I've bought an Epson L8180. How do I find the real DPI of the printer? The data sheet states "5760x1440dpi" but surely that can't be right.

>>4312357
What will that accomplish if I don't print some specific test chart?

I don't know for sure but just making some assumptions. First off I'm assuming the DPI is different in each direction due to the method used i.e. in one axis it's moving the print head, in the other it's moving the paper. Only the lowest resolution is what really matters so that's 1440 DPI. Because there's 3 colours if we divide that by 3 we get 480 coloured pixels per inch which seems like a reasonable number.

>>4312355
All EPSON printers operate at 1440 DPI.
This is 5760 dots for the CMYK, and 1440 steps vertically per inch with the stepper motors.

Some models do 2880 but that's just finer stepper motors, the 5760 is usually the same and this is divided by the colors (CMYK) so it's 5760/4=1440, you can at most do 1440 DPI in pure black. This is what comes out of the nozzles. 1440 DPI per color.

>>4312377
2/2
To add to this, this literally means that yes if you have a vector image or logo you need to be aware.
Also if you have images that exist at 300 PPI, you will need to interpolate them to fit 1440 DPI printing or let the printer handle that scaling.

If you're looking for 1:1 input-output with a 300 DPI file you need to use HP/Canon/Brother who use 1200 DPI for their nozzles.
EPSON is essentially fucking retarded and "special" here, with a hardware DPI value literally nobody has content designed for. This means if you're trying to print test targets and do macro shots, you will see nothing but problems.
Paper bleed blurs prints a little and masks the issue but the fact is the image is already blurred before the print even begins when trying to print a 1800x1200 image for a 6x4 print on an EPSON because it's incapable of directly translating that to ink droplets without INTERPOLATING.

>>4312378
So far I've tried some test prints on the 5"x7" Ultra Glossy Photo Paper and wasn't really happy with the result. Perhaps because I was sending the wrong resolution to the printer letting it do the interpolation instead of me.
So when you say 1440 DPI that means for a 5"x7" photo I need to send a 7200x10080px image? Correct?

>>4312381
Yes, exactly.
When you send a 1500x2100 pixel image (300PPI 5x7) to a printer it will simply upscale it (by itself) to function at its actual hardware res. If you have more real pixels to feed it, do so. If not, consider just upscaling with nearest neighbor to match the machine's res to prevent it making mistakes or upsampling it in a way you don't like.

On most brands 300 DPI files can be losslessly upsampled with nearest neighbor pixel doubling/quadrupling but if you have 300 DPI files those will always be somewhat lossy when printed on an EPSON.
EPSONs are technically higher res but since they exist outside of the traditional values it's kind of not an ideal situation.

Not all droplets will be pixel detail, paper bleed and droplet spread exist but feeding appropriate resolution files to prevent digital resampling in printer firmware can still be beneficial.
For ultra quality just know there's a reason why people do paperwork with laser printers, they're sharper, and can do like 2400+ DPI for very crisp lettering. Inkjets are always not as sharp but they have smooth color gradations and the ability to produce nice looking photo prints. Not suitable for view under a microscope, but good in person.

>See anything related about Printing
>See everything is gravitating to 300 dpi or ppi
Why 300 is the golden number in DPI? Why not 100 or 500 or 1000?

>>4312385
>just know there's a reason why people do paperwork with laser printers
SPEED

>>4312443
>Why 300 is the golden number in DPI
it is twice as much as 150, which in turn is the nice rounded number which is twice as much as 72, which is what resolution dot matrix printers had.

>>4312355
>The data sheet states "5760x1440dpi" but surely that can't be right.
The printer is capable of laying down dots at that resolution. That's how it's able to reproduce so many tones and colors with its ink set. Extremely fine halftoning.

However, you may not actually be able to feed that resolution to the printer and expect to see it on paper. Obviously not with shades of gray and colors since you need multiple dots to simulate the tones and colors. Each pixel you feed the printer breaks down into a set of dots. But even with pure black and white line art, the printer driver probably scales input to 720x720 or 1440x1440 before figuring out the halftone.

Years ago, when I got my 3880, I remember testing it to try and figure out what resolution could actually be sent to the printer using B&W line art. I seem to remember seeing improvement all the way to 1440 ppi. So on pure B&W, which means one ink, the printer was able to accept/render 1440 ppi. This requires special paper, i.e. your typical office paper has a dot bleed size larger than 1/1440.

On color photographs there was no improvement beyond 720 ppi, even on sections that had a pure black line on a pure white background. Beyond that I found that
- 180 ppi was acceptable for most shots.
- 240 ppi saw a large improvement over 180 ppi.
- There was some improvement to 360 ppi, but you really had to look for it.
- On carefully crafted images you could see improvement to 720 ppi in monochromatic areas, suggesting photographs are scaled to 720 ppi before halftone. But otherwise there was nothing to see between 360 ppi and 720 ppi.
- By that time the scaling algorithms in the printer driver were already so good that hitting a multiple of the printer's resolution didn't matter. 240, 235, 245, 252 ppi etc. all came out the same.

>>4312378
>Also if you have images that exist at 300 PPI, you will need to interpolate them to fit 1440 DPI printing or let the printer handle that scaling.
>If you're looking for 1:1 input-output with a 300 DPI file you need to use HP/Canon/Brother who use 1200 DPI for their nozzles.
By the late 2000's the driver scaling was so good that this does not matter at all. You don't need to scale your 300 ppi image, and sending data at a multiple of the print head resolution or not makes no difference.

The only reason to scale in PS is if you have a very low resolution image because you can take steps to try and smooth out jaggies. If you send 72 ppi to the printer it's going to faithfully reproduce it and you will be able to see the stair steps. But 300 vs. 360 vs something odd like 305 is irrelevant. If 300 ppi is what you've got, it's what you're going to see on a good photo paper.

>when trying to print a 1800x1200 image for a 6x4 print on an EPSON because it's incapable of directly translating that to ink droplets without INTERPOLATING.
None of these printers "directly" translate the pixels to ink droplets. All of them scale to something they want internally and then apply a halftone.


pinhole cameras

Anonymous

I've been trying to get into pinhole cameras lately. Does any anon here ever practiced solargraphy? Need some tips and tricks.

>>4313143
Only quick attempts, while making a pinhole out of a Fed 2 box

Its a lot of fun, use ilford photo paper and it's cheap too

If I remember correctly, using an aluminium can is one of the best ways to set up one of these; cut off the top, put photo paper in, place and unmask pinhole, wait a year and come back, no processing necessary before scanning

Making the pinhole is the hardest part

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>>4313143
I've made two for a photography course and I also have one filming right now since the new year, planning to stop filming in midsummer.

