji "simulates" film, which is impossible on digital, recognizing that their users have no interest in film and just want something superficially retro to throw on top of their 40fps with snoy AF digital snapshits
Leica still makes a brand new film camera you can buy today, recognizing that their users have an eye for the unique painterly appearance and soulful experience of film photography

>>4305285
can we see some of your images?

>>4305285
This is the truth. Most fuji users are pretenders at best… have you seen /fag/, when they post photos instead of lens tests? Literal snapshots of sidewalks. It’s almost like using the brand comes with a style, developed by watching shitty pseud camera reviews on youtube kind of like the nikon tendency towards UWA HDR landscapes and birds. There is more photographic integrity in dog pics and tourism photography.

Fuji is simply not a serious camera brand and it does not appeal to serious photographers. They are closer to a toy brand. And leica is a jewelry brand for richer posers. Most magnum photographers i know the kit of adapt leica’s lenses to sony/canon bodies.

>>4305289
Can we see some of YOUR images?

>>4305291
Man you're really sure of yourself.

>>4305291
sure, to get you started >>4301808, >>4298865, >>4303209, ive posted a few hundred over the last few years, lots of collages too
some are leica, some are fuji, some are nikon
now you, and thank you for posting as I'm sure you will, it helps add context to the perspective

>>4305303
On the /p/ ranking you’re near huskyfag and hairy negatives desu sorry. Same gearfag that was doing ai upscale tests to argue about four thirds?

Can isi or someone please demonstrate what photography is really about?

Why would you ever want a manual focus camera? Shit is fucking dogshit. "oh, another ruined street shot, I guess if I shoot at f18 I could get it in focus, maybe"

>>4305307
>Can isi or someone please demonstrate what photography is really about?
Why can't you?

cANON

>>4305291
>magnum photographers
That's an oxymoron, most of what gets published by Magnum isn't even photography but upsold snapshits.

Anonymous

>>4305220
>smaller sensor and inferior color filter array
just take the photo

>>4305220
>Fujinon lenses are inferior
this really depends on which lens and at what aperture and whether or not you're just looking for clinical sharpness and contrast. my favorite leica lenses are old, the 35mm v2 summilux, the 50mm summarit f/1.4... but they are far from clinically perfect

Is it worth trying out the digital M's for the first time with an M 240?

>>4305993
if you want imperfect optics just buy a dslr, then you also get a real ovf

>>4306024
Absolutely that’s a great camera. Just a little chonky. I’d try to stretch for an M10 for a better experience.

>>4305993
Have you seen the Light Lens Lab 8 element 35 summicron? I have the 50 Elcan reproduction they made, it’s exquisite. This is it on the Z6.

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>>4306044
>tfw learned to recognize capture one fake grain

>>4297439
>>4297441
>>4297442
>>4297443
>>4297446
if it wasnt for leicas nice rendering lenses, these images would look like shit.
leicas god tier lenses are carrying the full weight of 99% of these images on their backs.

imagine seeing these shots taken with a sigma or tamron or some other cheapo garbage lens, where there is no contrast, washed out colors, obliterated highlight/shadow balance, etc., etc...

pure dogshit... its like giving a rich daddys boy one of those new 2024 ferraries that basically does the driving for you and then the spoilt, snobbish rat makes a TOP20 lap time around the track and brags how hes a pro driver now... like, no bitch, youre driving a ferrarri that does 0-100 in 2.4 seconds and does all the driving for you and youre racing against people in hondas, hyundais and bmws

>>4306070
newest version of capture one has the realistic grain option thats based off popular, old film cameras and its a 100% copy of the grain pattern. not even a computer program can recognize the difference.