I've used a film canister for my solargraphs. Cut a square hole to the side and put a piece of aluminum or similar material where you make the hole.

Whatever material you use, try to keep the hole as small as possible and clean the edges with sandpaper.

>>4313347
that's when you realize a 0.3mm hole is fucking hard to make by hand, and that's almost the minimum to get any resolution

Though nice job on yours, it looks pretty great
Do you have a pic of the cannister after you modified it?

>>4313372
Pic was taken with the one on the right. Left was okay too but a bit more blurry. I used a regular pin needle to make the hole.

>>4313685
Here's the one taken with the left one.

Pictures were digitized with a regular DSLR with two lights pointing the photo paper in a 45 degree angle. Exposure checked with a gray paper beforehand.

>>4313347
>>4313690
How long did you expose these for? Judging by the sun rings I'd guess around 3-4 weeks, right? Also, did you develop them or just scanned them as they are?

>>4313334
I wonder where did those white marks come from

>>4313704
About three weeks is correct, since the exposing time was tied to the duration of the course. I scanned them as they were, no need to develop solarographs.

>>4313705
I know some people do develop solargraphs but if I recall correctly that's if you just use one of those semi-diy pinhole boxes for 20-30 seconds of exposure.


Hey Anons.
Dumping some photos I've re-edited recently with some new tools.
Would love to hear some thoughts on the edits.
Starting with a photo of a squatted building in Amsterdam.

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>>4313432
I've edited all these photos with dehancer, which I've been messing around with using the free trial.
It attempts to emulate various film stocks.

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>>4313433
This is supposed to be Ilford XP2.

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>>4313434
I don't have enough experience to say whether any of these resemble the films they're supposed to, but I do feel that the colours I get using the tool feel a bit more refined than what I was getting before.

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>>4313436
This is from King's day in Amsterdam.

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>>4313437
From Berlin. Not a great photo, but I found the building interesting, it looks like it's from the national socialist era.

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>>4313438

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>>4313439
Long exposure over a highway. For this I tried Lomography purple. Not entirely sure I like it.

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>>4313442
From a very greasy punk concert I went to. Later in the night when the music was forced to move inside I watched someone get flipped by the crowd.

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>>4313443
This shot would've been much nicer if it had been in focus.

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>>4313444
Another shot with fake Ilford XP2.
Could've been nicer with more detail.

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>>4313445
Outside of the city hall of 's-Hertogenbosch.
I find it weird thinking we live in historic times.

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>>4313448
Berlin skyline.
A lot of the detail was destroyed by the fake Ilford XP2. I think if my camera had more than 12mp it would have worked better.

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>>4313449
This is supposed to be Portra 400.

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>>4313451
Cat I met while on a bikeride.
Fake portra 400.
This'll be the last photo I share.

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>>4313452
>>4313451
Looks nothing like portra, more like “fujifilm digital superia x-tra 800”

>>4313454
Here's a test with "portra 400" without any of the other processing I do in lightroom.

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how do i shoot my own passport photo

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I don’t think you’d be able to make it through an airport, there’s a lot of words and numbers involved, much harder than taking a photo of yourself against a white background.

>Tripod
>Set focus point with a broom or some shit
>Put a quarter on the ground where the focus point was
>set timer
>stand on quarter
>click
ezpz

>>4312896
I don't think you're allowed to. I had to go to the post office to get mine done and all that dude did was place me against a blank wall and use a piece of shit point and shoot nikon, so I'm sure if you wanted to fake it, it wouldn't be that hard. You definitely need to get another light source though, I don't think shadows are allowed

>>4313233
>I don't think shadows are allowed
>Soulless bureaucrats supressing art
Doesn't surprise me

>>4312896
You COULD technically take your own photo, but the government doesn't want every idiot with a shitty phone camera sending in wrong sized, formatted, lighting photos. So they've regulated it a bit to have approved vendors who follow the specifics to do it. It's also another step in the accountability department, another level of security that can be traced.

>>4312896
Super easy, taken ~500ish passport photos over the years. Just do direct / on-camera flash with a white wall several feet behind you. Use a template like picrel to size appropriately.
It can be rejected for harsh shadows on the face or background (like OP), hair obstructing the face (longer hair tuck behind ears), weird exposure/processing. There are plenty examples online of what will / wont be rejected.

>>4313233
>>4313302
US doesn't care at all provided it meets the criteria above. Doesn't matter who took them, who printed, and there's not even date verification either. It used to be a decent side hustle for some people given how easy it is. There was a brief time where you could do it all online too, even easier to submit a digital file than than the 2x2 prints.
Canada was second most common for me, and those required a stamp (with our store), date and initials (we certify the image).

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>>4313233
Nigga my national ID pic was a phone selfie in front of a white wall until I had to renew it and they forced me to take a new photo.

>>4313233
i've shot a bunch of foreigners, all you need is a flash and a wall

>>4313233
>I don't think you're allowed to.
If you're in UK then yes you can. I took both my and my wife's - passports issued with no issues. I used a sheet for a neutral light background, a DSLR on a tripod and an IR remote release. Then I down loaded an app on my iPad that cropped the image correctly, uploaded it to a cloud storage and gave me a reference number I could use on the application.

>>4313357
>>4313320
I guess it depends where you live. It seems to be all different.

>>4313330
If you're foreign, shoot without a warning, call me paparazzi.

>>4313395
That has potential to be a great bar. Work it out and put it on a moonman rap

>>4313415
It's part of a Mr. Bond original: "Supa Nazi".
Catchy as hell.

>>4312896
Use at least 50mm lens (around 80mm is best) or you'll look like shit. If shooting with a phone, zoom in 2-3x since the normal lens is usually equivalent to 24 to 35mm range.
If you don't have lights, do it if a cloudy day to get diffuse light. Sit or stand dead on towards light source (eg. window). Try around noon. Don't even think about shooting with artificial lights that are not studio lights or flashes (like household bulbs, especially CFLs or LEDs), it will look like shit.
Or just don't be a cheap shit and pay $15 to a teenager at CVS to have it done semi-completely.

How is this such a burning question that warrants so much debate? Find a white or very light wall. Try to position a light source so that there isn’t a big shadow behind you.
Take a selfie.
If you need to make changes to dimensions or erase shadow or lighten up the wall to white, most basic photo editing software can do this easy.
I haven’t done a US passport renewal yet, but most countries have switched or have digital forms with photo upload options, so you don’t even need to special print the photos anymore.


some of this year's photos so far

I've selected a couple of photos from this year to share and get some criticism if you guys will
The sequence is not chronological but rather loosely based on themes, whether of subjects or medium experimentations
Anyway, here it is

this one is kinda cheating because it's from last year, but it was taken on december 28th or 29th so fuck it

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more asphalt-installing machines<br>but another place, another day

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looks like it was taken in Hollywood's rendition of Mexico

literal garbage

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last one
shred me to pieces

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>>4313173
you look like you make poor decisions but stick with them n make them good decisions belatedly

>>4313191
I don't know if you came to this conclusion from looking at me or at my photos, and I don't know if that's a good thing or bad
I can't say you're wrong, though

>>4313440
which Zach?
and why grim?
you got me curious

>>4313173
always remember before posting these are the people you argue with in here

>>4313447
this is you
>>4309912
the only difference is that you are shooting film

>>4313167
feel like this would have gotten /p/raise in the garbage thread

Not a big fan of the stitched photos, feels gimmicky for the sake of being gimmicky. But that might just be me.
In general the images seem a bit unfocussed I feel. I can't really tell what the subject is in a few especially >>4313157 and >>4313159

I like >>4313153 and >>4313149 a lot. Subject is clear and put into good context with them.
>>4313165
is good, but you could have gone a bit clearer in the intent.
Maybe a detail shot on the missing headlight, or contrast it with the modern car next to it.
I like the colours, I like your use of black and white especially.

>>4313447
>>4313666
not trying to deflect criticism or anything but that guy's photos have absolutely nothing in common with what I do
You can still not like my photos, of course, but saying the photos I posted are similar to that guy's just makes me think you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

>>4313478
thanks, man

>>4313579
not even an elaborate ad hominem

>>4313668
thanks! I didn't post there but I remember seeing it, which is why I shot this
Wanted to see if I could make a nice photo out of literal garbage, and I quite like it

>>4313676
thanks for taking the time and elaborating on your thoughts
>Not a big fan of the stitched photos, feels gimmicky for the sake of being gimmicky
I get it. In the B&W one I just wanted to get the whole truck and couldn't because of my lens' angle of view, so I thought it could work and found a way to fit it in a single image
The color one was made later, very recently, so I did it more consciously. Not something that I would do for every photo, sure, but those two times I thought it was a mean to get the photo I wanted even though I wouldn't be able to do it with the gear I had at the time
>In general the images seem a bit unfocussed I feel
Can you tell me with which ones do you feel it the most? Again, not trying to deflect it. I'm actively asking for criticism, but maybe because of my familiarity with the photos I can't see where they're unfocused. They all look properly focused to me (except for the last one, of course)
> I can't really tell what the subject is in a few especially >>4313157 (You) and >>4313159 (You)
For the first one the subject is the building. It's a beautiful museum with a large open area under it; its project was made by Lina Bo Bardi, and it's a brutalist building called MASP (Museu de Arte de São Paulo, "São Paulo's Art Museum")
>cont

>>4313712
>>4313676
I made this whole double film experiment and wanted to have the iconic red pillar on the underside of the photo along with the vivid scene of people strolling around in a pleasant sunny day, and the top part (where the building stands) in black and white, enforcing the cold grey colour of its concrete
The second photo needs a bit more context, I agree:
The museum is going through a restoration process
MASP's red pillars are some of the most iconic references in São Paulo (in Brazil; it's the biggest city in Latin America), and they're scraping off the paint in order to restore the building
So the pillars, which have been bright red since 1991, are now back to being grey as they were since the museum's inauguration in 1947
Having it stripped off of its vivid colour and replaced by the coldness of harsh concrete feels weird and cold, and I wanted to balance it with the couple going up the stairs
Picrel has a clearer view of the museum and the stairs and the grey pillar, and I like it but I think it lacks the human element of the couple going up the stairs

Thanks for the compliments on the other photos too
I agree the intent could be clearer with the fucked up old Fiat, it was maybe too descriptive
I was expecting that the car itself would 'tell a story' with the broken glass on the ground and the missing headlight, but maybe I could do more than just present it the way I found it
Could have lowered the angle, showed a bit more glass, focus more on the damaged parts
>I like the colours, I like your use of black and white especially.
Thanks a lot, and thanks again for the careful response and for making me rethink my decisions. It helps a lot

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Sorry but these photos are very boring and depressing. I don’t know what shithole you live in but you’ve managed to not capture one nice looking thing.

>>4313742
OP you have upset this person's eyes, and harmed his sensibilities. What say you?

>>4313776
oh my, if I were to know how deeply displeased and unsatisfied that random person would be I would never have even taken the lens cap off in the first place, much less would have I taken those photographs

no but seriously, I shoot what catches my attention
so, in short, I shoot what I find interesting, and not what is 'beautiful' or whatever
and those interesting things can be aesthetically pleasing as well, and it's on me as a photographer to portray stuff in a certain light (and it can be pretty or it can be repulsive or whatever)
The dent in the truck photos in the beginning of the thread, for example. It's a dent, it's not pretty, but it makes that truck different from the other ones, and in the context of the photograph I believe I managed to approach it in an aesthetically pleasing way: it has texture, an organic shape that at the same time is conflicting with the sense of 'indestructibility' of a gigantic truck like this one, and also complements its brute aspect

>>4313742
Only shooting conventionally pretty things to me is the equivalent to being a picky eater: it's childish, as if you didn't develop a proper palate, a proper sense of taste
Shooting cats and flowers and little cottages at the hillside can be nice, but only being able to appreciate that is kinda like those kids who only eat candy, cereals and random shit with copious amounts of corn syrup

Photography is not meant to be always pretty, it's a medium to express yourself
You can choose to express a wide range of emotions and impressions, or you can have a narrow and shallow approach of only showing beauty, which is not what I'm aiming for in the first place

>>4313787
>no but seriously, I shoot what catches my attention
Well you must have ADHD
>Photography is not meant to be always pretty, it's a medium to express yourself
Well express yourself man, but I am not seeing any intent with most of these. There is no composition, no playing with light and shadows, they are just photos of buildings probably taken at mid day.

Funnily enough the only interesting photo is your self portrait
>>4313173
Because you did played with the light and tried some perspective.

You wanted to be a /p/oster taking photos of building corners but unironically you might be better at taking portraits.

>>4313789
>You wanted to be a /p/oster taking photos of building corners but unironically you might be better at taking portraits.
kek I can live with that

>no but seriously, I shoot what catches my attention
>Well you must have ADHD
I like shooting urban scenes and its transformations, and its workers
hence why there are so many photos of trucks and machines and people working and the restoration of the museum etc.