>>4297568
Wow so you borrowed dad's camera to post big whoop

>>4305993
arri scientists said that if you laser finish and polish glass elements with main focus on sharpness and CA control, you get clearer glass and better sharpness and CA control but start to drastically lose contrast. they said it took them decades to figure out a technique where they can push out maximum sharpness out of a lens, without losing on contrast and that they had to make custom made machinery to achieve that.

aside from nikon, canon and voigtlander (and some sony glass and shitty old lenses) theres literally no one that would be considered competition to them in the current market when it comes to contrast retention. sigma, tamron and samyang are still copying old zeiss glass designs 1to1 and dont have the budget to buy expensive machinery to do what nikon, canon, sony and voigtlander are doing, so they just push for sharpness, sharpness and only sharpness....... laowa, 7artisans and others in the same bunch are stuck in early 2000's, copying either each others terrible glass designs or trying to copy sigma, tamron or samyang (who are copying old zeiss designs) and just keep failing miserably....... mitakon (and fuji) have like 5 good lenses that accidentally turned out to be on the level of nikon, canon, zeiss, leica...etc. and their budgest are dropping lower and lower each year. (although, mitakon just had some huge investment waves in 2021 from random chinese investors and all lenses they made since were god tier so we will see what happens next...)

and thats about it... we need a new lens manufacturer, because sigma, tamron, samyang and the rest are simply not it...
and voigtlander and mitakon make mainly manual focus lenses..

i hate ''gearfagging'' about lenses but ive been stuck doing portraits and weddings with my 3 zeiss otus lenses for 10 years and my 2 nikkor lenses for 16 years now..... they look run down more than a prostitutes vagina and im getting bored being forced to shoot with the same 5 lenses for ALMOST TWO DECADES NOW

the sublimity of luxury goods. logos are magical runes that infuse materials with a special irreplicable quality.

>>4306106
>Leica
>Competition
Their lenses are objectively mediocre, in nearly every way, and there is not one quantifiable metric you can come up with to "spot the leica". Even the color transmission is so inconsistent as to be brandless.

A lens is good, or it is not, after copy variation. Brandfagging lenses is a waste of time other than the fact that fujinon lenses seem to have a habit of breaking. I used to shop around for fuji gear before going mirrorless and fuji was up there among the ones most likely to yield half a page of parts only listings, something more typical of gear from the 90s.

>>4306044
yea that's a pretty good value i think. iq 9000 /p/ post

>>4306107
People have been fooled by my fake rolex daytona for 3 years now ahahahahaha

China making feicas when? They must know how. They make snoys and probably make most of leica’s parts.

>>4306120
>leica lenses are mediocre
leica, voigt, nikon and zeiss are the only 4 manufacturers who CONSISTENTLY made god tier lenses from 1930's til today
(besides MF manufactures and cine shit)

>>4306322
All 4 of these consistently released horribly bad lenses as well but if you're a fanboy it's a soulful lens and if you're not a fanboy it's a bad one with a brandfag markup

oouugh fuuuuuckkkkk...

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>>4308106
i need to get a summifucks just so i can smear vaseline on the front and take 80's style snapshits with it
bet that'll pull some chains

>>4297438

The images from the Leica sub might be bad, but still better than 99% of the images posted here.

It doesn‘t matter what camera you use. If there was a cheap APSC or MFT camera that offered the same shooting experience as Leica, I would buy those instead. After years of Sony plastic and using a X-Pro 2 I tried a friends M240, the experience immediately sold me on Leica.

Photography should be fun. Who cares what gear you are using or what anyone else thinks? Yes, the sub is cringe and pretentious, but so is /p/. I have never seen a good image posted here, but that‘s just my opinion, and you should 100% ignore it and just enjoy photography.

I thought like this until I bought a Leica and realized that yeah, belonging to a hundred-year-long lineage of photographers and their equipment might legitimize some of the work I do. That's the real use of Leica: vetting. If you have a Leica, you're automatically "in".

>99% of the posts are showing off someone's purchase
that's all of reddit, site is plastered with desperate attention whores.

>>4308731
>>4309185
>>4297438
i have not observed a single subreddit or discord or online community where interesting photographers (with any type of camera) are posting content. the photos are usually of nothing, taking little or no risk, and do nothing in particular. its mostly hobbyists trying to learn their cameras, i guess. it's very boring. im only interested in a few instagrams that i follow.