>There is no composition
>no playing with light and shadows
I truly don't take criticism personally, I believe it's great for improving, but would you elaborate on that please?
because I'm honestly searching for some in-depth criticism so that I can think about it (and either incorporate that to my work or not, but at least think about it so that I make more conscious decisions in the future)
But just saying "oh it's bad", "you didn't shoot pretty things" is null
>picrel: pretty things

>>4313712
By unfocused I mean that they're lacking a clear subject. I didn't even notice the couple to be honest.
Try playing around with light in a scene to pull the viewers attention. In general we pay attention to the lightest parts of an image first. If you place your subject there, the viewer will naturally understand the context of what you're trying to show them.

This is tough to do in wide shots, mostly because wide shots are just tougher to get right. The wider the shot the more other things are in the image to distract your viewer.

>>4313801
thanks for the feedback
yeah, sometimes in wide shots it's tough to direct the viewer not only because there may be many things going on at once, but also because we have much less control over light
The most I can do for some subjects is select the time of the day (and the season etc.) that I go to shoot it
If I can't control light, I'll pay more attention to "control the light" in terms of the way I frame it


CanonRumors is dead!

And at the eve of the R5 MkII, when their traffic would be the absolute highest!

Where am I supposed to get my baseless speculation and clickbait now?

They were pulling everything out of their rear end anyways. Nothing of value was lost.<br>Canon is very good at not leaking info.

>>4313479
based good riddance
canon is the walmart camera

canon sent a hitman to cover up allegations of the r1 being delayed yet again

>>4313479
She probably worked for boeing

My only sadness is that it makes it harder to know when preorders will open. The R5 II will likely be sold out for months, so preordering immediately is a must.


Have you ever bought a lens only to return it to the store later because you needed it for a particular event?

I hesitate to do so because I don't need such lenses in the long term, just for special occasions, for example trying to photograph the stars with a lens that costs $2,000 and then returning it afterwards.

Have you ever done this? Because rentals are expensive and too restrictive

I have all the things I need because I'm not poor

>>4313672
>Have you ever done this?
no, because this is jew behavior. which makes it ok only if the store is jew-owned.
I just buy the lens or accessory I need outright. they always come in handy more than once.
also, if renting what you need is too expensive then whatever you're shooting isn't paying you right and as such, isn't worth the effort.

>>4313672
Happens all the time, which is why most stores will charge a restocking fee. Some may also deny the return entirely (and then you're stuck selling the lens used yourself), or block you from future purchases (and returns).
If you can't afford rental prices, you should focus less on stealing and more on raising your income.

>>4313672
Why would you do this? You clearly do need it, so just keep it for next time. It's okay to have lenses that only see infrequent use

>>4313692
>you should focus less on stealing and more on raising your income.
Stealing from corporations is morally righteous and the correct thing to do. Everyone should steal from corporations at every opportunity they get

>>4313684
claiming jews purchase things and then later return to use for free is an old antisemitic trope, nice try.

The behavior is scummy all around though

cANON

>>4313710
>an old antisemitic trope
It's stood the test of time for a reason.

Anonymous

You should keep it out of guilt and then sell it later to some Hasids in Brooklyn for 60% of what they will flip it for.

>>4313684
You can't do this as far as I'm concerned at the online based jew marketplaces like B&H or Adorama as they don't take returns if used/opened the box after purchase. I have bought a camera before and returned them due to disappointment, which is why I usually buy bodies/lenses I don't know about from original manufacturer, or best buy maybe. This is a place where returns are expected. Photography is picky.

>>4313822
>You can't do this as far as I'm concerned at the online based jew marketplaces like B&H or Adorama as they don't take returns if used/opened the box after purchase
I'm pretty sure I've returned things to b&h before after using them. iirc they charged me a restocking fee, but other than that it was fine

it's doable if you're good at not leaving any traces, and I mean ANY traces.
don't use it for too long before returning it. less than 5 days is ideal.
don't do it too much, else they'll catch on.

t. done this before

>>4313740
Well the jews at B&H are on to your little scheme, and wont be having any of your jewish tricks. …i guess.

You and your jew fetish seem pretty fucking sad desu

>>4313882
Whatcha doin, rabbi?

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Zach

What is you all's opinion on getting a 12.5% ROI on $12k worth of filmmaking equipment that is 8 years old?

Anonymous

>>4313511
if you didn't make $12k over 8 years using the equipment, you should stick to kit lenses

>>4313518
>>4313511
Hava nagila!

Buy what you want and can afford, work harder to make the second one happen. If you dont turn a profit, who cares. You enjoyed yourself. That was the reward of your work.

>>4313522
the burgerkistan mind cant comprehend this


i hate the chinese but fucking hell can they make a good COB this thing has rocked my cock off every single time i've been able to use it

battery sucks though, wish they'd make the entire line v mount compatible


Shooting Delta 3200 at 1600 then developing at 3200?

I recently got some expired Delta for $10, and I have an OM10, which only goes up to 1600 ASA. What's
the best way to go about getting decent images from this. l've only ever pushed HP5, and trying to work out the logistics of shooting lower than box speed, then developing at box speed, and not being able to tell if it's pushing or pulling is making this a mindfuck. I've read and
read and understand what pushing and pulling DOES, but I guess this is hyper specific to this situation? I also
bought some expired P3200, so this would also translate to that somewhat.

>>4313486
Wow that's a great question Anon, I'm glad you asked. Sadly I don't know at all, but maybe someone in the film thread could help you! Any other questions so an entire thread didn't die for a single question?

>>4313486
pushing means you underexpose and then overdevelop to compensate
pulling is the opposite
when you push, less 'light' hits the negative (log-exposure or whatever units it is). on the density curve this is the x-axis. if you were to then develop normally, you would get a thinner negative. overdeveloping to compensate results in a denser negative.
delta 3200 has a true iso of 1000 (box speed is not always true speed), but lets say 800 because thats the closest. by shooting it at 1600, you are underexposing by 1 stop. you can then overdevelop (dev at 1600) for a comparable dense negative. however, given its expired, i would shoot it at 1600 then develop at 3200, because you may be losing a stop extra due to it being expired (losing 1 stop due to underexposure + 1 stop from expired -> develop 2 stops more)
and then you now have to figure out where you expose for on the zone system because pushing means you lose shadows faster.

>>4313486
read the datasheet you mongoloid
(It's an ISO 1000 film like the TMAX, shoot at 1600 and dev accordingly)
(dev in DD-X like everything pushed if you care about both shadow and highlight detail)
t. I only shoot HP5+ at 1600/3200 and delta at 3200/6400 it's my signature look

Why are zoomers so allergic to shooting their films at box speed?

>>4313574
>it's my signature look
please post some for future reference

>>4313578
so you could bully me online?
no

>>4313577
You shoot Delta 3200/P3200 at 1000? Be honest anon.

>>4313580
so i can steal your look, hehe

>>4313488
Lets face it, the only real threads in this god forsaken board are the recent photo and digishit ones. Only thing op killed is a gear/bait thread

>>4313604
I hope the film general and all the people in it die in a fire.

>>4313486
>meter for 1600
>develop for 1600

I did that recently with a roll of delta3200, came out fine. I will try to find a scan to post.

>>4313486
Neg film has most of its latitude/dynamic range on the highlight side. So over exposing by 1ev and developing normally usually helps the shadows and grain without blowing highlights. Sometimes anons do this on purpose. (E6 is more critical with less DR so it's important to nail exposure and shoot at box speed or just slightly over.)

That said, as other anons have pointed out its truly an ISO 1000 film designed to be pushed up to 3200. So you're not actually even over exposing it. It's expired so giving it more light is good. You might even want to shoot/develop as ISO 800 film. Or shoot as 800 and push to 1600.

>>4313627
cant afford a roll of foma? your first roll came back entirely blank?

>>4313488
People posting individual threads is how chan culture was supposed to work before that faggot moot ruined it by explicitly allowing generals and letting them take over. Oldfags remember when generals were not welcome. And they still aren’t.


Looking for inspiration for portait photography

I'm a bit of a beginner who's done mostly landscape and abstract photography, but I really want to get into portraitures. I've been meaning to do it for a while, but I don't know any of the basic rules, fundamentals, or philosophy behind it. I just wanted to ask if any anons here had any good tutorials to watch, specific books to read, highlight certain photos/examples, or any other resource I should check out to help me get a better understanding of portaits.

>>4314348
idk, I never watched anything or read any books but from my experience shooting portraits the most helpful things have been to compliment the model and never verbalize anything negative even if it's about you and the camera. Try to talk and banter, have a good time, be friendly. Bringing a bluetooth speaker for some background noise can also help things be less awkward

Scouting locations before hand is good. The more confident you seem while on the shoot the better the models respond

You can look up posing stuff for ideas but personally none of that ever sticks in my head when I'm out on the shoot and I just treat posing someone the same way I'd construct any other frame.

idk, that's all I have

>>4314348
>I don't know any of the basic rules, fundamentals, or philosophy behind it
good. take more portraits until you can see what kind of portraits you want to make, what portraits you like, and then your portraits will be like no one else's. the best way to take good photos is to take a lot.

however, I have done some work (read: about three days worth with the owner of a clothing store in a nearby city) with models and the number-one thing I remember from it was how the guy there (who'd been working in fashion for decades) kept telling the models to pose and they would just do it. it seemed like the models already knew how they wanted to look on camera so all he had to do was get them to strike their next pose when he was ready. poses in portraiture may not be what you like. I don't know. maybe you really just like plain faces.

I did learn another thing from one of my photography instructors at community college. He said you can cut off the forehead but never the eyebrows or anything below that. Next, he said you never cut anyone off at their joints; only cut them out of frame on a limb. that helps you frame extreme close-ups (cut-off at the neck), close ups (cut off beneath the shoulders) and medium shots (cut-off below the elbows and either above or below the hips). it could be a bullshit rule but it helps me make decisions so you could use it too.

Last thing, and I learnt this from another instructor: you need to take 10 000 photos to get a good one.


Stock Photos

I'm looking into selling stock photos as a side job, since it seems like a low risk form of income that, if it pays off, will be good and, if not, then I don't lose much depending on what kind of photos I'd take. I've never done this before, so I'm not very knowledgeable about this market and how to go about it. It looks like Shutterstock, Getty Images and Adobe Stock are the main websites for it, is that right? Are any of them not as big as they do seem or is there any other major website I seem to be missing? Anyways, I'm thinking of starting out through these, at least to see what happens.

Are there any general tips and words of advice I should hear before starting out? Anything goes, I'm always eager and willing to learn from people with more experiences and knowledge than me, either that they got from others, their personal experiences, etc. I feel like I'm aimless right now.

As I've mentioned, I don't see this as a carrer, it's just a way to potentially make something on the side, investing as little as I can into it, not really having deadlines or doing it full time, just a way to potentially make something from some of my photos. So, what should I really know going in?

You will make absolutely no money, no matter how good you are. You'd be lucky to sell a handful of two dollar pictures per month. Don't waste your time.<br>Also, didn't read after the first sentence

Every photo worthy of selling have already been taken decades ago


HELP

if you won't let us dream we won't let you sleep


I photograph stuff, I'll post some stuff, first photos that I like, then portraits and other stuff.

they all have borders. let's try and get over that part

>stripped exif
Tell me why I should take you seriously and not as a bad faith actor?

>>4302864
i used a piece of shit tool to resize my shit because its too big, i guess it stripped the efix.

>>4302864

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yea i shoot wide open sue me

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>>4302872
thanks! alright ill keep posting then

also, most of the stuff i did learn, it was from here. after some months and years of hanging around, it did eventually turn into something

most of the street photography is done in bucharest, landscape stuff is mostly from a trip i had in greece. amazing country

well its 3 am so ill come back tomorrow with some landscape, most of these are sony a7ii with a sony 50 1.8 btw

>>4302905
>>4302903
>>4302902
>>4302901
>>4302900
randoms or people you know? the answer will allow me to form a picture of you, because this grouping of people says something kek.

Fuji? I like the colors more than anything

third attempt to reply to this thread<br>nice shots OP

>>4302905
I would prefer this photo in BW. with camera shake or longer SS would also be nice

>>4302940
sony actually, i used a nex 5 most of my life. then i wanted a full frame and got an a7ii.
after one year, its a good choice and much better, but not life changing i think.

>>4302908
people i know

>>4302932
alright buddy

>>4302971 >>4303007
thank you!

>>4302969
kek
have some more then. this was on my nex5 + a helios 44-4

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pretty good friend of mine actually. going to meet her for a coffee right now, if stuff comes up in the thread ill get to it later

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i just started with potography and I wish I edited like you, do you have any tutorials?

>>4302864
>actually upset about stripped exif
Back to your gear thread.

>>4303049
Typical white man shit right here. Wants a hand out.