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>>4308784
You could apply the same logic to buying a nikon, but then you're associating with actual good photojournalists, not the shitty photographer equivalent to a beatnik "poet" that just so happened to be jewish and live in close proximity to new york or hollywood.

>>4309296
you are not associating with anyone by using a camera brand, faggot

>>4309287
anyone here use this lens? i like how it looks but i'm a bit concerned about the min focus distance. is there a click or any sort of tactile indication that you've gone shorter than 0.7m?

>>4300930
Nice horsey

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>>4301808
thought this was the guy above you's picture and got excited and thought "hey he took a good one"

There are 4 types of Leicamen

>1. "Affluent but clueless"
Utterly clueless but benign, just bought a leica because it is the most expensive and therefore the best, simple as. Likely uses a 1D to shoot his cat and a Noctilux to shoot action figures.

>2. "I just want a Leica, I JUST want a Leica"
They want a leica just because they want a leica and they will never be happy without a leica. Probably bought an MP/MA on finance or own an M8. Would probably make identical images with a Cosina CT-1.

>3. "It takes the best photos"
Are under the impression that leica cameras simply produce the best photos, end of. Most likely to be a retired dentist. 'Glow', 'Emotion', 'Build quality' etc. Thinks a 12-month CLA turnaround is "reasonable" for german "quality".

>4. "The Collector"
Just collects them like people collect watches. Probably does not even use them.

cANON

>>4309503
>Thinks a 12-month CLA turnaround is "reasonable" for german "quality"
Of course, that's why every Leicaman needs a second one, as a backup.
You can't rush art.

Anonymous

>>4309503
>Cosina CT-1.
hey those are pretty nice for what they are

>>4309503
>They want a leica just because they want a leica and they will never be happy without a leica.
No one else makes a camera that fits the bill.
>Compact
>Full frame
>Still compact after attaching non-shit lenses
>Not a snoy

>>4309485
0.7m is fine for taking a headshot. this is how i am using the 28mm elmarit

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>>4309612
incredible camera/lens combination.

>>4309485
i think the type 1 version looks way cooler and has a minimum focusing distance of 0.7m

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>>4309721
>f11
>28mm

Your photos will be LITERALLY indistinguishable from iPhone shots.

>>4309728
not my problem

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>>4309726
it is neato but i don't like the big flange. and if i wanted that design, i'd most likely go with the cheaper ttartisan version.
>>4309721
i'm mostly worried about how it'll go shorter than the range of my rangefinder and shorter than other lenses when snapping to min focus distance by feel

>>4309728

by f11 the difraction glow on highlights will mog any iphone shot

>>4309729
based "i'm just gonna shoooot" man.

Sugar

>>4309724

I take back everything I said about Leicafags.

I get it now. After servicing the Summitar, yeah, I get it. Shits dope.

Anonymous

>>4309854
is it true, diffusion filter salesmen have been scamming us for what we can get by just setting the camera to f11?

>>4297518
>>4297543
are you rich from photography or did you start out rich? nice camera either way but i am curious

>>4309977
>rich
m8o
everything you see in that photo is well within the realm of a line of credit, or a single guy with no kids and a unionized blue collar job (tradies can make $70k a year living in a place where a decent existence costs $40k a year). it's ridiculously attainable. 4chan posters have the most distorted perception of wealth on the internet. It's like everyone here is from the third world or eastern europe.

Although photography is an "expensive hobby", at the peak it's still cheaper motorcycles, cars, boats, guns, watch collecting, etc and for perspective on financial decisions most perfectly normal people with no achievements to warrant it finance $40k+ commuter crossovers when a $9000 2018 does the same thing, often better, without the heated seats as DLC.

>>4309979
>redditors be like
>hard day at the construction site, overtime's worth the money
>time to order $25,000 in camera gear
>yep, everything else i buy this year is going to be a literal funko pop, the budget for figurative ones is all used up
>still covering bills and no debt btw
>also no kids

>>4309981
>regular dingus dad salary
>$25,000 in camera gear
>covering bills and no debt
>no kids
sounds like you figured it out

>>4309871
Which part was your revelation? For me it was the actually good viewfinder and razor sharp focus patch.

All you fags with $3,500 A7R bodies and $2,500 G-master lenses could have had a used Leica M/SL2 body and a Summicron but instead prefer to think you’re these budget thrifty hipster gods. I had a used M240 for $2400 and sold it for $2800. And now I shoot a used SL2. Also Voigtlander M lenses are no more expensive than normal mirrorless lenses and often outperform their Leica counterparts, the f2 Ultrons for example. Don’t even get me started on you retards lining up for a CHINESE made X100VI for $1,700.

>>4297515
What bodies do you own now and how much did you pay? M240 bodies are not expensive at all compared to normal mirrorless bodies.

>>4297761
I sold my 35mm FLE and have regretted it since. But recently got a Voigtlander 35 Ultron and INSTANTLY got that magic back. The 28 ultron is like shooting a Q as well. If people buy the right Voightie lenses they can be amazing but there are a lot of duds out there.

>>4297758
Find a used M240 for $2,200. Immediately buy a used v2 Voigtlander Ultron f2 for $500. If you want a cheap 50mm then I’m not sure, the Zeiss 50s are good but can be sterile. The Zeiss Sonnar has too much character and the Planar has too little. The M240 has unique colors that the newer rangefinders don’t have. The tint was weird on it so you get blue and purple in the shadows, I loved it when I had it.

>>4297761
What’s a smaller 50 APO? I already have a hefty summilix but wouldn’t mind getting a smaller Voigtlander to replace it and free up $3,000. I’m open to f2 to save weight. I am completely sold on the Ultrons, obviously since I can’t stop talking about them.

>>4297771
If someone wanted to have an SL on the cheap they can just get a Panasonic S5ii. The raw files look almost identical, you’re just sacrificing the nice UI simplicity of the SL, but saving weight. And any L mount lenses can just be used on an SL someday and obviously all the M lenses. I use my M lenses on the SL2 and even pop them on my micro four thirds for a lighter weight setup and the new LUMIX Leica Monochrome profile looks great on M43. And even handheld 100mp hi-res shots with Leica glass on M43 works flawlessly. This whole board has never thought outside the Sony mind control.

>>4300809
I like my Leica glass but you sound like a fag. Something to consider these days is that companies have basically perfected the method of getting extremely sharp and clinical results in any affordable lens. So buying a lens off sharpness tests isn’t as useful these days. They will look very flat, albeit sharp. Sigma does this, and the new Nikon Z cheap primes. Something about the Leica glass does some clinical sharpness but the falloff and background has a more natural and vintage render. Voigtlander and Zeiss pull this off a lot too on some models.

>>4300841
Because people that own leicas own other cameras too. I’m not brand loyal at all. I wouldn’t even buy a Leica body if any other company made a rangefinder.

>>4310067
Not a question and no I quite like this one. Might even pick up a 7artisans 50 1.1 down the line.

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you've got to try some leica glass or some voigtlander. doesn't have to be a knock deluxe. you just get that "I literally don't need another lens" feeling with a really nice one.

>>4310081
I probably will later, I'm saving for a trip rn so camera purchases are off the table for the foreseeable future.

>>4310056
I honestly like the 50 nokton f1.5 II as my small 50, thought they'd be updating it to a v3, but they're launching a small 50 f2.2 soon

Sugar

>>4310024

The optics on the Summilux and the fit and finish, wide open at f/2 it still glows and doesn't get soft like Russian and Japanese lenses do.

I did put my 20/5.6 Russar on it and it's a good lens as well which is why they cost so god damn much for something made by Communism. I think I'll find a cheap Hektor 135 and maybe a Leitz 35 or a 90 and call it a day on this kit. Maybe some Voigtlander lenses, but the Russar is the only Soviet lens that will ever grace it.