>>4303078
Of course we do, we deserve it, for dragging you all along to the present day rather than just genociding your ancestors like was normal bitd

>>4303082
Oooooo, faggot dweller thinks he did something

>>4302864
>WHERE EXIF
The photos are 800x1000. Literally instax sized on job-haver monitors. It's impossible to tell anything apart from a 5d classic like this. It's like browsing the internet circa 2010.

>>4303078
>>4303084
They let you post from jail? shit

The creepshots or "street photography" are just boring. No idea what people see in it. Maybe a contest to see who can take the zaniest creepshot.

>>4302894
>>4302899
This set is good, in an interior decor way. Some of them remind me of the generic sample photos that come packaged with americanflat's budget frames. Minimalism needs coherency and narrative to build out from the initial simplicity, like a study of 5 different parts of the same building published as a series, or it's just "neat".

>>4302903
>>4302905
Matching portrait backgrounds are a neat idea even if it was accidental. It makes them look like friends or a couple.

>>4303085
wasnt the /p/ rule to not upload more than 1000px widest size? it was etiquette around here back in like, 2018.

>>4303089
thanks man, they actually were a couple, but it's not the same building behind them, those are different.
street photography is nice imo because it's the only time i can capture something that is natural and not staged or fabricated. it just feels natural and raw

>>4303049
uhh sure why not, i just recorded a video for you but obviously i cant post the link and i forgot the workarounds to bypass it on 4chan.
i feel like i was just rambling but the basic idea is like so
-shoot raw + jpg, and you can shoot a 3x bracket like EV +0.7. this has two advantages, one of them will end up being the best base exposure, and second, if you shoot low shutter speed, one of them has a good chance of being sharper because it may have lower motion blur
-fix your exposure, make sure you have decent highlights and nice shadows/blacks, i like contrast a lot so i always pull back my shadows and pull up the blacks
-play with the colours, there are some shit trends going on so try to play with them to see what feels right
-add colours to your highlights and midtones/shadows, but make sure to keep everything natural, you may end up having too saturated colours so u can just draw back the sat/vibrance a bit
-dodge and burn + use masks, this shit rocks

post a throwaway email here and i can try sending you the video

>>4303098
>wasnt the /p/ rule to not upload more than 1000px widest size? it was etiquette around here back in like, 2018
It was always a dumb pseudo-rule. Why should the photos on /p/ be lower resolution than the porn on /b/? The guy who made it said "to reduce the blur inherent to digital cameras" (lolwut?) so I wonder if it had to do with his photos all being too blurry if they were any larger. It was also before 4k display proliferation was as thorough as it is now, but even then almost everyone could fit a 1920x1080 photo on their screen.

>-shoot raw + jpg, and you can shoot a 3x bracket like EV +0.7. this has two advantages, one of them will end up being the best base exposure, and second, if you shoot low shutter speed, one of them has a good chance of being sharper because it may have lower motion blur
I dont know about the older sony but on the newer ones, if you shoot raw, put it in highlight metering, and lock the exposure compensation at +1 every photo will end up perfectly exposed without harsh clipping or excessive noise unless you want to blow highlights, and then it goes to +3.

>>4303098
thanks a lot, I'm still not familiar with some words but I'll look them up and learn from there. I still haven't tried experimenting with highlights and midtones/shadows, I've always played around the color chart of one single layer, so that is probably why some of my edits end up too green/blue or too much on the red tone... Also only things I know for now is basically adjusting the exposure/lighting of the whole photo

photothrowaya@yahoo.com thanks a bunch bro

>>4303078
>>4303082
just sent the guy a 20 minute loom with a photoshop tutorial so yall can stop fighting.

Sugar

>>4303104

The 1000px rule was for people with slower internet connections and smaller screens, back then people were still using 4:3 for production and as main computers. It's 2024 and I think that rule needs to be updated for FHD max resolution.

>>4303085
Yeah, your Mom says HI. She doesn't taste as good as your sister fyi.

Anonymous

>>4303144
My mom's dead from cancer and my sister's my dad's dog, nigguh.

hate to be that guy but what did you do for post procesing to these?

>>4303320
no worries, so i strictly use photoshop and its adobe camera raw features, which is basically lightroom i guess.

drag down shadows, and slide up blacks, desaturate all the greens in the colour calibration and add colours to highlights and shadows, and dodge and burn, i replied to another person here
or, just go to any torrent site and look up film packs and use those, i also use some but not entirely in the process.

if you paste a throwaway email here i can send u the video i sent to the other guy

>>4303376
>desaturate the greens
>i use sony
I see why they thought it was a fuji now

>>4303397
yeah idk, i have never used a camera where my photos just came out perfectly and how i wanted them. if editing didnt exist i would kill myself

>>4303098
>>4303376
right I see your previous post whoops, sorry I'm retarded, very cool photos anon

>>4303376
could you send me the vid? owo
reio2505@proton.me

>>4302839
Love those BW photos you have on Instagram where you're playing with geometric patterns. You definitely should be getting more traction. P.S. fuck them cars ;)

>>4303461
>>4303507
thanks!!

>>4303570
uhh, mih.?? thank you as well, that type of photography is where i feel most comfortable desu, and fuck them cars

>>4303644
thanks man! was planning on visiting budapesta this year, would love to take some photos there

>>4303646
Yup, I had to do a double take when I saw your photos on the first page lmaoo. Good shit bro, love your portraiture especially but I may be biased.

>>4303652
what a crazy coincidence wow, your stuff is the bomb man, thanks

>>4302839
>>4302840
>>4302841
Unf imagine how big "her" peener must be.

>>4303752
Imagine being this addicted to porn

Do you publish these/make content of sorts?

>>4303768
i dont make any sort of content, but i have an instagram page i opened around 2016 to post my photos
also sold a few prints to some friends who wanted them, but that's about it

>>4302842
I adore the depth in this one. Will you drop the exif for it? Praying you're still checking the thread Romanianbro

Randomer

Very nice photos...i really like the framed ones and the silhouette ones.Id love to post some of mines too!

Anonymous

>>4307585
sure man, here you go!
i just shoot a 50mm 1.8, nothing fancy. i also have a couple other manual lenses with adapters, a 35, 135, a helios, but rarely use them

>>4304645
>>4304824
>>4307731
yeah boyyy, thank you! sure man go ahead and post some

sidenote, i did go on a small trip and may have some photos. this weekend i'll visit bulgaria, so i'll probably come back with some landscape photos on a /rpt/

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>>4302902
She wasn't even Asian or anything but I always had to look twice dude fuuuuck

>>4302886
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>>4302903
these really spoke to me
great pics OP

>>4311832
why did you date an ugly woman?