If you put chink lenses on a fucking Leica neck yourself faggot, the whole purpose of owning a Leica is the Leitz lenses. I could go the rest of my life shooting on this Summitar and never need another lens.

>>4310075

You're a poser faggot for putting chink shit glass on a god damn Leica >>4310075 that shit looks soft as fuck and would probably get pushed in by a Series E 50/1.8.

Anonymous

>>4310273
But you can put those lenses on a canikony or a bessa or anything with a short mount big deal

>>4310275
whats your problem? ride your own bike

>>4310281
I would love an updated version of this camera. I love the mechanical shutter. no lcd necessary i just need 24 megapixels because im printing

>>4309296
I was going to write something about Nikon and Canon as a follow up but I thought people like you would remember the fact that Leica literally started 135 still photography and that Nikon and Canon were inferior copycats for the better part of a century. But I guess I'm a little too charitable, or naive, or whatever.

>>4308784
>might legitimize some of the work I do
it won't
>>4309296
>you're associating with actual good photojournalists.
no you're not.
>>4310435
i don't know if this is a troll or not but the nikon f along with the leica m2 basically ended the vietnam war.

i am considering the M2 as an alternative to the M6 0.58x, but i use flash, and it looks like you need a pc sync adaptor plus a hotshoe cable that lets you plug in the pc sync. sounds complicated but if its reliable i guess its fine? i am attaching/detaching the flash cable every time i take the camera in or out of my bag.

>>4310273
Most of the Leica SL lenses are made in Japan by Sigma and Panasonic. But yeah TT artisans and 7 Artisans usually suck and even if their design is good in some models it’s almost impossible to get a good copy. I had a great 7 Artisans Z mount 35mm f.95 one time though, but any M mount I tried wasn’t very good.

>>4310435
>Leica literally started 135 still photography
why do leica homosexuals so blatantly lie to themselves and everyone else?
>picrel, leica was literally german Apple, didn't invent shit, didn't revolutionize anything, but convinced morons that it did, apparently.

>>4310573
i don't know what that article is but oscar barnack invented the 35mm camera by designing the first leicas

>>4310574
curious that barnack is supposedly credited with "inventing" the 35mm camera in prototype form in 1914, when at the same time, multiple 35mm film cameras were actually for sale in america. Yet more leicasexual delusion and lies.

>>4310576
is it a "135 still photography" camera, yes or no? Don't move the goalposts with your response please.

no you're right that looks like a super practical design

i can't believe leica stole the idea to make a movie film stills camera from these guys and then had the audacity to flip the frame on its side to get a bigger negative without even asking them first i hope they gave royalties

I'm a self-avowed wannabe leicafag. I want a leica S system because it's larger-than-135 and it's still reflex-based.<br>And, no, I'm not about to buy a fujicope and put a wannabe red-dot on it.

someone should call ken rockwell's family

>>4310576
even a leicasexual blog admits that the leica wasn't the first 35mm still camera, why won't you faggots? No, "the first popular", "the first commercially successful", "the first that resembles a camera we know" are not the same as "literally started 135 still photography"
https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/2022/<wbr>07/pre-leica-35mm-cameras.html
before you ask, no, i'm not mad, but i AM autistic, thanks.

The 35mm still photography camera was not invented until the first SLR was. Sorry, leicaboys. Photography was actually Russian invention.
>he first 35mm prototype SLR was the "Filmanka" developed in 1931 by A. Min in the Soviet Union. In 1933 A.O. Gelgar developed the "GelVeta" also in the USSR, later renamed Cпopт ("Sport").
And then, germans lied and claimed they developed the SLR (by stealing the russian invention and making more copies because america was giving them free money and debt forgiveness)
Everything prior to the SLR is just cope. Might as well use a dark slide in front of a roll film back and a ground glass if it's going to work like a shitty press camera.