>>4311832
>>4311896
OP here, i went through two breakups in the past 6 months, it gets really tough but it gets way better.
it's normal to feel bad about these things, but don't carry them with you too much, im way better now, you will be too :)

>>4312007
thank you so much! they're so different too, i like taking different styles of photos.

also, im posting a photo i took from a recent trip, i may post more tonight if i have time to edit.

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>>4312015
You have an insane eye for color editing, I thought those were film and i'm not easy to fool. Your pictures are super sharp and well exposed. This is impressive stuff anon. But on the other hand, your compositions and subjects are very mundane.

Best:
>>4302874
nicely dynamic with those guys leaving and great texture especially the bottom part
>>4302905
nice color work, nice details of the face and intense eyes, exposition is spot on in an environment that seems dark
>>4302887
fun composition, bonus points for creativity

worst:
>>4303023
awful colors (for your level anyway...), boring, soft
>>4302890
this is like the bad version of the other pic with nothing interesting whatsoever. All your black and white stuff is really weak except the one I pointed out, especially compared to what you do with colors. B&W makes your weaknesses glaring, there is a lack of storytelling, originality, and impact of the subject.
>>4302846
you have a couple snapshits like this with nothing interesting really. No clear subject, no story, too much details, inexpressive faces, nothing original

As I wrote you have some serious editing skills especially for colors and you are also good at exposure and focusing on the right place. But you are lacking in term of creativity. Most of those photos I have already seen, looks like random instagram feed. You should try to capture more things that only you see. Try to play with interesting textures and storytelling. Have a project that shows something over a series.

>>4312139
OP here, this is a really great, thought out reply, and thank you for the compliments where they were due.

i definitely agree with your criticism, that one pic really is similar to the other silhouette photo, but nearly not as good, in a way i was trying to recreate it, but it didnt come out as i wished
i'd also say some of my photos just arent that good, like this one you mentioned >>4302846, its a "boring" photo in a traditional sense, though i will admit i just like the mood of it

in terms of capturing things that "only i see", i definitely try and do that, ive pretty much tried every type of photogaphy, but i keep resonating with minimalism and architecture, i just really like shapes, and in my circle, friends are mostly doing street, so i feel like i am focusing on stuff that i like the most and kinda play with that style.
i've also started just absolutely loving shadows, doesnt matter what type of photography, im posting this from my last trip as well

>>4312190
i don't use or browse reddit, but i have been on 4chan for about 10 years baka desu senpai

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>>4312015
2 breakups in 6 months tells me alot about you

>>4312230
alright freud ill bite. broke up with the first because she started being rude and didn't remember what she was saying. she got an autism diagnosis during our relationship so it did make sense but still.
second one we broke it off amicably because she was disabled and we couldn't make it work. so what's that say about me?

also more pics

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>>4312235
Sounds like you only date cripples and retards

>>4312249
i also dated a software engineer for chipsets and a drug addict before that so idk. we did some amphetamines and then she started crying and thought i wanted to traffic her for sex work.
she apologized the next day we cool now but we don't talk anymore

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last one for now, i dont like the photos i took on the trip that much, if everything goes well this weekend, i should have some pics of bulgaria mountainside around monday

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>>4312210
To express it in other words I think you should add something a little fucked up and personnal to your style if you want to go next level. This is too smooth for my tastes. But of course you're doing pretty good already and the point at the end of the day is to enjoy your craft.

>>4312364
theres some fucked up weirdos in bucharest but they are the last people id want to point a camera at

>>4303098
>i cant post the link and i forgot the workarounds to bypass it on 4chan
Just upload it to catbox

>>4312235
>she was disabled and we couldn't make it work
Was her cunt disabled or what?

>>4312439
cardiac arrest at birth and in a wheelchair since birth. did physiotherapy and was able to start walking at 8 years old, but even 17 years after the walking, she has a walking disability still.

the sex was actually amazing, she was an amazing person too, i loved her but some things were harder to do together as she couldnt walk for very long, i like to go out all the time and it wasnt really working for me unfortunately

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>>4312467
>girlfriend is a vegetable
>the sex was GREAT
Do you creep incels really?

>>4312268
where in Bulgaria? if you're leaving valuables in your car hide them well
you have a lot of cool pics here

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>>4312472
bro she lived alone, she is independent and can do pretty much what you or i could do, just like, slower and she just walks weird, dumbass.
but it's still a disability.

>>4312474
im not sure where, ive never been, but it's going to be in pic attached, we're visiting 3+ locations
it looks really cool and if i get even like, 5 really good photos then ill be satisfied; thank you as well!

>>4312474
>>4312476
regarding this, ill have a 50mm on me and a manual 35mm, i may switch between them if i want some closeups for whatever reason.

i also have a 135mm but i genuinely dont know where that could help me in the pics i usually take

>>4312467
>cardiac arrest at birth
What impact did that have?

>>4312489
she died (i think two times as well) and they had to resuscitate her as a baby. in the time that she died, she had internal bleeding that went to her brain and it caused brain lesions, thats why she couldnt walk

OP is there a punk scene in Romania? Are you part of that scene, if so?

>>4312516
i dont know of any punk scenes. theres a ROminimal scene for techno you can check out, ive been to some events.

bunch of people here are somewhat similar to the punk movement, anti establishment hate government etc but i dont know of any shows or stuff like that.

>>4312520
do you ever shoot portraits at events like that?

>>4312521
hmm no, have never shot at any type of event ever
also, techno will sometimes have people doing drugs or under the influence of various things, me included occasionally, im not sure how happy they'd be if i were to take photos
but it is something i was thinking of, just visit a club or something and tell them i can take photos during the night for free, but i dont have a plan further than that

>>4312522
>but it is something i was thinking of
I'm a /gd/fag and I'm working on a magazine (very small thing, probably a one-off that will be seen by like 10 people)
if you ever end up doing it, I would unironically pay for portraits of people fitting that
>similar to the punk movement, anti establishment hate government etc
aesthetic to put in it
would you be interested in that?

>>4312525
maybe, it sounds interesting, if anything were to come up;

BLULsnYW@protonmail.com

>>4312527
right on, I'll leave a throwaway email if you want more details
it's basically a student project so not something serious by any means, I'm mostly just doing it to have something different to throw in my portfolio

Anonymous

>>4312531
>throwaway email
>@protonmail.com
>not proton.me
yeah whatever you say

>>4312536
ok it's not literally a throwaway but it's not an email I use normally

>romanian or some similar Eastern Europe shithole
>degenerate druggie
>fucks (abuses) cripples
>associates with really gay looking people
Oh yeah, it’s real gypsy hours

>>4312551
>fucks (abuses) cripples
It's only abuse outside of marriage.