Rangefinders are just yet another awkwardly stuck on viewfinding-thing that doesn't actually do its job well, just like that dumb guestimating crosshair. Might as well have a height-of-a-man scale like they put on combat larp scopes. SLRs allow you to actually focus the lens. I see absolutely no difference between a leica and this >>4310576 besides the rangefinder apparatus being taller and enclosed in the same shell as the body.

SLR = camera
Rangefinder = "camera"

>>4310585
>not the same as literally started
>but i AM autistic

I bless you my brother, may your struggles be light and kind to you throughout your life. Please go home.

im sure it was basically on in the heads of like 9000 camera makers as soon as film got fast enough to shoot movies with. and the design that won the first wave was the barnack. or did the first genius to take a still photo using a bolex or whatever (I don't know anything about movie cameras) win?

>>4310586
This just reads like you can't focus quickly with a rangefinder, which is fine, it's not for everyone, but maybe don't be so fucking weird about it next time?

>>4310586
>Rangefinders are just yet another awkwardly stuck on viewfinding-thing
and it used to be that the rangefinder was separate from the viewfinder, so the photographer had to move his eye around to compose and to focus.
rangefinder focus also precludes the use of tele lenses above 85/90mm due to short base length

>>4310592
again, the statement made was "literally started 135 still photography" >>4310435
, which is objectively FALSE. popularized it, made it accessible, brought it to the masses, standardized it, changed it, whatever else you want to say, sure, fine. but NOT "literally started".

>>4310593
You can't focus period with a rangefinder because you're just guessing the distance. Sorry.

35mm cameras were not modern, usable, and well designed until the 35mm SLR, which was a Russian invention.

Barnack invented jewelry. At best.

>>4310598
Do you know how rangefinders work?

>>4310602
Yes I have repaired several and sold them to stupid hipsters who think they're faster to focus, when really the only fast part is how sloppy they are with their 28mm f16 street snapshits.

>>4310603
Yeah, he did. Real photography is when you can look through the lens. Everything else is cope. Just look at the state of leica - they're a jewelry company. They don't even attempt to compete. They don't even attempt to pretend they can be used for journalism. They already know every photographer worth caring about would rather look through a lens. Rangefinders are so dumb even most magnum "photographers" have use DSLRs or mirrorless instead of leicas.

how could they possibly compete with the iphone

>>4310606
even iphones give you a view through the lens, but it's a digital one with live editing. enough to replace a lightbulb with the moon, and god knows what else

we should be glad computational photography has not spread through mirrorless beyond very basic, photoshop-tier stuff - except for sony, clear image zoom is AI enhanced images

technology is amazing

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>>4310583
Get a Pentax 645Z, the lenses are great and cheap. If you want a Leica get an SL or M.

>>4310598
You’ve never used a rangefinder.

journalists use mirrorless cameras with big zoom lenses on them. sounds like fun

I'm going to be purchasing a Leica M6 at some point this year.
Between the voigtlander 35mm f1.4 nokton and the 35mm f2 ultron which do you Anons recommend?
I wouldn't mind the extra light on the nokton, but pic related is shot wide open on it and honestly looks rather ugly. The lens coma is especially pushing me towards the ultron.

>>4311129
i have the nokton but i rarely shoot it wide open. pic related was around f2 i think. never tried the ultron, but that seems more your speed if you don't like messy images

>>4311428
Shit that actually looks pretty nice. I guess the worst of the flaws in the design disappear when stopped down.
I like somewhat messy images, but the example I posted previously just feels bad, not even interesting.
I have seen quite a lot of nice images with the lens wide open as well however.

>>4311584
perhaps, but having to stop down in the dark somewhat negates the advantage of the bigger max aperture. not to mention how hard it would be to hit focus at 1.4 in the dark.
 here's another with the nokton >>4304154. don't remember what f stop but i think you just have to watch out for highlights in the corners on this lens. coma like in the street corner pic you posted doesn't bother me however. the nokton (single coated) is my only m lens rn and i chose it specifically because i wanted the flaws and flares.