>>4312606
>>4312551
It's not abuse period

A legal competent adult is a legal competent adult, even if they suck at walking. A very athletic and strong man with a normal woman is even more unbalanced in terms of physical ability and yet we worship the pairing.

maybe what you're really disgusted by is imperfect people still being allowed to enjoy life

>>4312616
>people still being allowed to enjoy life
You don't have to fornicate to enjoy life.

>>4312616
thanks man, you're right, guy doesnt know what hes talking about

>>4312551
we were both 25, she was perfectly capable, had a full time job, a social circle, talented and also gave kids drawing lessons on the side. full on adult, no abuse lol
my friends do look kinda gay, i do too, ill give you that.
>degenerate druggie
okay so what sue me. i only do drugs occasionally, when i go to tech parties, but the majority of the time i just drink

>>4312531
alright, i will let you know if i ever have anything for you, ill check with a couple friends if they know anything as well

>>4312619
yes? i didnt say we just had sex, we had a romantic relationship, its just included. just because u have a disability doesnt make you magically exempt from sex

>>4312650
>we had a romantic relationship
Is that supposed to somehow negate that it's intercourse outside of wedlock?

>just because u have a disability doesnt make you magically exempt from sex
Nor should it.
Every capable man and woman is worthy of sexual pleasure and gratification from their spouse, should they so desire it.

>>4312655
i thought trolling was against the rules outside /b/

>>4312675
>Promoting the teachings of Christ is "trolling"
It's no wonder society's the way it is.

>>4312139
>You have an insane eye for color editing, I thought those were film and i'm not easy to fool
So what fooled you, the extremely linear clipped highlights, the digital sharpness or the non existent grain? Fucking idiot

>>4312712
hi op here, its true i dont use grain at all in my photos, maybe like 5 out of 100 photos, and i havent shot enough film to distinguish whatever "digital sharpness" is, so i mostly agree with you
but can u show me like 3 examples of what you mean by clipped highlights?

>>4312619
>>4312655
>>4312694
All christians are necessarily evil because their god is a malevolent entity, a lesser demon found in a desert cave. The real god does not need to write books and raise armies. That is the behavior of a mortal spirit. Simple as.

>>4314291
I use them to help control the context of my image on websites where I otherwise can't control the color of the background it's displayed on. It also serves to reduce the image quality for anyone who might want to download it and re-share it.

But mostly it's necessary on instagram, who will not let you post 2:3 ratio images, so I use the borders to make my image 1:1, which the site will accept

>>4314304
No one's going to steal your pictures lol

>I use them to help control the context of my image on websites where I otherwise can't control the color of the background it's displayed on.
Stupid
>It also serves to reduce the image quality for anyone who might want to download it and re-share it.
Beyond stupid
>But mostly it's necessary on instagram, who will not let you post 2:3 ratio images, so I use the borders to make my image 1:1, which the site will accept
Valid. Why didn't you just say this?

>>4314321
because it's all true. Also try putting a border around an image and change the color a couple times, see how it effects your impression of the image. It's less stupid than you think.

White borders make your photos look better. It's as simple as that.

>>4314291
op here, i just had issues with instagram cropping some of my images at times, and i extend my image to 4:5 and add borders
also, it looks nice, it further frames photos so idk

>>4314326
this famalam

also ive downloaded all the photos from the weekend trip, i have around ~1000 when excluding that i shot in 3 photo brackets for EV, ive just edited the first one

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>>4314371
also, i obviously did not shoot at f/1.0, this is on a manual porst 35mm 2.8, so the camera doesn't recognize the aperture

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some of these are coming in quite nice imo

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If you do not have a CCD DSLR yet, BUY ONE NOW. Prices are going through the roof before this time next year
>Nikon D200, D70
>Pentax K10D (best)
>Canon Rebel T6i
>Sony A390 & A290
>Etc
These cameras are absolutely unique and look more like film than any preset you can slap ontop of your fooljiflam raws or NIGGOR snapshits. Zoomers are going to catch on soon. These cameras are still <$100 with kit lens, and other lenses for them are dirt cheap, tack sharp, indestructible screw drive lenses. GET ONE NOW, or miss out and cope with paying $300 for a K10D!

>>4314036
Instructions unclear, bought canon 1dsii.

>>4314036
You forgot the canon 1D.
Agreed, lots of hype around CCD the past 5+ years.

>>4314036
I don't usually likes DSLRs but I love my pentax ISTD like you wouldn't believe it.

>>4314036
>Rebel T6i
>any Digital Rebel, for that matter
>CCD
Huh?

>>4314036
They're okay... I wouldn't pay more than like a hundred bucks for one.

>Indestructible
Absolutely not

>Unique
Absolutely

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>>4314036
>Pentax K10D (best)
Too bad the AF is atrocious. Hated it

>>4314036
Seconding the D70/s though the sensors and cf card slot tend to shit out (pathetic reliability after a mere 20 years)
global shutter + ccd + af motor, let me guess, you need more?

>>4314079
The d200 is more long lived. They’re not weather sealed any more but the 5-10 years the seals work for spare the camera a lot of wear just from dust, ambient moisture, and slowing down temperature changes

>>4314096
i think this explains why fuji card slots and sensors die within a decade and every a7riii out there has at least one dead port now
no weather sealing

You have to buy cameras when they are "out of date trash" not when they are "future collector's items" or "confirmed classics."

They just have bad DR. Bad DR = nice tone mapping by default. Increase contrast and tweak exposure for the same results. Sensor "colors" have been debunked, all sensors are B&W. Deeper shadows (caused by better tone mapping) give a "saturated" look.

>>4314121
This. I used these cameras when they were new. They were not, and are not, magic or capable of giving better color. They’re completely decent cameras, aside from being obsolete and low resolution. I really think the D700 was the first perfect FF SLR Nikon made. It runs circles around D200s and D300s.

How are the digital lenses for these old Pentax DSLRs? Or shall I just stick with my old manual lenses?

>>4314355
All pentax lenses are just rebadged Scamrons

>Zoomers are going to catch on soon
zoomers (including myself) don't want big chunky inconvenient dslrs. i don't think these are going to inflate that heavy in price.

>>4314096
Yeah I might upgrade once my current D70 dies, but idk if the 10.2 MP is worth it for the extra processing time required